whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 that a Garcia and either prospects or money for Maggs deal might go down in the very near future. They also said that if the M's miss out on Tejada they might be interested in Valentin. I was talking to some Seattle fans and they said the radio station, called Komo am 1000, is usually a pretty reliable source. Its just a rumor, so don't assume that it is a done deal, but I have heard a lot of speculation that the Sox are really after Garcia and this is just another source from the other side confirming this rumor. This deal would make sense for both sides, so I think it is a fairly realistic rumor, but we will have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Assuming that the M's don't get Tejada I'd go for: Maggs and Valentin for Garcia, Lopez, and Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 It seems that the signing of Tejada will have a definite impact on what and if the Sox make any trades. Once Tejada signs, teams like LA or the Mariners may want Valentine. I think that it is why trade talks have tailed off because our trades are dependent on Tejada who is still unsigned. Also whether Nomar is going to become available could also change Valentine's worth. If the Angel's cant get Nomar, maybe they will want Valentine a good clubhouse guy with and productive offensively. The Sox have 3 or so pitchers who they likely can get: O. Perez Washburn F. Garcia Interestingly the M's and Dodger's have guillen and izturis who could be moved to the Sox. There are probably a few different offers, depending on players given and recieved, since the Sox are pretty much trading all similar players each team probably has a different trade ready depending on who is available, and they want. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Garcia for Maggs is a horrible deal, Sox are not 1% better with this trade HELL NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Author Share Posted December 14, 2003 I doubt that the M's will give up Soriano. The kid is a future ace and one of the reasons that they are thinking about trading Garcia is to open a spot in the starting rotation for him. The M's do have a pretty good minor league system though with some prospects that might interest the Sox. I agree with you soxbadger, one of the reasons why there hasn't been a lot of trades is because GM's are waiting for some of the big name FA to land and when the smoke clears there will be teams that missed out and will look for trades to fill their holes. My guess is that the Sox get one of the three pitchers that you mention. If I had a choice, I would want them to get Washburn, Garcia, and Perez in that order. I have always been a fan of Guillen and would love to see him in a Sox uniform, especially if they move Valentin. I am also coming around on the idea of trading for Izturis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Author Share Posted December 14, 2003 Garcia for Maggs is a horrible deal, Sox are not 1% better with this trade HELL NO. Unfortunately you don't have much say in the matter if the deal goes through. It could be a good deal depending on who the prospects are. It would also address the fact that the Sox have to cut about 5-7M from their current payroll. Its just a rumor so don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. Lets find out if it goes through and what players are involved before you start calling for peoples heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 61382: I've heard that Soriano is untouchable, so think Blackley, Nagoette, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Unfortunately you don't have much say in the matter if the deal goes through. It could be a good deal depending on who the prospects are. It would also address the fact that the Sox have to cut about 5-7M from their current payroll. Its just a rumor so don't get your panties in a bunch just yet. Lets find out if it goes through and what players are involved before you start calling for peoples heads. If Sox are going to give stars away for crap then JR why the hell you raised ticket prices 35% the last 5 seasons to have a s*** 58 mil dollar payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Let me add me .02 cents. Ok, Garcia for Maggs = HELL NO! Garcia has had arm problems and has a rising ERA. If we added Valentin and got a SS and a SP prospect, I would do it. As far as LA goes, Maggs, Koney, and Valentin for Perez, Izturis, and a prospect or 2 sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Blackley and Nagoette are studs, period. Nagoette has a slider that is just plain filthy and it sometime rates around a 70 or 80 on the 20-80 scale. Had 157 K in 154 IP, had a low 3's ERA. Walks too many hitters, though (64 in 154 IP). Blackley, who is an Aussie I believe, went 17-3 with a 2.61 ERA in 27 starts in AA. Also has some control issues (62 BB in 162.1 IP). Solid K/IP ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Author Share Posted December 14, 2003 61382: I've heard that Soriano is untouchable, so think Blackley, Nagoette, etc. From what I have heard/know about the minors/gotten from M's fans, is that they might not part with Blackley or Nagoette either. Then again their fans don't have much say in which prospects are untouchable. The good news is that the M's have a pretty talented minor league system with a lot of prospects that address the Sox needs. One guy I wouldn't mind getting, assuming he is completely healthy, is Chris Snelling. We will have to wait and see though. Its just a rumor out of Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Oh great, their studs but have control issues. Gee, dont we have a guy like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I would not want to do Garcia for Maggs at any cost whatsoever. I do want to trade Maggs, mainly because of his salary, but KW himself said that if he traded Maggs, he'd get the most he could get for him. Garcia, IMHO, is not the most you could get for Maggs. We better get some good ass prospects if this trade goes through, which I hope it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattyguy78 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Rotoworld is reporting that Tejada has supposedly told his agent to get a