JoshPR Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 ESPN's Jim Bowden is reporting that the Orioles could have both Miguel Tejada and Ivan Rodriguez signed today. Bowden said that the Tejada is leaning toward taking a five-year, $50 million offer from Baltimore over a four-year, $32 million contract from the Mariners. Of course, it's worth remembering that Bowden has been wrong about a lot of stuff the last two days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 We can only hope so. If Tejada goes to Baltimore maybe KW can swing a Maggs+Jose+Cash for Garica+Soriano+Clint Nageotte trade with the M's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Agreed Mac...although I think that Guillen/Wynn would be a part of the deal too or thats my guess. I doubt Bavasi gives up two prospects, although its a possibility. I'd say Maggs and Jose for Garcia, Soriano, Wynn and Guillen. Guillen and Garcia are likely gone anyway and Wynn just signed a 3 yr extension thats rather affordable (2 yr and an option at a little less then 4 mill a year). The Sox then have a shortstop, cf that can leadoff, and their two starting pitchers and money left over to add relievers. Thats probably the best potential deal out there if you ask me...because it helps both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Who is I-Rod signing with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Isn't Guillen a FA? Anyway i'm fine with a Maggs+Jose for Garcia+Soriano+Wynn trade, but i don't think the M's would be very willing to let Wynn go, who else do they have to play CF? Maybe if we throw in Rowand or Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Isn't Guillen a FA? Anyway i'm fine with a Maggs+Jose for Garcia+Soriano+Wynn trade, but i don't think the M's would be very willing to let Wynn go, who else do they have to play CF? Maybe if we throw in Rowand or Harris. Jose Guillen is a Free Agent outfielder from oakland. what about I-Rod who would he sign with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Jose Guillen is a Free Agent outfielder from oakland. what about I-Rod who would he sign with? Well in that first post it says he's likely to sign with the Orioles soon, if not I'd look at him to sign with the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Carlos Guillen, not Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Carlos Guillen, not Jose. Sorry sir, my mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Isn't Guillen a FA? Anyway i'm fine with a Maggs+Jose for Garcia+Soriano+Wynn trade, but i don't think the M's would be very willing to let Wynn go, who else do they have to play CF? Maybe if we throw in Rowand or Harris. According to the LA Times the Dodgesr are hot after Wynn so he must be on the block. Bavasi has said that he doesn't expect any of the Dodgers top prospects in a trade, which tells me he's out there for something decent, no studs. With Maggs and Ichiro, they would still have a need, but their will be some guys out there for cheap they could add, plus don't they have a pretty good outfield prospect. If they lose out on Tejada, I think it makes a deal much more likely. I'd say they'd give us Guillen, Wynn, Garcia and Soriano or Naggette, although i'd hold out and demand Soriano. Of course we give them jose as well and Jose has value, I don't care what anyone tells me. Jose hit 28 hr's and knocked in a lot of runs. Sox fans may be tired of him, and I am, but very few shortstops put up that kind of production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Personally I have thought all along that Baltimore would make some big named headlines over the winter. They are one of a very few teams with a lot of money to spend and a lot of needs to fill. They have got to make a splash as their attendance has just plummetted the last few years, and they have got to do something to plug the holes and try to draw fans back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Isn't Guillen a FA? Anyway i'm fine with a Maggs+Jose for Garcia+Soriano+Wynn trade, but i don't think the M's would be very willing to let Wynn go, who else do they have to play CF? Maybe if we throw in Rowand or Harris. I thought Carlos Guillen was gonna be non tendered, but as of now the Mariners still own his rights, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 According to the LA Times the Dodgesr are hot after Wynn so he must be on the block. Bavasi has said that he doesn't expect any of the Dodgers top prospects in a trade, which tells me he's out there for something decent, no studs. With Maggs and Ichiro, they would still have a need, but their will be some guys out there for cheap they could add, plus don't they have a pretty good outfield prospect. If they lose out on Tejada, I think it makes a deal much more likely. I'd say they'd give us Guillen, Wynn, Garcia and Soriano or Naggette, although i'd hold out and demand Soriano. Of course we give them jose as well and Jose has