toasty Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I listened to KW's interview on AM1000 today and he mensioned that while they did have a number of possibilities for biddles replacement from in-house, he wasnt really ruling out a fa signing or another trade???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 lmao.. this is the part where you all lose colon now...................along with half the farm and a ton of cash................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 OMG I hope somebody took billy beane's number away from KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 lmao.. this is the part where you all lose colon now...................along with half the farm and a ton of cash................ Wow, somebody is having a hard time accepting the fact that KW did something right for a change and now there's no real reason to bash him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Maybe kw should quit while he is ahead, and by that I mean quit his job. Come on Kenny go out on a high note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 im not having as hard a time accepting that kw wasnt the brain child behind this trade as much as you all are........f*** it he got a huge, slow ass pitcher whos probably going to end up like d. wells..... who cares.....its not like colon will bring us a world series title anytime soon.....espically if the rest of the team has holes needing plugged........whats to get so excited about..............nothing erases the fact that kw is still and always will be a dumb ass.......... :fyou him........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Wow, somebody is having a hard time accepting the fact that KW did something right for a change and now there's no real reason to bash him. There's still plenty of reasons to bash KW..... although he's earned a temporary reprieve from me. It truly amazes me that one good deal by KW is enough for alot of posters here to forgive all of the bad deals KW has done in the past. KW did good today..... no question. But for this one good move, there are 4-5 real stinkers. KW still owes us 3-4 more deals like this before he even gets to .500. Time will tell. But I agree in part with mac..... time for HSC to at least accept the fact that KW didn't get fleeced on this one. C'mon HSC..... me and RPS didn't think the crow tasted half bad. No matter what you think of Colon or his weight, you have to admit our SP is better today than it was yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 lol the only reason he didnt get fleeced on this one is cause cashman has an altertive motive........watch and see.........i stand with my assessment on kw.. he sucks always will and thats it........ :fyou him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 he wasn't the brains behind it? The yanks brought the Hernandez deal to him without the Expos getting involved. So KW rejected the deal and worked out a three-way deal which HE started. Of course, you didn't hear that, right? KW is a moron and was just sitting on his ass this whole time and the Expos and Yanks knocked on his door and said here is a deal. When he makes a bad move it's because he's an idiot who got burned. when he makes a good move it's because he got lucky and the deal fell in his lap. jesus christ, I know you don't like to admit it, but KW isn't an idiot like you suggest. when he makes a bad trade, people magnify 10 TIMES and drag it out for several months. he makes a good one, these certain people cover their eyes and slowly take a peak only to make comments like he got lucky and how he's still an idiot. why is it hard to admit that along with the bad ones KW has made some good moves? sorry once again for getting jumpy, I just don't see the need for being constantly negative. he did a good thing, give him credit and acknowledge it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 I'd normally agree with you, Mario, but I can't imagine Cashman and the Yankees being so blatantly fleeced if it wasn't their idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 sorry once again for getting jumpy, I just don't see the need for being constantly negative. he did a good thing, give him credit and acknowledge it. Thats what i've been saying. Give the man his props, he did a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 he wasn't the brains behind it? The yanks brought the Hernandez deal to him without the Expos getting involved. So KW rejected the deal and worked out a three-way deal which HE started. Of course, you didn't hear that, right? KW is a moron and was just sitting on his ass this whole time and the Expos and Yanks knocked on his door and said here is a deal. When he makes a bad move it's because he's an idiot who got burned. when he makes a good move it's because he got lucky and the deal fell in his lap. jesus christ, I know you don't like to admit it, but KW isn't an idiot like you suggest. when he makes a bad trade, people magnify 10 TIMES and drag it out for several months. he makes a good one, these certain people cover their eyes and slowly take a peak only to make comments like he got lucky and how he's still an idiot. why is it hard to admit that along with the bad ones KW has made some good moves? sorry once again for getting jumpy, I just don't see the need for being constantly negative. he did a good thing, give him credit and acknowledge it. please leave me to my kw thoughts and ill leave you to yours... hes still a jackass who has no clue how to be a gm and he wasnt the brains behind this deal casue if you knew anything you would know that cashman already had been rejected with this offer from the expos.... and cashman pulled kw's strings casue the expos wouldnt see him coming............cashman isnt done yet.... but he did get what he wanted .. boston has no colon ..at least for now........anyhow if you seriously think that kw was the brain child behind this manuver then you are a dumbass...........ill give credit when its due..... where kw has been concerned in the past i always have...... this time around its not even close..... the credit goes to cashman on this one........