Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Everything I've read hints that the Angels won't be keeping him and they will likely non-tender him on the 20th. He is young, plays solid defense, is a left handed hitter and has put up quite a few solid numbers. Last year was a bit down for him, but he still had a .344 OBP and he has some pop and the year before in the 2nd half of the season he hit like .350 or some ridiculous number like that. Since he's not on the market till the 20th, it gives the Sox time to clear some payroll. He posted a .743 OPS last year and a .794 OPS the year before. I'd say the Sox should go with either Kennedy or Spivey. Both shouldn't cost a lot and are very productive players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I'd rather have Spivey, problem is he is a righty. What about Eckstein? There was alot of talk about him being gone too some months ago. I would not be against Kennedy, he is better than what we have. I think his 2002 season was a fluke though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 I don't like Eckstein, not a big fan of his. Never really have been. He grossly overachieved that one year, but he's a really weak hitter. I'd much rather have Willie Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Everything I've read hints that the Angels won't be keeping him and they will likely non-tender him on the 20th. He is young, plays solid defense, is a left handed hitter and has put up quite a few solid numbers. Last year was a bit down for him, but he still had a .344 OBP and he has some pop and the year before in the 2nd half of the season he hit like .350 or some ridiculous number like that. Since he's not on the market till the 20th, it gives the Sox time to clear some payroll. He posted a .743 OPS last year and a .794 OPS the year before. I'd say the Sox should go with either Kennedy or Spivey. Both shouldn't cost a lot and are very productive players. Jason, Kennedy would be a good pickup. Here's a couple of moves that would make me happy... Sox Sign non-tenders Adam Kennedy and Freddy Garcia Trade Paul Konerko to LA for Perez Sign Scott Spiezio as a Free Agent And thinking about a couple of things this morning i came up with this... Sox let scott Sullivan go cause the David Weathers/ Koch trade still could be lurking, Weathers and Sullivan are Similar Pitchers. Too the Sox probably want Jon Rauch to make the team somehow and it will probably be in the Pen since Rauch is out of Options. I wonder if Pacheco could Close. Or I would consider signing Armando Benitez. His arm is there, and maybe Ozzie as a fellow Latino could help him cause his problem is his coconut not his arm. Now we need another Pen Arm, Arthur Rhodes would be nice. Now Remember Mark B sould come back to form so sould Garcia, Garland sould finally Break Out. Perez would be normal and Loaiza i expect to come back to earth some but still will be efective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 I think the Sox will bring in one player that was an experienced closer if they can move Koch, until then I think they will kind of sit back. That being said, Koch for Weathers will happen in my opinion. And it will be a solid move for both teams. Mets think they can fix him, so go for it and the Sox get a guy that pitches in a lot of games and is very very solid as well as durable. I'd love to add Weathers and then pick up Benitez and Rhodes. Doubt it would happen, but that would be about 8-9 mill between the 3 players which would be a huge upgrade to paying Koch 6-7 mill. The big thing is the Sox are somehow going to have to clear some salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I think the Sox will bring in one player that was an experienced closer if they can move Koch, until then I think they will kind of sit back. That being said, Koch for Weathers will happen in my opinion. And it will be a solid move for both teams. Mets think they can fix him, so go for it and the Sox get a guy that pitches in a lot of games and is very very solid as well as durable. I'd love to add Weathers and then pick up Benitez and Rhodes. Doubt it would happen, but that would be about 8-9 mill between the 3 players which would be a huge upgrade to paying Koch 6-7 mill. The big thing is the Sox are somehow going to have to clear some salary. Wouldn't something like 16-18 Mil be droped if we trade Konerko and Koch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Wouldn't something like 16-18 Mil be droped if we trade Konerko and Koch? About $14 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Wouldn't something like 16-18 Mil be droped if we trade Konerko and Koch? Yep. But if they got Weathers they would save roughly 4 mill as he's due a little over 3 mill this year. But just check out his stats, since 2000 he's been fantastic. Last year he was 1-6 with 7 svs and a 3.08 ERA. Best of all he pitched in 77 games and threw 87.2 innings. Now thats a horse. So if they were able to do the Konerko for Perez and Koch for weathers deal they would save roughly 7 million but they'd also have Perez and Weathers. Of course they would probably have to pick up some salary, but if they did that, they could still save overall 3-4 mill which is enough to add 1-2 good relievers...thats basically 2 relievers at 2 mill a year each, which should get you some talent. Then if they move Magglio, you have money for another starter and to fill your other needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Or they could do all those things and instead of dealing Magglio, trade for Washburn which would save them roughly another 3-4 mill which should be