Rex Hudler Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 The Winter Meetings have not even arrived yet and everyone is freaking out and speaking of doom and gloom for this season. Yes, losing Colon was a blow, but there are still many other ways a team can be put together. Granted, the Sox do not have the margin for error like the Yankees or the Red Sox and they will need their players to perform as expected or better, but many other teams are in the same boat. Just because this team is not coming together the way everyone would have liked, doesn't mean it can't or won't win games. Sometimes things aren't easy. Many things are unpredictable. Players exceed expectations (Loaiza), they perform worse than expected (most of the Sox team in the 1st half in 2003) and some get hurt. Last year should have taught us that a team that looks great on paper will not always win on the field. So why not, be patient, let things develop and see what happens? And root for the Sox in the process, rather than predicting the end of the world. Perhaps this is too rational an approach for many here, but it was just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 The Problem is Rex, I have no faith in this Org. I just hope the Winter Meetings don't leave us sad and empty again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 The Problem is Rex, I have no faith in this Org. I just hope the Winter Meetings don't leave us sad and empty again I think gauging everything by what happens in New Orleans will be reacting too soon, as well. Remember the Colon deal didn't go down until January last year either. Josh, I guess my advice is relax, have a beer and wait it out. Hell, faith may not be necessary. We might just get lucky! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think gauging everything by what happens in New Orleans will be reacting too soon, as well. Remember the Colon deal didn't go down until January last year either. Josh, I guess my advice is relax, have a beer and wait it out. Hell, faith may not be necessary. We might just get lucky! LOL I hope soo Rex!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think gauging everything by what happens in New Orleans will be reacting too soon, as well. Remember the Colon deal didn't go down until January last year either. Josh, I guess my advice is relax, have a beer and wait it out. Hell, faith may not be necessary. We might just get lucky! LOL It would be a lot easier to relax and ignore the offseason if we had any GOD DAMNED HOCKEY TO WATCH!!!!! ( Sorry, I just have to try and tuck in a SlackHawks slam wherever the opening appears... ) :fyou Bill Worst!!!! PS - I agree, it's too soon to get too depressed - there are a lot of non-tenders and other free agents out there, and the Sox WILL make some moves. Whether or not they're the right moves will ONLY be played out on the field next summer. The inactivity is nerve-wracking, but there's lots of time to see something happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am resigned that the Sox will not re-sign (paraphrasing here) any big names that we had hoped for. I wanted Bart Colon back in the worse way, but that cap we have on signing pitchers might be right. 4-years for a pitcher is a risk especially one like Colon where physical issues with him continue to be the rumor. I still hold out some hope we might get him back. Being shut out on all our free agents is a sad thing especially with the number of prospects we gave up. However, there is still the possibility of some trading and we do have youngsters waiting in the wings. We might get lucky and see the young talent playing to their highest level and having fun while winning the pennant. We have to stay positive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsoxs1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 We all new going into the the off season that KW was not going to sign any free agents because of the budget. Have faith in KW he has pulled the trigger before. No one even though we were going to get Colon last year until KW pulled the trigger. Be patient KW will do his job. Plus KC and Min have not done anything to get better, espically since Min lost Hawkins and is close to losing EddieG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am resigned that the Sox will not re-sign (paraphrasing here) any big names that we had hoped for. I wanted Bart Colon back in the worse way, but that cap we have on signing pitchers might be right. 4-years for a pitcher is a risk especially one like Colon where physical issues with him continue to be the rumor. I still hold out some hope we might get him back. Being shut out on all our free agents is a sad thing especially with the number of prospects we gave up. However, there is still the possibility of some trading and we do have youngsters waiting in the wings. We might get lucky and see the young talent playing to their highest level and having fun while winning the pennant. We have to stay positive... Keep in mind that we got the big name we wanted last year and everything looked great going into the season and that didn't work. Perhaps going into the season in a bit more low-key a manner will work instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 The Winter Meetings have not even arrived yet and everyone is freaking out and speaking of doom and gloom for this season. Yes, losing Colon was a blow, but there are still many other ways a team can be put together. Granted, the Sox do not have the margin for error like the Yankees or the Red Sox and they will need their players to perform as expected or better, but many other teams are in the same boat. Just because this team is not coming together the way everyone would have liked, doesn't mean it can't or won't win games. Sometimes things aren't easy. Many things are unpredictable. Players exceed expectations (Loaiza), they perform worse than expected (most of the Sox team in the 1st half in 2003) and some get hurt. Last year should have taught us that a team that looks great on paper will not always win on the field. So why not, be patient, let things develop and see what happens? And root for the Sox in the process, rather than predicting the end of the world. Perhaps this is too rational an approach for many here, but it was just a thought. We have lost key players at many positions, AND we have watched other potential targets go off to be signed or traded elsewhere. With the holes that now exsist on this team, this is going to make KW more and more desparate to make a move just to fix the big problems, and give up too much to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick03 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 It would be a lot easier to relax and ignore the offseason if we had any GOD DAMNED HOCKEY TO WATCH!!!!! ( Sorry, I just have to try and tuck in a SlackHawks slam wherever the opening appears... ) :fyou Bill Worst!!!! PS - I agree, it's too soon to get too depressed - there are a lot of non-tenders and other free agents out there, and the Sox WILL make some moves. Whether or not they're the right moves will ONLY be played out on the field next summer. The inactivity is nerve-wracking, but there's lots of time to see something happen. tell me about it...this has been the longest post sox season ever...the hawks suck, the bulls suck, im ready for baseball already, and