Flash Tizzle Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 He'll come to Chicago... On the North Side They are looking for a LH pitcher.......and could outbid us. Though they have three great pitchers already and are looking for new players at short/catcher. Who knows how Maddux feels about the Cubs; he could of had a bad experience while pitching here or maybe he feels the small diminsions of the park could hurt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 nEVER HURT HIM IN THE PAST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 nEVER HURT HIM IN THE PAST Watch how pissed Maddux gets when a potential out at any other field turns into a home run at Wrigley. He may feel our motto of "pitching/defense" fits well with his pitching style. He's not overpowering and must rely on a good fielding team. At this point were matched with the Cubs on defense though there are still trades to be made at our behalf. He'll pray everytime a ball goes in the direction of Errormis Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Well... Good Night Flash, I'm out I 've had a little too much to drink tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Maddux is the best PITCHING COACH in baseball. He is, however, never going to be a chicago white sox. He hates the AL. and the DH. Boras is his agent. He is likely to command about $10 MIL a year. And knowing the sox there is no way it's a 2-year deal.. It would be one with a team option for two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 He is likely to command about $10 MIL a year. And knowing the sox there is no way it's a 2-year deal.. It would be one with a team option for two. At 10 million he can plant his ass in San Diego and waste away his final two years or so in the majors. If he is serious about playing for a team with an actual chance to compete he will consider the Sox (I know some of you may consider the idea of the white sox competing a joke, but compare that to San Diego; they're not going nowhere and accept it). And f*** the Cubs, Maddux hates them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Maybe he woundn't come to the Sox due to Boras and the AL. That does make sense. On the other hand, the Sox should give it a shot. They should at least investigate if it is true that Maddux wants to come to Chicago for either team. I live it Rockford IL. If the Sox sign Ponson (many think overrated), no one in Rockford but me would care or even notice. Maddux would be national news. People would make the 90 min drive to see Maddux. The game/games that Maddux was was pitching for #300 would be sold out. How much would the publicity be worth to the Sox? What if some of the casual baseball fans who come to a "Maddux" game really enjoy it and return to see the Sox? Ask around to people who are not White Sox Fanatics if they would rather see Ponson or Maddux pitch? They'd probably reply "who is Ponson?" Maddux at 2 years or one with an option would be a hell of a lot less risky than puting out big money for long contracts with Ponson or Millwood. Maddux will get 15 wins if given any run support. Maddux will bring professionalism and knowledge to the rest of the pitching staff. Is Maddux worth 10 million if he wins 15 games and helps Garland and MB both win a couple extra more than usual? Loiaza Buehrle Maddux Perez or Garcia via trade Garland Maybe it is a pipe dream. I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Someone on White Sox interactive said the Sox were close to signing Maddux to a 2-year deal. He heard this from someone on the Score who heard it from a sports beat writer in Seattle. Dunno if it's true, but it would be nice and he would fill seats in his quest for 300. Anybody else heard anything about it? All I know he would raise attendance and have a tremendous impact on Garland and Buerhle (who is like a maddux, but from the left side) Sounds more like a game of "telephone" that got out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Maybe he woundn't come to the Sox due to Boras and the AL. I know this guy can is a proclaimed asshole but does he have a personal agenda against the Sox? Seems odd we would avoid a player based solely on the relations with his agent. Maddux would be national news Thats a good point. Anybody have numbers on how many career wins he has right now? I thought i remembered hearing he is one season away from accomplishing 300 wins. Saying that he may be 15/16 from 300. Maddux will get 15 wins if given any run support What scares me about that is he only earned 15 with the Braves.....which had one of the best offenses in the ML. Which either means the Braves bailed him out of many games or slumped when he was on the mound. Loiaza Buehrle Maddux Perez or Garcia via trade Garland Solid rotation. Good enough to win the AL Central and thats where we should concentrate our trades. Im sure Kennys priority at this point is to win the Central and no worry about the playoffs until it arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Godfather, Our offensive "firepower"? Have you looked at the roster lately? Besides Maggs, Lee, and Thomas, we have THIS as our roster today - a young 3B who goes in spurts, a SS who couldn't find .250 with a map and search party, a 2B who can't break the Mendoza Line, a 1B who is a one-half wonder and fading, a C who might hit .240 if he's lucky and sells his soul to Satan, and a CF who hits rocky cliffs with his shoulder better than he hits a baseball. All that being said, besides Maggs, CLee, and Thomas, do you honestly think that we have great "firepower"? If you do, then I have some really prime oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you for a penny an acre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I get the distinct impression that some of you people think Greg Maddux is washed up. Are you out of your minds? A mediocre #3 pitcher? The dude won 16 games last year which means only 6 other pitchers in the NL won more games than him. Sounds mediocre (or avereage ) to me. Ya right. Maddux had 3 horrible starts in April of 2003. That is hardly a "bad year". From that point on he 16-8 with a ERA around 3.33 or so. Greg Maddux would be a great pickup for the Sox. Go for KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I get the distinct impression that some of you people think Greg Maddux is washed up. Are you out of your minds? A mediocre #3 pitcher? The dude won 16 games last year which means only 6 other pitchers in the NL won more games than him. Sounds mediocre (or avereage ) to me. Ya right. Maddux had 3 horrible