Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 well if you put it that way urbana maybe we can try this again.........sorry for the fbombs but geez us who cares about colon anyhow....im sick of hearning about it actually....so sick that i hope samme breaks a fingernail soon so they can talk about that instead lol...........as for you molto 2000???? fluke???? akkkkkkkk dont even get me f***in started on that one ok........it wasnt a fluke.. kw was handed a winner which only needed a tweek here or there and we would have owned this division ever since.......and dont deny that one cause everyone else in this division sucked and was going through revamp... but no kw couldnt leave well enough alone......had to have things his total way.. and then look hell we had a hard enough time with cleveland minus their hot hitters... not to mention that the twins came out of no f***ing where and kicked our asses each and every time.......that didnt happen in 2000......thanks to kw he destroyed the heart, fun, soul, and chemistry which took that 2000 team to the top........ and we havent had any of it back since..........untill we do we arent going anywhere..........count on it......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 it isn't about stick our heads out of his asses. I know the mistakes KW has made, I, nor anyone here is really glorifying him. when KW makes a bad move, I say it, when it's a good move, I say it. but you are just complaining about the bad and complaining about the good ones. listen HSC, your anger for the Sox is valid. KW hasn't been the best GM, but I think you are WAY off when you say KW ruined the team of 2000, especially when that team went into the season with the expectaions of winning 80-85 games TOPS. they won 10 more games than they themselves thought. Their offense was great, but very inconsistent and lucky. Their staff was solid, but had two bad arms in Parque and Eldred. Their bullpen was awsome, but went to s*** the year after because most of the guys wore out their arms in 2000. 2001 was filled with 6-7 pitching injuries and a Thomas injury, not his fault. and 2002 consisted of the Ritchie trade (which I liked) but in the end turned out to be horrible. but do you think we would've been much better with Wells and Fogg? the only reason Fogg pitched good (IN THE FIRST HALF) was because the Pirates had no other plans for the rotaion. Fogg wasn't going to start in 2002. and Wells, although talented, never got comfortable here. Now people will bring up the Baldwin and Durham trades, but this those two really set this organization back from the 2000 team? the 2000 was VERY LUCKY HSC, KW didn't destroy anything. He didn't help the cause completely, but he didn't dismantle it by a long shot. god I'm tired, this post may not have even made any sense. no way will i let KW off the hook for '01..its not like he didnt know going in the sox needed to answer rotation problems...he knew sirop was hurt..thats why he went after wells...we all know siro complained of a 'POP he heard in his shoulder and then numbing pain pitching in his final tune up before the playoffs..that was reported in all the papers..eldred had a 6 inch screw in his arm and baldwin was coming off surgery... we knew we had no 5th starter yet that distinguished themselves... kw's answer...trade the staff ace , a 15 game winner (remember kw didnt know he was hurt...riiigggghhhht) , for david wells...another 15 game winner...thats it...thats all he did for the rotation...then we wonder why we didnt repeat in '01??? KW didnt answer a glaring need staring him in the face..thats why we lost in '01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 right now the sox are the only staff in baseball with 4 - 30 start / 190 IP pitchers....this imo is huge...it saves us from burning out a suspect bullpen..add one more solid starter and id say we are a lock on the division Thats what I'm saying. Not only do we have two aces, but we have a deep rotation. People can doubt Jon and Danny, but they throw innings, which takes stress of the bullpen and over the long haul, with this offense if our pitchers are keeping us in the games we will be real good. Last season we were able to go .500 despite the fact we had Ritchie and Glover who couldn't get past the 5th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 right now the sox are the only staff in baseball with 4 - 30 start / 190 IP pitchers....this imo is huge...it saves us from burning out a suspect bullpen..add one more solid starter and id say we are a lock on the division Thats what I'm saying. Not only do we have two aces, but we have a deep rotation. People can doubt Jon and Danny, but they throw innings, which takes stress of the bullpen and over the long haul, with this offense if our pitchers are keeping us in the games we will be real good. Last season we were able to go .500 despite the fact we had Ritchie and Glover who couldn't get past the 5th inning. we are not that far off jason..but we gotta get that 5th starter if we are serious about winning..because if radke and mays get back to their '01 form then i still think the twins have a slight edge for the division...they are a little more solid defensively and have a huge home field advantage playing in that stupid dome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'm sorry to offend all you KW bashers, but I actually like the guy's approach. He sees a need and tries to fill it. Some attempts to do that have backfired on him, certainly. But, I used to get so aggravated at Schuler for NOT filling needs and hanging on to his over rated minor leaguers. I know when David Wells was acquired, the reaction was very much like today's reaction to the Colon deal. And 99% of all Sox fans thought we were Series bound. Acquiring Clayton was an attempt to fill a need that I heard so much b****ing about at WSI that I stopped going there... Valentine's 36 errors. And the Ritchie deal was also to fill a need.. though I thought with all we gave up, that we should have got Brian Giles in that deal too. The point is, he has ATTEMPTED to address needs. And that is more than I can say for the previous GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'm sorry to offend all you KW bashers, but I actually like the guy's approach. He sees a need and tries to fill it. Some attempts to do that have backfired on him, certainly. But, I used to get so aggravated at Schuler for NOT filling needs and hanging on to his over rated minor leaguers. I know when David Wells was acquired, the reaction was very much like today's reaction to the Colon deal. And 99% of all Sox fans thought we were Series bound. Acquiring Clayton was an attempt to fill a need that I heard so much b****ing about at WSI that I stopped going there... Valentine's 36 errors. And the Ritchie deal was also to fill a need.. though I thought with all we gave up, that we should have got Brian Giles in that deal too. The point is, he has ATTEMPTED to address needs. And that is more than I can say for the previous GM. our previous GM left KW with a league leading 95 win team , a 30 million dollar payroll and baseball america's number one rated farm system...sometimes the best trades are the ones you dont make... maybe the perfect GM is a cross between KW and RS??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'm sorry to offend all you KW bashers, but I actually like the guy's approach. He sees a need and tries to fill it. Some attempts to do that have backfired on him, certainly. But, I used to get so aggravated at Schuler for NOT filling needs and hanging on to his over rated minor leaguers. I know when David Wells was acquired, the reaction was very much like today's reaction to the Colon deal. And 99% of all Sox fans thought we were Series bound. Acquiring Clayton was an attempt to fill a need that I heard so much b****ing about at WSI that I stopped going there... Valentine's 36 errors. And the Ritchie deal was also to fill a need.. though I thought with all we gave up, that we should have got Brian Giles in that deal too. The point is, he has ATTEMPTED to address needs. And that is more than I can say for the previous GM. our previous GM left KW with a league leading 95 win team , a 30 million dollar payroll and baseball america's number one rated farm system...sometimes the best trades are the ones you dont make... maybe the perfect GM is a cross between KW and RS??? You may have a point there. I wasn't giving Williams a carte blanche, ringing endorsement there. But the point I'm making is that at least he is attempting to make the Sox better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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