enough to get you a replacement for Carlos Lee. So basically moving Lee, Koch and Konerko you could get Washburn, Perez, and Weathers, plus 10-11 mill to bring in two more relievers (4-5 mill), a replacement for Lee (2-4 mill), and a 2nd and 1st baseman (This is where it gets tough..but if they could move Jose, then they'd have luxuries here otherwise they could just let Harris play 2nd, go with Reed and spend the money left-over on someone like Fullmer (I'd rather have him then Spiezo in this sitaution because he's a far far far superior hitter). This leaves you with this: Buehrle Loaiza Washburn Garland Perez Bullpen Weathers Benitez (2-2.5) Rhodes (2.5) Marte Wright Munoz/Sanders/Majewski/Rauch Thats a hell of a rotation and a very very strong bullpen. You don't necessarily have a set closer, but all 4 guys have some experience closing. The Sox would also non tender Scho, which would save some money. Lineup Harris/Spivey (if you could acquire him to play 2nd...depends on financial constraints) Jay Payton/Juan Encarnacion - lf Magglio Ordonez - rf Frank Thomas - Dh/1st Brad Fullmer - 1st/dh (1-2 mill) Joe Crede - 3rd Jose Valentin - ss (unless you could deal him) Jeremy Reed/Joe Borchard/Aaron Rowand (if you get Spivey then enter Harris into this picture) Miguel Olivo - c The lineup is balanced and the only real weaknesses would be the top of the order if you have to depend on Willie; as well as your cf and catcher in Olivo, but they are strong everywhere else. If the Sox could get someone like Randy Wynn to handle the leadoff duties then I'd say use Harris in the 2 hole and shift everyone else down in the lineup a bit or keep payton in the 2 hole and shift Harris to the 9 hole with Rowand as your 4th outfielder. This means you only have 2 weaknesses, 2nd and catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Yep. But if they got Weathers they would save roughly 4 mill as he's due a little over 3 mill this year. But just check out his stats, since 2000 he's been fantastic. Last year he was 1-6 with 7 svs and a 3.08 ERA. Best of all he pitched in 77 games and threw 87.2 innings. Now thats a horse. So if they were able to do the Konerko for Perez and Koch for weathers deal they would save roughly 7 million but they'd also have Perez and Weathers. Of course they would probably have to pick up some salary, but if they did that, they could still save overall 3-4 mill which is enough to add 1-2 good relievers...thats basically 2 relievers at 2 mill a year each, which should get you some talent. Then if they move Magglio, you have money for another starter and to fill your other needs. Yeah I posted his stats for someone here who said he was a Cub "Reject" and why would we want him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInBoston Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Eckstein or Kennedy are rumored to be part of the supposed Washburn/Nomah trade. Seems like this stupid blockbuster trade is holding everything up. Wish the Red Sox would just do something so we don't have to sit here and wait for stuff to go down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I'm not a big fan of Benitez. Rhodes is solid, but what about Wunsch? He hasn't been the best reliever, but I think at this point I'd rather have him knowing what he's going to do as opposed to hoping Rhodes goes back to his old form. Would have both of them, I guess and have a bullpen as follows: Marte Benitez Rhodes Weathers Wunsch Wright that would give you two power pitchers, from the right and left side, and two soft-throwers like Wunsch and Weathers, to go with Marte and Wright. Not bad. The Konerko for Perez most likely won't happen, unless the Sox throw in someone else or eat up some of Konerko's salary. That trade, along with the signing of Garcia and Kennedy and Spezio, although unlikely, makes sense and would make a solid team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 I'd let Wunsch go simply because you are already spending good money and have 4 quality relievers, plus Wright and then one of the youngsters gets a shot. This would save the Sox roughly 750k because Wunsch would then get non-tendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I wouldn't mind that idea simply because it opens up a spot for a young guy, which I think should be done every season, like a cycle. How much would Rhodes cost though? If he's looking for more than a $1 mil, Wunsch would be a better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Brad Fullmer signed with the Rangers reporting espn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 I wouldn't mind that idea simply because it opens up a spot for a young guy, which I think should be done every season, like a cycle. How much would Rhodes cost though? If he's looking for more than a $1 mil, Wunsch would be a better choice. BIg difference, Rhodes has closer experience, great stuff and can pitch to both lefties and rigthies. Wunsch is a situational guy while Rhodes is a guy that you can use at all parts of a game, including the end of it. He also is a pretty good strikeout reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 BIg difference, Rhodes has closer experience, great stuff and can pitch to both lefties and rigthies. Wunsch is a situational guy while Rhodes is a guy that you can use at all parts of a game, including the end of it. He also is a pretty good strikeout reliever. Wunsch would have some value on the trade market as well. I'm sure Florida could use a guy to come in and face the likes of Thome, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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