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 please leave me to my kw thoughts and ill leave you to yours... hes still a jackass who has no clue how to be a gm and he wasnt the brains behind this deal casue if you knew anything you would know that cashman already had been rejected with this offer from the expos.... and cashman pulled kw's strings casue the expos wouldnt see him coming............cashman isnt done yet.... but he did get what he wanted .. boston has no colon ..at least for now........anyhow if you seriously think that kw was the brain child behind this manuver then you are a dumbass...........ill give credit when its due..... where kw has been concerned in the past i always have...... this time around its not even close..... the credit goes to cashman on this one........ We should at least give him credit for pulling his head out of his ass long enough to listen to Cashman, that alone is a big step for kw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 he wasn't the brains behind it? The yanks brought the Hernandez deal to him without the Expos getting involved. So KW rejected the deal and worked out a three-way deal which HE started. Of course, you didn't hear that, right? KW is a moron and was just sitting on his ass this whole time and the Expos and Yanks knocked on his door and said here is a deal. When he makes a bad move it's because he's an idiot who got burned. when he makes a good move it's because he got lucky and the deal fell in his lap. jesus christ, I know you don't like to admit it, but KW isn't an idiot like you suggest. when he makes a bad trade, people magnify 10 TIMES and drag it out for several months. he makes a good one, these certain people cover their eyes and slowly take a peak only to make comments like he got lucky and how he's still an idiot. why is it hard to admit that along with the bad ones KW has made some good moves? sorry once again for getting jumpy, I just don't see the need for being constantly negative. he did a good thing, give him credit and acknowledge it. molto...kw still is an idiot...this one deal can not erase all the things he has done in the past...trading for the wrong player ...spies in the clubhouse...clayton / ritchie...publically blasting players in the paper and on the radio...ect , ect ,ect... lets just hope he gets one more starting pitcher via free agency and we can win inspite of him..he take take all the credit...sox fans will have a championship..(dreaming , i know) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 please leave me to my kw thoughts and ill leave you to yours... hes still a jackass who has no clue how to be a gm and he wasnt the brains behind this deal casue if you knew anything you would know that cashman already had been rejected with this offer from the expos.... and cashman pulled kw's strings casue the expos wouldnt see him coming............cashman isnt done yet.... but he did get what he wanted .. boston has no colon ..at least for now........anyhow if you seriously think that kw was the brain child behind this manuver then you are a dumbass...........ill give credit when its due..... where kw has been concerned in the past i always have...... this time around its not even close..... the credit goes to cashman on this one........ We should at least give him credit for pulling his head out of his ass long enough to listen to Cashman, that alone is a big step for kw. ok nuke ill go for that..... he did keep his head out long enough to hear cashman out...... credit for that duely noted............but he gets credit for nothing else................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 wake up people, did you not even hear cashman say that kw rejected an outright el duque/osuna deal 10 days ago, but then KW contacted cashman about maybe being interested if they could make the three way deal work???? give KW the credit for not giving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 wake up people, did you not even hear cashman say that kw rejected an outright el duque/osuna deal 10 days ago, but then KW contacted cashman about maybe being interested if they could make the three way deal work???? give KW the credit for not giving up. again...kw will earn my credit when he improves on the team he inherited...he was handed a gold mine...95 wins , young team with 30 million dollar payroll and BA's number one rated farm system...in two years he doubled the payroll and turned it into a .500 ballclub...now we are suppose to forgive everything because on his 18th deal as a sox GM he finally got one right??? lets wait see what happens...if he adds another starting pitcher..or seriously upgrades an everyday position with getting a guy like IROD...then inks colon to a long term deal (and buehrle too)..then , if the team wins the division and advances in the playoffs more than one season he'll get my respect...but not until... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 that 95-win team wasn't a real 95-win team though baggs. he was handed a good team, but not a gold mine. I thought he was at the time too, but were very lucky in 2000, very unlucky in 2001, and just bad this past season. part of it could be contributed to KW, but he didn't ruin anything special. Kw isn't a good GM, he may even be closer to a bad one, but not every bad thing that happens to the sox is a result of him. He's made some good deals. -Wells -Marte -Jimenez -Olivo -Harris -Glover -Colon doesn't make him good, but he's better than the incompetent idiot many make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 that 95-win team wasn't a real 95-win team though baggs. he was handed a good team, but not a gold mine. I thought he was at the time too, but were very lucky in 2000, very unlucky in 2001, and just bad this past season. part of it could be contributed to KW, but he didn't ruin anything special. Kw isn't a good GM, he may even be closer to a bad one, but not every bad thing that happens to the sox is a result of him. He's made some good deals. -Wells -Marte -Jimenez -Olivo -Harris -Glover -Colon doesn't make him good, but he's better than the incompetent idiot many make him out to be. on your list...the only player thats really distinguished himself in the role he was traded for was damaso marte jiminez...its a wait and see deal..we gave up a good prospect in alex fernandez...hopefully this turns out to be a win / win deal.. wells - im assuming this is david wells..this was a complete disaster..shouldergate ruined any good name KW had... olivo - in the last 2 years chad bradford has established himself as the A'S set up man...thats a set up man on a playoff team..we really could have used chad since our bullpen stinks imo..if we had chad in '01 he could have made a difference between throwing in the towel in july (baldwin) and trading for a pitcher to help the staff (woody williams perhaps..the same woody williams that went 7-0 for st louis in their pennant push)..olivo has done nothing for us yet... harris - he has been a disappointment so far... what is the fascination with glover???...he is 12-13 with a 5.10 era for us and all sox fans love him???...last year he regressed from '01 so i cant even be optomistic on his chance for improvement...he is a below mediocre pitcher at best..the guy we traded away for him , scott eyre , has put up better numbers with toronto and san fran..eyre - with san fran last year helped them to the world series..he had a sub 2.00 era with them...eyre's era the past 2 seasons - 4.29 colon..i love this trade...if we ink colon long term..if we dont...then to quote austin powers..."whoop t do..what does it all mean basil"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Jimenez was a good trade. We dealt two guys who really had no spot in our organization for Jimenez who I REALLY like (maybe this is more of a personal liking) Glover is good. the only reason his ERA is high is because he started, but he's a good reliever. I love his demeanor and poise. I didn't list these trades as them being KW wins, but they were all strong deals. Wells performed better than Siro, and that trade at the time was huge in that it gave us the TRUE #1 everyone was complaining for. Bradford has done good and I HATED GIVING HIM UP, but Olivo looks to be the first young catcher we've had in a LONG time who looks to be the real deal. Harris for Singleton was good. Sure Harris hasn't done great, but he hasn't really been given a chance. Singleton had done nothing since, while Harris has only had a few games in the bigs. One thing is for us, Harris' "D" is great. I think defensively, he is the best guy we have at a postion. the Koch deal was even, the Clayton deal was even as well. the COlon deal today was a steal. the thing is, KW had made 4 bad trades (I think it is more like 2-3, but I'll stick with 4), but he's made plenty of even to good trades. that doesn't warrant praise, but warrants a certain amount of respect. He can't be considered a crap GM to the extent many believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 im not having as hard a time accepting that kw wasnt the brain child behind this trade as much as you all are........f*** it he got a huge, slow ass pitcher whos probably going to end up like d. wells..... who cares.....its not like colon will bring us a world series title anytime soon.....espically if the rest of the team has holes needing plugged........whats to get so excited about..............nothing erases the fact that kw is still and always will be a dumb ass.......... :fyou him........ what are your list of holes that needs addressing beside the cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 that 95-win team wasn't a real 95-win team though baggs. he was handed a good team, but not a gold mine. I thought he was at the time too, but were very lucky in 2000, very unlucky in 2001, and just bad this past season. part of it could be contributed to KW, but he didn't ruin anything special. Kw isn't a good GM, he may even be closer to a bad one, but not every bad thing that happens to the sox is a result of him. He's made some good deals. -Wells -Marte -Jimenez -Olivo -Harris -Glover -Colon doesn't make him good, but he's better than the incompetent idiot many make him out to be. every dog has its day and right now, kw did good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 im not having as hard a time accepting that kw wasnt the brain child behind this trade as much as you all are........f*** it he got a huge, slow ass pitcher whos probably going to end up like d. wells..... who cares.....its not like colon will bring us a world series title anytime soon.....espically if the rest of the team has holes needing plugged........whats to get so excited about..............nothing erases the fact that kw is still and always will be a dumb ass.......... :fyou him........ what are your list of holes that needs addressing beside the cat. lol well start off at catcher........and we will just go around the horn.......1st is ok with paulie and frank backup.. but what do we do with 2nd? and who the hell goes there or do they just platoon between there and ss??? and what about a back up at 3rd??? hell lf .. do we really trust another season with lee out there.. i know i dont... and what about cf.. sure rowand will be ready but whos going to go out there when he crashes into a wall making a catch and breaks his shoulder??? and what about maggs back and wrist problems.. if they flare up who goes out to rf??? not to mention that our pitching still has holes which need to be filled...... i mean geez what have we really acomplished in the past two seasons besides attempt to rebuild without no foundation................can you give me one solid and a solid backup at any position other than 1st????? nope.........so from where i sit we actually need a whole team of something..........dont we.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Jimenez was a good trade. We dealt two guys who really had no spot in our organization for Jimenez who I REALLY like (maybe this is more of a personal liking) Glover is good. the only reason his ERA is high is because he started, but he's a good reliever. I love his demeanor and poise. I didn't list these trades as them being KW wins, but they were all strong deals. Wells performed better than Siro, and that trade at the time was huge in that it gave us the TRUE #1 everyone was complaining for. Bradford has done good and I HATED GIVING HIM UP, but Olivo looks to be the first young catcher we've had in a LONG time who looks to be the real deal. Harris for Singleton was good. Sure Harris hasn't done great, but he hasn't really been given a chance. Singleton had done nothing since, while Harris has only had a few games in the bigs. One thing is for us, Harris' "D" is great. I think defensively, he is the best guy we have at a postion. the Koch deal was even, the Clayton deal was even as well. the COlon deal today was a steal. the thing is, KW had made 4 bad trades (I think it is more like 2-3, but I'll stick with 4), but he's made plenty of even to good trades. that doesn't warrant praise, but warrants a certain amount of respect. He can't be considered a crap GM to the extent many believe. oh come on now, oliva hasn't done anything to warrant what you gave him, esp if he can't cork up his bat. the man can't hit. clayton is an even deal. now you loose what ever opinion i have of you as a baseball knowledge person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 im not having as hard a time accepting that kw wasnt the brain child behind this trade as much as you all are........f*** it he got a huge, slow ass pitcher whos probably going to end up like d. wells..... who cares.....its not like colon will bring us a world series title anytime soon.....espically if the rest of the team has holes needing plugged........whats to get so excited about..............nothing erases the fact that kw is still and always will be a dumb ass.......... :fyou him........ what are your list of holes that needs addressing beside the cat. lol well start off at catcher........and we will just go around the horn.......1st is ok with paulie and frank backup.. but what do we do with 2nd? and who the hell goes there or do they just platoon between there and ss??? and what about a back up at 3rd??? hell lf .. do we really trust another season with lee out there.. i know i dont... and what about cf.. sure rowand will be ready but whos going to go out there when he crashes into a wall making a catch and breaks his shoulder??? and what about maggs back and wrist problems.. if they flare up who goes out to rf??? not to mention that our pitching still has holes which need to be filled...... i mean geez what have we really acomplished in the past two seasons besides attempt to rebuild without no foundation................can you give me one solid and a solid backup at any position other than 1st????? nope.........so from where i sit we actually need a whole team of something..........dont we.......... i have a good feeling of our infielders. the only prob is harris, inability to hit worth a lick. in the outfield, mags is mags and i am sure he will come back from his writst injury. cf is where we truly need some help, and c lee, i wonder which lee is going to show up? cat, i will go with what we have, since we have nothing better. the key to this is big frank, i hope the big frank of the 90's shows up. with colon, it makes the pitching situation very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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