The Beast Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 We trade Maggs...prospects We get: Nomar, Perez, Miller, Mota, and Williamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 no. That's now how I understand it. We trade Maggs we end up with either A) Nomar and Williamson or B)Williamson, Perez, Mota and Miller (if that's the 19-year-old lefty ranked the Dodgers' No. 2 prospect). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 winn not gullien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Perez, Miller, Mota only if we send Nomar to LA, considering that those 3 guys ARE Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 get rid of rauch instead of cotts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 We get: Nomar, Perez, Miller, Mota, and Williamson You forgot about Itzsiuturis and Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 get rid of rauch instead of cotts Wtf is wrong with people? Considering he is JUST getting healthy, why would people want to see Rauch go before Diaz or Munoz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 or B)Williamson, Perez, Mota and Miller (if that's the 19-year-old lefty ranked the Dodgers' No. 2 prospect). :puke We should at least get nomar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Wtf is wrong with people? Considering he is JUST getting healthy, why would people want to see Rauch go before Diaz or Munoz? Although he is still coming off of an injury, and put up solid numbers in the second half last year. Rauch, even though he was a Minor League player of the year, has less upside potential than Cotts. Rauch has already had one major surgery, and he is 6'11'', which despite it's benefits, may lead to more injuries. There not mch demand for a 6'11'' control pitcher. Cotts on the other hand, if he can get his control issues fixed, is both younger and is more likely to project to a ML starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Randy Winn will be a Dodger now I bet, since they can't get Ordonez they'll make a move for Winn instead and prob get Freddy Garcia as well, and then try to trade him to the White Sox instead of one of their stud prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Just think Beastly....it will soon be BeastlyNomAh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Randy Winn will be a Dodger now I bet, since they can't get Ordonez they'll make a move for Winn instead and prob get Freddy Garcia as well, and then try to trade him to the White Sox instead of one of their stud prospects. they did just get Encarnacion though... Either way we are going to be dealing with Seattle, Boston, and LA... And i think Evans is a little ticked at KW.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 :puke We should at least get nomar.. So we can end up with nothing after this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 That is the KW way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 Dang it. That sucks if we don't get Nomar...forget the deal...its stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 So we can end up with nothing after this season? if you keep maggs... what will we have after this season?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 if you keep maggs... what will we have after this season?? Which is exactly my point, there's no reason to trade for Nomar. The other trade in which Nomar is he's headed to LA in that 3 (or 4) for one swap at least leaves us with something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Which is exactly my point, there's no reason to trade for Nomar. The other trade in which Nomar is he's headed to LA in that 3 (or 4) for one swap at least leaves us with something. So you propose rebuilding rather than, actually tring to compete in the weakest division in baseball. Both Nomar and Maggs are in thier walk year. So it's a wash. but we save a little money and come up with Williamson to bolster the Pen. Plus there is supposedly a deal in place to ship Jose out to seattle. This likely wouldn't free up any money. Then there's one more deal, PK. Probably to la for OP or possible a couple prospects. Either way this is the money saving move and allows us to compete while staying around budget... can you fill out a competitive roster with maggs... who is likely to walk anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Which is exactly my point, there's no reason to trade for Nomar. The other trade in which Nomar is he's headed to LA in that 3 (or 4) for one swap at least leaves us with something. That's another good reason. I just don't understand why we just don't do that deal now. What we need is pitching, and we get tons of it in that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Although he is still coming off of an injury, and put up solid numbers in the second half last year. Rauch, even though he was a Minor League player of the year, has less upside potential than Cotts. Rauch has already had one major surgery, and he is 6'11'', which despite it's benefits, may lead to more injuries. There not mch demand for a 6'11'' control pitcher. Cotts on the other hand, if he can get his control issues fixed, is both younger and is more likely to project to a ML starter. Here is a novel idea: keep them BOTH. And Danny Wright in the pen. Boston is close to non-tendering Williamson, correct? They in no position to f*** around with OTHER team's prospects...especially if said team has to keep its cheap talent for SURVIVAL because of the dire financial situ. And Nomar? I like him, but here are a few things that have come to light since: 1. His f***ing wrist. It's like a singer having throat problems, a big deal. 2. His magnificent choke in first 10 playoffs games. 