value, I don't care what anyone tells me. Jose hit 28 hr's and knocked in a lot of runs. Sox fans may be tired of him, and I am, but very few shortstops put up that kind of production. Its a good deal for the Sox's, but i somehow fell Kenny would need to make up some of the difference in money. Were send them $19M and only taking back $12-13M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Personally I have thought all along that Baltimore would make some big named headlines over the winter. They are one of a very few teams with a lot of money to spend and a lot of needs to fill. They have got to make a splash as their attendance has just plummetted the last few years, and they have got to do something to plug the holes and try to draw fans back. If they don't get two of Vlad/Tejada/Irod then I think they will become major players in the Maggs sweepstakes. I say after those guys get signed, the Dodgers and one of the Mariners/Orioles will be the frontrunners for Maggs. Dodgers have Franky Guiterez who is a stud and Perez to dangle and then demand one more guy in return, while the Mariners have the deal we all have been talking about as a possibility and the Orioles got Gibbons, Matos and others. I'd prefer deals for pitching myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Isn't Guillen a FA? Anyway i'm fine with a Maggs+Jose for Garcia+Soriano+Wynn trade, but i don't think the M's would be very willing to let Wynn go, who else do they have to play CF? Maybe if we throw in Rowand or Harris. The M's are willing to part with Winn. The M's also wouldn't need another outfielder if they traded Winn and picked up Maggs, because they would move Ichiro to CF(his natural position), Maggs in RF, and remember that they signed Ibanez to play LF. Thats why I have a feeling that if Maggs is traded to Seattle, than Winn might be included else Winn would be a 3M/yr bench player for Seattle. I really like the idea of getting Winn to leadoff. He has quietly put together some good seasons the past 2 years and would look good leading off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Its a good deal for the Sox's, but i somehow fell Kenny would need to make up some of the difference in money. Were send them $19M and only taking back $12-13M. And thats about what they were going to offer Miguel Tejada, so I think it pretty much works out. The Sox take about 3-4 mill in Guillen, 3-4 mill in Wynn, and 7-8 mill in Garcia so it really only saves the Sox like 3-5 mill. Of course it fills your starting rotation, the leadoff slot, shortstop and you can now afford to go with Willie Harris at 2nd because you have Wynn and Guillen at the top of the order. You still have Konerko, Thomas and Lee and they just need to add two relievers, maybe deal Koch to free a little more money and get you a reliever and then sign one more outfielder like Jay Payton. You then have Randy Wynn Carlos Guillen Frank Thomas Carlos Lee Paul Konerko Insert RF - Preferably a left handed hitter (Don't know whose out there, but a lot of outfielders that are solid will be there) Joe Crede - 3rd Miguel Olivo - c Willie Harris - 2nd Rotation Elo Buehrle Garcia Garland Soriano Bullpen Marte Rhodes/Benitez/Gabe White/etc Another FA, hopefully from the top group Dave Weathers or another reliever (Via Koch trade) Danny Wright Arnie Munoz/Dave Sanders/Gary Majewski Bench Rowand Uribe (eventually replaces Carlos Giullen) Sandy Alomar Jr. Ross Gload That can be done and that wouldn't be too bad of a team, especially with that bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The M's are willing to part with Winn. The M's also wouldn't need another outfielder if they traded Winn and picked up Maggs, because they would move Ichiro to CF(his natural position), Maggs in RF, and remember that they signed Ibanez to play LF. Thats why I have a feeling that if Maggs is traded to Seattle, than Winn might be included else Winn would be a 3M/yr bench player for Seattle. I really like the idea of getting Winn to leadoff. He has quietly put together some good seasons the past 2 years and would look good leading off. Thats it, I knew they had someone, couldn't think of who it was. I'd think Wynn and Garcia are definately part of the package. The question is whether Guillen would come into the picture if the Sox want to unload Jose (Only if Tejada doesn't sign with the Mariners) and then the Sox demand one of the prospects and hold out for Soriano. Mariners are trading Wynn, who would be a bench player...Guillen would of been non tendered, Garcia (They don't want him and he's gonna get dealt for a bat sooner or later..potentially non tendered too, but who knows) and then the prospect. So in all honesty, the Mariners are making a deal giving up one guy that would of really be contributing on an every 5th day basis in Soriano or the top prospect. The Sox give up two everyday players, but pick up all starters that will come in and help. Mariners have a stud