starts in April of 2003. That is hardly a "bad year". From that point on he 16-8 with a ERA around 3.33 or so. Greg Maddux would be a great pickup for the Sox. Go for KW. He's average enough to be on my team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 He's average enough to be on my team! Thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I'd definately take Maddux if the Sox did it at the right price, which would be around 2 yr 10 mill, if you had to go 2 yrs. This guy makes everyone on the staff better, has pitched in tons of big games and is the consumate professional. I agree the Sox would then need another pitcher, but Maddux won 15 games last year and still had an ERA in the 3's. While he will likely go on the decline, he's still a very good pitcher that can bring his a game and I could see him really stepping up in clutch situations such as the playoffs (If the Sox somehow got into them) next season. The flaw is, I don't think they are close cause too many false rumors have been going around lately. I'll believe it when I see it mentioned elsewhere. I've always noticed that the Sox typically make deals and you never here anything. The only exception to that I can think of is when they got Colon, but thats simply because their was speculation for so long. But who even though Buehrle would sign or that the Sox were about to get Carl Everett and Roberto Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I agree that it's probably not going to happen. But I can't see how anyone thinks that adding Greg Maddux for a reasonable price is a bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Supposedly, our payroll is already almost capped out, so unless Maddux is willing to take a contract ladened with incentives, I don't think so. Plus, I would hope that we could do at least a little better than a broken-down, end-of-the-road Maddux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Supposedly, our payroll is already almost capped out, so unless Maddux is willing to take a contract ladened with incentives, I don't think so. Plus, I would hope that we could do at least a little better than a broken-down, end-of-the-road Maddux. As the rosters stand right now, including expected raises to the arbitration guys, I think the Sox are roughly 3 mill under the proposed budget of 58 mill. Doesn't exactly leave them with a ton of room. It may be 5 mill though, I forgot, but I read it somewhere, have no idea how valid it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 If they sign Maddux, or whoever, I'm sure they will find someway to clear some payroll. I don't see this as a stumbling block just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 If they sign Maddux, or whoever, I'm sure they will find someway to clear some payroll. I don't see this as a stumbling block just yet. I think the first moves that happen in the meetings will be the Sox clearing payroll, but for all we know they have a plan of setting the payroll at 63 mill. It would be good business sense to say a lower price cause teams see it as you having a tighter budget. None of us really know. I just think they will have to move at least one of the bats and Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I think the first moves that happen in the meetings will be the Sox clearing payroll, but for all we know they have a plan of setting the payroll at 63 mill. It would be good business sense to say a lower price cause teams see it as you having a tighter budget. None of us really know. I just think they will have to move at least one of the bats and Koch. That's more likely the scenario that will occur, but I think if they had a shot at signing Maddux, they'd take it. That may be the reason JR is in Nawlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 That's more likely the scenario that will occur, but I think if they had a shot at signing Maddux, they'd take it. That may be the reason JR is in Nawlins. According to Kevin Towers (The Padres GM) they are planning on signing a 5th starter in the winter meetings and as of now have no interest in Greg Maddux. They said in a month if Maddux is still out there, they will talk to him, but right now he's too expensive for them. That was on Mighty 1090 (Local Station in San Diego) during a live interview with Towers, who also said he feels Lofton will be elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of ANYTHING happening? I was really stoked two days ago, but not so much anymore. This isn't a pleasure trip, Kenny. Do something newsworthy. Even if it means that you scratched your sack in public. Do SOMETHING. (Sorry. I'm just itching for something to happen and getting antsy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of ANYTHING happening? I was really stoked two days ago, but not so much anymore. This isn't a pleasure trip, Kenny. Do something newsworthy. Even if it means that you scratched your sack in public. Do SOMETHING. (Sorry. I'm just itching for something to happen and getting antsy). I'm not at all frustrated. It's a long off season. There are times when it pays to hedge your bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I know, Yas, but I want something to happen NOW. Maybe I'm too much like a kid on Christmas Eve or whatever, but I just had a feeling that something great was going to happen this weekend. As a matter of fact, if the hotels in New Orleans weren't completely filled, I was going to fly down there. Instead, I'll just fly down there next month and enjoy the Bayou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I'm not at all frustrated. It's a long off season. There are times when it pays to hedge your bets. The thing to remember is, the other possible Sox GM, Dan Evans has left Dodger fans incredibly frustrated this offseason too. Other then the Angels, Yankees and Red Sox who has been incredibly agressive on the free agent front. Heck, the next most agressive team could arguably be the Kansas City Royals who have made solid moves, but the Sox could still easily outdo those moves. Either way....almost every baseball team out there is sitting on their hands right now, waiting for players to get non tendered and now that the Winter meetings are here you may see somethings happen and then after that some people will jump after the non tenders, others will continue to sit. Considering there are still plenty of quality players on Free Agency, rumored to be non tendered and on the trading block, I'm not worried at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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