israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I love you too, Steff!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 SuperSteve...I have forgotten more about baseball (and the SOX) then you'll ever know! What? Clearly you have forgotten an awful lot..I can tell that just by reading your posts. Bring it huh, I don't see ya as having anything to bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 SouthSide...all I'm saying is that MArk had more leverage after the Colon situation...he should have "sweated" the team a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Grow a sack, "super"steve...you sound like a cub fan...ya whiny little bastard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 SouthSide...all I'm saying is that MArk had more leverage after the Colon situation...he should have "sweated" the team a little more. And israel.. you are wrong. Mark had no leverage.. He would have NEVER been awarded $10 million in arbitration.. and had he asked for it, he would have been told to go talk a long walk off a short pier.. and the fans would have definitely sided with mgmt on that one. When they have been clear that they are NOT exceeding a $58 million payroll.. and Mark strolled in there demanding $10 million of it.. I for one would have helped him pack his s*** for St Louis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 SouthSide...all I'm saying is that MArk had more leverage after the Colon situation...he should have "sweated" the team a little more. Without being a free agent Mark Buehrle has zero leverage. Colon could (and did) sign with another team, Mark is stuck here until 2006. At worst he can make us go to arbitration for 3 straight years. Either way we could technically NEVER negotiate with him, and just submit a figure to the arbitor each year, and never have to worry about it. And there is not a damn thing Mark could do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Grow a sack, "super"steve...you sound like a cub fan...ya whiny little bastard! Yikes... did the dog piss in your Cheerios this morning..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Yikes... did the dog piss in your Cheerios this morning..? Grow a sack? Dear God...I would trash him in a second. I am clearly not a Cubs fan too. Let's see...the person who has 40 posts or 3000...which seems like the Cubs fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Grow a sack? Dear God...I would trash him in a second. I am clearly not a Cubs fan too. Let's see...the person who has 40 posts or 3000...which seems like the Cubs fan? Oh, I hate when they run off just when it is getting fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'm here Steve! Here's the deal...I know that MB couldn't be free agent for 3 years, but, the press, i.e. ESPN,WSCR, both papers are down on the Sox for losing 6 players! The press would crucify them if they pissed off Buehrle (AGAIN!). Finally, all this talk about "fiscal responsibility" is bulls***! The Sox have a responsibility to their fans first!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'm here Steve! Here's the deal...I know that MB couldn't be free agent for 3 years, but, the press, i.e. ESPN,WSCR, both papers are down on the Sox for losing 6 players! The press would crucify them if they pissed off Buehrle (AGAIN!). Finally, all this talk about "fiscal responsibility" is bulls***! The Sox have a responsibility to their fans first!!! israel... seriously, think before you type. Mark has NO leverage. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. If he asked for $10 million the fans would turn against HIM.. just like they did to Colon. Asking for that much $$ at this point, and when it's been made clear it's NOT a possibility, is selfish. And no.. their first responsibility it to their players and employees. They need to be paid first. Whatever the financial restraints.. they need to make the most of that $$. Giving Mark $10 million would be more stupid than him asking for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'm here Steve! Here's the deal...I know that MB couldn't be free agent for 3 years, but, the press, i.e. ESPN,WSCR, both papers are down on the Sox for losing 6 players! The press would crucify them if they pissed off Buehrle (AGAIN!). Finally, all this talk about "fiscal responsibility" is bulls***! The Sox have a responsibility to their fans first!!! So basically you want MB to make more money that Zito, Hudson, Mulder, and this decent pitcher from Toronto (I think his name is Halladay or something like that). While MB is trying to take that money from us, he would be hurting the team. He would also make himself look greedy, and less apealing even for his beloved Cardinals. The White Sox would not look like the bad guys in that one, MB would. He would be labeled as trying to bring the White Sox down. The deal he got is fair, and great for both sides. FYI, he has a $9 million option for 2007...his salary increases over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 The Sox are a PR nightmare. They have to compete not only with the rest of the AL, but with the sCrUBS too! (When I say I want them to be competitive, I don't mean to do enough to win their division; they should be pennant contenders EVERY year. In order to do that, in today's MLB, ya gotta spend MONEY!!! If Reinsdorf can't or won't, he needs to sell the team!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 The Sox are a PR nightmare. They have to compete not only with the rest of the AL, but with the sCrUBS too! (When I say I want them to be competitive, I don't mean to do enough to win their division; they should be pennant contenders EVERY year. In order to do that, in today's MLB, ya gotta spend MONEY!!! If Reinsdorf can't or won't, he needs to sell the team!!! I don't know about the rest of you.. but I'm done.. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 The Sox are a PR nightmare. They have to compete not only with the rest of the AL, but with the sCrUBS too! (When I say I want them to be competitive, I don't mean to do enough to win their division; they should be pennant contenders EVERY year. In order to do that, in today's MLB, ya gotta spend MONEY!!! If Reinsdorf can't or won't, he needs to sell the team!!! Do you like anything about the White Sox? Why are you even here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'll miss ya, Steff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I don't know about the rest of you.. but I'm done.. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead I'll put in a lil more time. Need something to do before practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Dude... I LOVE the Sox, but I hate ownership! Don't be a Jerry-apologist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Dude... I LOVE the Sox, but I hate ownership! Don't be a Jerry-apologist! I'm not, but you clearly feel $100 million payrolls win the WS. Well, look at the last two teams to win the WS. He gives a guy what he is worth, and ya scream for MB to get $6 million more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 When were the Sox last in the playoffs??? Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 When were the Sox last in the playoffs??? Hmmmm. 2000. What's your point? When we DO spend the big bucks we do it unwisely. I don't see how 100 million of bad contracts will help us? 60 million well spent is better than 180 or 100 million that doesn't flow together as a team or that's slumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 2000. What's your point? When we DO spend the big bucks we do it unwisely. I don't see how 100 million of bad contracts will help us? 60 million well spent is better than 180 or 100 million that doesn't flow together as a team or that's slumping. I would honestly bet he is either a troll, an ignorant fan, or a retarded kid... ...wait, I am going to go with all of the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I would honestly bet he is either a troll, an ignorant fan, or a retarded kid... ...wait, I am going to go with all of the above. Yeah, yikes, that's all I have to say about it. Just yikes. YIKES. That boy ain't right. But I mean he's right, look at it this way: 100 million dollar plus payroll did great things for the Mets last year--oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Am I the only one that understands why a team that averages 19,000 per game would have a limited budget? I really get a kick from people who b**** and moan about the White Sox not spending money, when they are consistently in the lower third in attendance. The fact is that over the past three seasons the Sox have been ranked higher in payroll than in attendance. Year Attendance rank Payroll rank 2003 21st 17th 2002 23rd 18th 2001 26th 16th So, what is there to b**** about? Maybe I should call some people making $30,000/year and demand to know why they don't buy a house going for $300,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'm not complaining--I understand the economics of it completely. And that's was sort of the underlying point of my previous point. I agree that ownership shouldn't have to go into the red to lure fans, but without a winning a team it's harder to get fans to come. It's just sort of a circular debate. But I do see your logic, Bob, and I DON'T see the Sox being a high spending team until attendence goes up. I also see how that sucks for those of us that go to games. It's tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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