3. His home-away splits in last 3 years. 4. His ever-increasing salary. (up to 12 Mill now) 5. Age (he is 30+) 6. He simply doesn't want to come to the White Sox. Nomar alone isn's worth Magglio and Cotts/Rauch because of the above 6. we are doign Red Sox a favor by throwing in Arnie Munoz. If they don't him, then f*** off. PS Rauch is NOT a finesse pitcher even if he doesn't get it up to 94-95 anymore. 91-93 with a sharp 10-6 curve and fast slider is anything BUT finesse. Mark Burhle is finesse and he doesn;t have the advantage of being 6'10'' with tree trunk legs and long arms. Just saying, don't give Rauch or Cotts or Honel away for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 So we can end up with nothing after this season? Well we might as well have one run this year, cause odalis perez isnt gonna do jack for us. We basicly get a #4 starter and a few guys who I'm not very excited about, and lets face it WILL NOT make a difference on this team. We have signed the big names the past few years and each one has done whit to get us back to the playoffs. As far as miller, screw him too. The chance of him acomplishing something in the majors is slim. How many guys have come throufh our sytem and others that havent really done much at all. Borchard, Rauch, Crede, etc etc etc. The chance of prospects living up to the hype is so slim that I think way too much importance is placed on them. Maybe we should get somebody that would make an impact rather than giving up our stud if we want a run at the playoff. Maybe we should just rebuild while were at it? Does jerry reinsdorf lose so much money that we need to cut payroll? I would be astounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Here is a novel idea: keep them BOTH. And Danny Wright in the pen. Boston is close to non-tendering Williamson, correct? They in no position to f*** around with OTHER team's prospects...especially if said team has to keep its cheap talent for SURVIVAL because of the dire financial situ. And Nomar? I like him, but here are a few things that have come to light since: 1. His f***ing wrist. It's like a singer having throat problems, a big deal. 2. His magnificent choke in first 10 playoffs games. 3. His home-away splits in last 3 years. 4. His ever-increasing salary. (up to 12 Mill now) 5. Age (he is 30+) 6. He simply doesn't want to come to the White Sox. Nomar alone isn's worth Magglio and Cotts/Rauch because of the above 6. we are doign Red Sox a favor by throwing in Arnie Munoz. If they don't him, then f*** off. PS Rauch is NOT a finesse pitcher even if he doesn't get it up to 94-95 anymore. 91-93 with a sharp 10-6 curve and fast slider is anything BUT finesse. Mark Burhle is finesse and he doesn;t have the advantage of being 6'10'' with tree trunk legs and long arms. Just saying, don't give Rauch or Cotts or Honel away for nothing. Wonderful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 So you propose rebuilding rather than, actually tring to compete in the weakest division in baseball. Both Nomar and Maggs are in thier walk year. So it's a wash. but we save a little money and come up with Williamson to bolster the Pen. Plus there is supposedly a deal in place to ship Jose out to seattle. This likely wouldn't free up any money. Then there's one more deal, PK. Probably to la for OP or possible a couple prospects. Either way this is the money saving move and allows us to compete while staying around budget... can you fill out a competitive roster with maggs... who is likely to walk anyway. Even with Garcia, Nomar, and Williamson this team isn't good enough to make the playoff (Yes, even in this division). Now, i'm hope i'm wrong and the Sox's win 95+ games, than we can start rebuilding next season, but i don't think this team has is in them to be a playoff team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Dang it. That sucks if we don't get Nomar...forget the deal...its stupid quit acting like your 15, think through the scenerio. If we keep nomar and he doesn't sign next year, what do you think of the trade? you will feel the same way you felt when we didn't sign colon, or alomar, or everett, or sullivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Brandofan you de man! I agree wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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