outfield, still have their infield with some pop and can insert Naggotte into the rotation or one of their other very good prospects. I think the only ??? is if they can get Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The M'S are not trading Soriano no matter what they are offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The M'S are not trading Soriano no matter what they are offered. Yeah, i have that same feeling. But if we do trade Mags why not go after Huff? Mayebe a Rauch/Borchard/Pacheco for Huff deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Yeah, i have that same feeling. But if we do trade Mags why not go after Huff? Mayebe a Rauch/Borchard/Pacheco for Huff deal. I'd do that in a heartbeat. I'd try not to give up Pacheco though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I'd do that in a heartbeat. I'd try not to give up Pacheco though. Heck, then you don't have to add Payton, Huff provides left handed pop and the Sox have their rotation set, add two relievers and don't have to sign any FA position players. That be freaking incredible. Plus, Reed passed Borchard, so I got no problem. Huff is inexpensive and the Drays want pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I'd do that in a heartbeat. I'd try not to give up Pacheco though. Well for Huff, we'd have to trade 2 out of Rauch/Cotts/Pacheco/Honel/Wing +Borcahrd, Rauch and Pacheco come to mind first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Yeah, i have that same feeling. But if we do trade Mags why not go after Huff? Mayebe a Rauch/Borchard/Pacheco for Huff deal. I doubt that the DRays are trading Huff. Sure there have been some rumors, but why would you trade a cheap, young, talented player when you are trying to build for the future? It just doesn't make any sense, however, if they do trade Huff they will get a lot in return because of the above mentioned reasons. It will take a lot more then a good pitching prospect to get him, so keep that in mind while you are throwing out trade purposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Well for Huff, we'd have to trade 2 out of Rauch/Cotts/Pacheco/Honel/Wing +Borcahrd, Rauch and Pacheco come to mind first. Agreed...I knew his stats were good, but I just looked at him and Maggs what. Huff is a freaking stud. If they demanded Rauch and Honel, I'd do it. 26 yrs old, bats left, throws right and plays a solid right field. Last season he hit .311 with 34 hr, 107 RBI, and had a .367 OBP. He also made 325 K, which means he shouldn't make too much next year, although I think it would be great to sign him to an extension. And his 2002 numbers were very similar, although over far fewer games. He may be the most under-rated player in the majors. If the Sox could: Jose, Magglio for Garcia, Wynn, Soriano/Naggette (My spelling sucks for his name), and Carlos Guillen. Then move Borchard, Rauch and Pacheco/Honel/Wing/Anyone but Reed, for Aubrey Huff. You then sign two relievers and move Koch. Wynn - 4 mil- l Guillen - 3 mill Thomas - 6.5 mill Huff - 1 mill (I'd sign him long term though for a lot more) Carlos Lee - 7 mill Konerko - 8 mill Crede - 750 k Olivo - 500 k Harris - 500 k Total Cost: 31.25 mill Thats a freaking hell of a lineup. And you got a rotation with 4 pretty proven starters and then Soriano or Naggotte. And a strong bullpen. Rotation Elo - 4 mill Buehrle - 3.5 mill Garcia - 8 mill (maybe they can reach a cheaper deal if they give him some stability) Garland - 2 mill Soriano/Naggotte - 400 K Total Cost 18 mill (a little less then) Bullpen Marte - 1 mill Two FA Relievers = 5 mill (2.5 per) Weathers = 3 mill (Plus another mill that we pay for Koch, so 4 mill total) Wright - 500 K Sanders/Majewski/Munoz (400 K) Total Cost: 11 mill (a little less) So thats total pitching of 29 mill and total hitting of 31.25 for a total of 60.25 mill, only 2 mil over the proposed budget. I'd say this would be a possibillity and it be a hell of a team. I'd have to think the Drays would do a deal for Rauch and Pacheco (They want pitching and both could come in) as well as Borchard (Chance to turn things around). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I doubt that the DRays are trading Huff. Sure there have been some rumors, but why would you trade a cheap, young, talented player when you are trying to build for the future? It just doesn't make any sense, however, if they do trade Huff they will get a lot in return because of the above mentioned reasons. It will take a lot more then a good pitching prospect to get him, so keep that in mind while you are throwing out trade purposals. They would of done a deal if the Dodgers gave up one of their top pitching prospects or at least thats what was reported. I think if you gave up two top pitching prospects and another pretty highly rated prospect you could get him. And it be more then worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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