im a huge hockey fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 tell me about it...this has been the longest post sox season ever...the hawks suck, the bulls suck, im ready for baseball already, and im a huge hockey fan Rex I agree that other things can happen, as you pointed out though we cannot make mistakes with our money and or trades. I think we continue to make mistakes which is why getting Colon and or Alomar signed would be solidifying. It would provide stability to a new manager, provide a veteran presence and provide defense and pitching to a team that really had needed that the past few years. I am leary of how we spend our money in the point that it handcuffs us. We overpay the wrong people and trade for people we cannot sign.A rent aplayer here and there is nice but really the sox "rented" alot of their key players. It seems we are content to stay in the middle of rebuilding or solidifying. We have not picked one or the other. We are damn lucky this division sucks. In addition it appears that Maggs might be gone by this time next year. All of this adds up to doubt, and Rex I pony up alot of cash in order to deal with doubt. That is disturbing to me. I truly believe many older whitesox fans feel the same. Unlike the North Side where they go to games for several different reasons, sox fans remain passionate about Baseball, there players, and the opportunity. When the opportunity dissapears or we dog down the team to the talent level of the division, then fans realize the committment might not be the same as what we expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Ill start acting with gloom and doom half way through the season if the Sox are in last place, although probably even then I will be thinking about how we can trade for some prospects who will make us a better team. I like the White Sox when they are the last place team and when they are in first. I can remember as a kid Dan Pasqua hitting home runs, and he was one of my favorite players eventhough at the time he probably was not nationally recognized. Although I think I had one of those figurines so who knows. But the truth is the White Sox give me something to do, something to read about, something to watch on tv. They give me good moments even in bad seasons, they give me a playoff race when every game is a must win, and in the end I just watch them because they are my team for better or for worse. "To us it has to make sense," he said. "We're not going to go out and overpay for mediocrity." Right now the trade prices are to high, LA wants Lee for Perez. That would be pointless for the Sox, because Lee is a good value monitarily and has improved drastically since last year. Perez is a guy that the Dodgers just want to get rid of, and they are expecting teams to throw out top of the line CHEAP players. They dont seem to get that teams will take Perez if LA takes on salary, not because they are so hot on Perez they actually want to trade for him. I think now that Colon did not sign the reality is the White Sox may not do much in the offseason besides sign: 1) Top of the line reliver. 2) A few cheap starting pitchers who they think could be another Loaiza and have them compete at spring training. 3) Probably look for a bargain at 2nd and CF. But who knows, I just am happy the Sox are not doing all these knee jerk trades, last year Konerko would of been considered much more valuable then Sexson, its not like Sexson is this outstanding defensive player or super fast. The Dodgers and Diamondbacks were willing to pay through the teeth for Sexson, and it is possible Konerko moving to the NL could make him as devastating as Sexson. I just am tired of all this doom talk. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 What I think we need is a trade or two like the ones that brought Pete Ward, Ron Hansen and Hoyt Wilhelm and/or the one for Tommie Agee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I'm not about to start worrying yet. I wouldn't be surprised if KW doesn't want to pull the trigger on any deals in fear of getting burned again. If we gotta go into 2004 with what we got; so be it. Outside of Valentin, we didn't add too much in 2000 and we got 95 wins out of the deal. It's gonna be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 I am leary of how we spend our money in the point that it handcuffs us. We overpay the wrong people and trade for people we cannot sign.A rent aplayer here and there is nice but really the sox "rented" alot of their key players. You made a different point I have been trying to make elsewhere with that statement. I believe a $60 million payroll is reasonable given many factors. It is how it is spent that causes problems. Throwing more money at the problem doesn't fix it, it only allows you to make the problem bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 One thing the Sox are going to need next season: Contributions from several of these players -- Rowand, Harris, Olivo (who is sick and has dropped out of winter ball because of pneumonia), Rauch, Ginter, Wright, Borchard, Reed, Munox, Sanders and Stewart. Got to have some of the young guys deliver, especially the pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I think people are just really pissed off right now b/c it doesn't look like we're gonna upgrade our pitching staff. We just lost Colon and Sully, and Sully went to the worst possible team for us that he could have gone to, the Royals. Plus, to worsen the fact that we lost Colon and Sully, we haven't made one addition to our pitching staff. So, while the Twins and Royals (especially) have kept some of their unrestricted free agents, we haven't kept any of ours. I still hope that we sign or make a trade for a big name starter and reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Rex I agree that other things can happen, as you pointed out though we cannot make mistakes with our money and or trades. I think we continue to make mistakes which is why getting Colon and or Alomar signed would be solidifying. It would provide stability to a new manager, provide a veteran presence and provide defense and pitching to a team that really had needed that the past few years. I am leary of how we spend our money in the point that it handcuffs us. We overpay the wrong people and trade for people we cannot sign.A rent aplayer here and there is nice but really the sox "rented" alot of their key players. It seems we are content to stay in the middle of rebuilding or solidifying. We have not picked one or the other. We are damn lucky this division sucks. In addition it appears that Maggs might be gone by this time next year. All of this adds up to doubt, and Rex I pony up alot of cash in order to deal with doubt. That is disturbing to me. I truly believe many older whitesox fans feel the same. Unlike the North Side where they go to games for several different reasons, sox fans remain passionate about Baseball, there players, and the opportunity. When the opportunity dissapears or we dog down the team to the talent level of the division, then fans realize the committment might not be the same as what we expect. Signing Colon for what he agreed to in Anahiem, and signing Alomar to a two year $6million deal would have been overpaying and mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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