deal done with Seattle....he picked them over Baltimore and Detroit, so it is unlikely that Valentin will go to the M's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 While I kinda agree with Cali, its just not a good time for the deal. What Sox fans are still following the team are starting to wear thin of KW, and I think to the general puplic, this will be a HORRBLE P.R. desicion on the Sox part, and dont think it will happen. To make their budget and still make an appearance at improving the team they'll have to move either Maggs or multiple other players, any way they are going to take a PR hit. But then they knew this when they set the budget so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 If Sox are going to give stars away for crap then JR why the hell you raised ticket prices 35% the last 5 seasons to have a s*** 58 mil dollar payroll. It sucks being on the other end of a Colon for Liefer\Biddle type trade aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Maggs for Garcia? You've got to be kidding me. Mariners might non-tender Garcia. They were ready to boot him from the rotation last year. He had a crappy ERA in the best pitchers park in the American league. This isn't even worth discussing unless the Mariners are giving us another everyday player (Carlos Guillen) and solid prospect. Fuhgetaboutiit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 It sucks being on the other end of a Colon for Liefer\Biddle type trade aye. Hey sunshine Colon is gone and If you want to talk trades that suck bring up the Ritchie/ Wells -Fogg trade AYE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The Mariners also want to dump some salary if they're going to trade Garcia, I don't think they want to add anymore salary especially if they end up signing Tejada which it looks like is going to happen, I think another major league player would have to be added from the mariners side of this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Hey sunshine Colon is gone and If you want to talk trades that suck bring up the Ritchie/ Wells -Fogg trade AYE Both of you shut the hell up. Both trades are long gone! Back to the M's, Im only trading Maggs if we include Valentin and they include some REALLY good prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I would not want to do Garcia for Maggs at any cost whatsoever. I do want to trade Maggs, mainly because of his salary, but KW himself said that if he traded Maggs, he'd get the most he could get for him. Garcia, IMHO, is not the most you could get for Maggs. We better get some good ass prospects if this trade goes through, which I hope it doesn't. Why would the M's want maggs? They already have 3 outfielders. I would do a Soriano, One of the Stud Prospects, Guillen, Winn Deal For Jose and Maggs. Soriano may be untoucheable but so is Maggs, they have to give up something to get something... Then throw Konerko to L.A For Perez. Sign Scott Spiezio. If Tejada Signs with the M's and they wanna deal then that and leave Valentin for the Dodgers for Perez and Maybe a Bullpen guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Author Share Posted December 14, 2003 A deal that I would like to see happen is Garcia, Winn, and Mateo for Maggs. I really think Garcia has a good chance to rebound. Also, I looked at his home/away splits and they aren't as one sided as you would think, so I think him moving away from Safeco won't hurt him. I think Winn would be a nice addition. Seattle would probably given him up to open a spot in the outfield for Maggs and help even the salaries. I think Winn would look good in the leadoff spot for the Sox. He has quietly put up some solid numbers the past 2 years: .290+ BA, 35+ 2B, 10+ HR, 75+ RBI, 20+ SB, .770+ OPS(including a .345+ OBP). Mateo would be a young arm that the Sox could put in the pen and possible groom as a future closer or put him in the rotation. He quietly put together a great year last year: 4-0 85.2 IP 69 H 13 BB 71 K .96 WHIP 3.15 ERA. The Sox could then put a package together for Orlando Hudson from Toronto(who is reported on the market). The Sox would probably have to give up either Rauch or Diaz and possible another marginal prospect to get him, but it would be well worth it. Hudson is young, cheap, and very talented. Finally, the Sox somehow get the Mets to bite on the Koch for Weathers deal. maybe throw in a marginal prospect if you have too. Do these 3 things and you have yourself a pretty talented team that fits the financial constraints. CF - Winn 2B - Hudson LF - Lee DH - Thomas 1B - Konerko SS - Valentin 3B - Crede RF - Rowand(Reed or Borchard if he struggles) C - Olivo LH - Buehrle RH - Loiaza RH - Garcia RH - Garland LH/RH - Schoeneweis or Rauch/Diaz(the one not included in the Hudson deal) or Mateo LH - Marte RH - Mateo RH - Weathers LH - Wunsch RH - Wright RH - Ginter or Rauch/Diaz(the one not included in the Hudson deal) IF/CF - Harris IF - Uribe C - Alomar 1B/OF - Gload Utl. - Other Thats a pretty decent team with all things considered. Its also a very young team with only 6 players on the wrong side of 30. This is just a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia in Black, but not at the cost of maggs. I think we can get Garia after the 20th. and I'm pretty sure there will be a taker for Billy Koch, Unloading $6MIL, getting not much in return. but that I can live with.. When it's all said and done I think Kock is the only player KW has really given up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia in Black, but not at the cost of maggs. I think we can get Garia after the 20th. and I'm pretty sure there will be a taker for Billy Koch, Unloading $6MIL, getting not much in return. but that I can live with.. When it's all said and done I think Kock is the only player KW has really given up on. Hey But if we can pickup a Guy Like Soriano and Carlos Guillen it wouldn't be bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Hey But if we can pickup a Guy Like Soriano and Carlos Guillen it wouldn't be bad Yes, It wouldn't be bad. But If I'm the M's GM i'm not giving up that much to a team that's looking to drop payroll for a player who's only guarenteed for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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