Mr. Showtime Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Mets The New York Mets have signed outfielder Mike Cameron to a three-year deal worth $19.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Overpaid, if you ask me. He isn't a 6 mill a year outfielder. He would of been nice at 4 mill a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Overpaid, yes. Worth the $$$, no. Upgrade over Cedeno, yes. Overall good signing, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Ha, Mike Cameron just did exactly the OPPOSITE of what Jim Bowden said he would do. Bowden basically said that Cameron had 3 offers on the table, one from Oakland, one from San Diego, and one from NY, and that NY's had the most money on the table. He said that he'd probably sign with Oakland because he thought he wanted to go to a winner and that he wasn't going for the money. Bowden = dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 What I want to know is do we play the mets this year? Cameron no doubt looks forward to teeing off against our pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 What I want to know is do we play the mets this year? Cameron no doubt looks forward to teeing off against our pitching. I'm pretty sure we do. I know we play the NL East, and there's a strong possibility that we play them. However, we would travel to New York to play them and not have them come here, which was the case in 2001, so Cameron does not get to see USCF this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 So what happens to Cedeno now? JW I have two guesses. Either he makes himself comfortable on the bench, or he is traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I think I just saw Billy Beane whip a chair out of his hotel suite in disgust . KW now might have leverage for the NYM to pay some of Cedeno's salary in a Koch-Cedeno trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Mike "The Whiff" Cameron. Seattle will learn to live without him. and he'd better learn to live with a bad team, unrealistic fans and another bad hitters park. Good luck, Whiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 We do not play the Mets this year, even though we play the NL East. We get Atlanta and Philly at U.S. Cell, and on the road we go to Florida to play the Marlins and we go to Montreal to play the Expos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The Mets have to lead MLB in $$$$$ wasted on mediocre-to-no talents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Ha, Mike Cameron just did exactly the OPPOSITE of what Jim Bowden said he would do. Bowden basically said that Cameron had 3 offers on the table, one from Oakland, one from San Diego, and one from NY, and that NY's had the most money on the table. He said that he'd probably sign with Oakland because he thought he wanted to go to a winner and that he wasn't going for the money. Bowden = dumbass. Maybe Now Harold Reynolds will say the Mariners hated Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Hmmm me thinks da Mets fans mite be cryin foul again about an overpaid playa. Cameron is a good CF, but he's not worth 19 mill ova 3 years. But still the Mets know what they want and money ain't a problem for that, until now. Hopefully now they'll go afta Koch. This is from Jayson Stark's Rumblings and Grumblings, Now that they've signed Mike Cameron, the Mets will turn to their next objective -- finding a closer. They've talked to free agent Ugueth Urbina. But indications are that they're more likely to trade for either Billy Koch or Scott Williamson. And if we were betting men, we'd bet on Koch, given his connection (from Oakland) to new pitching coach Rick Peterson. Two teams that have been speaking with the Red Sox said they came away with the clear impression that center fielder Johnny Damon is now available. The Red Sox are also prepared to trade either Williamson or Byung-Hyun Kim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 This is a "depressed" free agent market in terms of salaries. Someone forward that huge revelation to the Mets upper brass. Better yet, don't say a thing. Let them suffer in their stupidity and marinade in it. Last place, here they come. The Mutts, so desperate to detour attention from the Yankees, do something stupid yet again. That's why they are the Mutts. Piss on 'em.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 This is a "depressed" free agent market in terms of salaries. Someone forward that huge revelation to the Mets upper brass. Better yet, don't say a thing. Let them suffer in their stupidity and marinade in it. Last place, here they come. The Mutts, so desperate to detour attention from the Yankees, do something stupid yet again. That's why they are the Mutts. Piss on 'em.' Hopefully they r stupid enough to take on Koch now. David Weathers would look very nice in our pen. I know Jason said he posted very good numbers this year I think leadin the Mets in appearances. He'd be a nice replacement for Sully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 They are stupid, DBAHO. They are as stupid as the day is long. I actually feel some positive energy now - they would probably take the Koch deal. However, I still think Koch rebounds next year. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 They are stupid, DBAHO. They are as stupid as the day is long. I actually feel some positive energy now - they would probably take the Koch deal. However, I still think Koch rebounds next year. Just my thoughts. Hehe, it's the first positive energy I've felt all weekend too. Finally this move may lead to a deal actually gettin done for da White Sox. I can see why they want him, with the Rick Peterson factor, but he's just too much of a risk for my liking at $6.25 mill especially when otha guys like Foulke who u know r gonna put up good no's r only makin $5 mill next year. But he will put up betta numbers, I'm just not sure how much betta they'll be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I was so psyched this weekend, and now I'm just "blah." Kenny is nothing if not consistent. He doesn't inspire or elicit any enthusiasm in the offseason or regular season. He's a dolt in any time frame, or at any point in the team's season. He's nothing if not consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Jason, did you really think Mike Cameron away from Safeco (check the numbers folks!) field would barely cost much more than 3 Mill? I know, I know, I was that naive myself, too, so who am I to talk.... He's shown he couild be a mid-800 OPS player with good OBP despite playing in a pitcher's parks 81 times a year. His defense was never a question, and while he's lost a step on the basepaths, he is still one of the BEST overall baserunners in AL. He's been one of the greatest regular teams of all time, the 2001 squad, so there is little question whether he can "win". UNder the circumstances, anything under 5-6 Mill was out of the question. If Robbie is gonna get 3+ a year, Cameron should get AT LEAST 2-3 Mill more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 But is Mike Cameron really 3 mill a year better then Carl Everett??? But your right, I definately mis priced him. I thought he could of been had for 4 mill a year and I think thats what he's worth. I also thought Colon was an 8 mill a year pitcher, 10 mill max. He got more then that and so be it. Sometimes other teams overpay cause they have drastic needs, but I think teams are almost always better off not overpaying and just waiting and going another direction. I hope the Sox do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 But is Mike Cameron really 3 mill a year better then Carl Everett??? Last time I checked, Everett was making almost 2 Mill more than Cameron in 2003....And, yes, as a CF, Cameron IS a better player......if you put him on that Texas team, with unreal line-up protection of Blalock, Young, Palemiro, Gonzalez, Texeira and even Greer, in that lainghing pad of a park....on a last place team where there is hardly any pressure....Cameron would have n aOPS of at least 70 points higher-- and he's had a few 800 OPS as it is! Then baserunning and defense (Carl is really mediocre and bad respectively) which over the 162 game season comes down to quite a lot. Mike is also 2 years younger. Besides, is Manny Ramirez REALLY worth extra 18 Mill over Audrey Huff? Figuring out a player's intristic value is hard enough; knowing who is overpaid or not and who is a better fit for which team is even more difficult. But your right, I definately mis priced him. I thought he could of been had for 4 mill a year and I think thats what he's worth. I think people who thought Valentin, Gordon and Robbie would take 2 Mill or Less, or that Colon and Escobar would go for 9 and 3 respectively, fell into the trap of thinking that the prices/demand are gonna drop at the rate at which they rose in the first place. It may indeed be a GM's market (in November), but it's a PLAYER's world. Never forget that. We both know Sox can't afford to overpay, but many teams are NOT like the Sox, both in terms of financial situations AND the division in which they play. They, too determine the market value for players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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