Guest Hex Rudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I keep hearing about the two Dodger pitching prospects -- Jackson and Miller. Just curious -- how do they stack up against our former prospect, Josh Rupe, who went to Texas for Everett? Jason, I would like to hear your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I keep hearing about the two Dodger pitching prospects -- Jackson and Miller. Just curious -- how do they stack up against our former prospect, Josh Rupe, who went to Texas for Everett? Jason, I would like to hear your opinion. Much more advanced than Rupe at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 If they're THAT good, we ain't gettin' 'em!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I keep hearing about the two Dodger pitching prospects -- Jackson and Miller. Just curious -- how do they stack up against our former prospect, Josh Rupe, who went to Texas for Everett? Jason, I would like to hear your opinion. In my opinion they are the two best pitching prospects in baseball. Both are very far along considering their age and Edwin Jackson could realistically be the 5th starter and beyond that he has the stuff to be a #1 in the majors. He isn't overhyped like a lot of Sox prospects were. I do think Rupe was one of the best the Sox had and at this point Rupe isn't at the level Miller/Jackson are at. Rupe could develop into a #1 prospect, but it will be interesting to see how he handles AA. Miller is rated by most ahead of Jackson. He's a big lefty thats adding weight and as cerb has mentioned will likely add another few mph to his fastball. He has already added some and as he continues to fill out it should be a little more. I can't comment on Miller as much as I can Jackson, since I've seen Jackson pitch a few games and the ball just jumps out of Jackson's arm. I haven't seen that kind of jump out of any pitcher in the southside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Keep in mind that Miller was playing in High A when he still should have been in High School. He left school a year early and would have still been in his senior year when this past season started. He was dominating High A before his HS class graduated. I am not sure of the details on how he got out early. That said, there have been many guys have a break out season their first full year of pro ball and fall back down to earth, so time will tell if he is legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Keep in mind that Miller was playing in High A when he still should have been in High School. He left school a year early and would have still been in his senior year when this past season started. He was dominating High A before his HS class graduated. I am not sure of the details on how he got out early. That said, there have been many guys have a break out season their first full year of pro ball and fall back down to earth, so time will tell if he is legit. Well I know another lefty who had one break out year (Although it wasn't his first) and thats Corwin Malone. I think the thing I notice about Miller is how much he dominated when going up to AA. Its odd to see two guys this far along at their age. I mean one is about 6 months younger then me and another 1 year younger and I can't imagine them already being in AA, then again Lebron James is 2 years younger then me and is busting it up in the NBA. All I know is either of these guys would instantly become the Sox top prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 They both sound intriguing, but are we the only team that gives up prospects to acquire a one year rent-a-player? Love to have them on the Sox, but it seems Evans is not to high on dealing with Kenny. Maybe in the final days of the off season the Dodgers may be forced to give up those prospects for a hitter. My guess, if they do it will be for Magglio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 They both sound intriguing, but are we the only team that gives up prospects to acquire a one year rent-a-player? Love to have them on the Sox, but it seems Evans is not to high on dealing with Kenny. Maybe in the final days of the off season the Dodgers may be forced to give up those prospects for a hitter. My guess, if they do it will be for Magglio. I don't buy all that crap. Evans and Williams have dealt with each other before. Evans will deal with KW if the deal is right for the Dodgers. He will not deal with KW out of desperation if he feels he has no leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Well I know another lefty who had one break out year (Although it wasn't his first) and thats Corwin Malone. I think the thing I notice about Miller is how much he dominated when going up to AA. Its odd to see two guys this far along at their age. I mean one is about 6 months younger then me and another 1 year younger and I can't imagine them already being in AA, then again Lebron James is 2 years younger then me and is busting it up in the NBA. All I know is either of these guys would instantly become the Sox top prospect. Funny, Jas, I almost referenced Corwin in my post, but wasn't sure if his good year was his first or second, and I was too lazy to look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I don't know Rex. Reports out of LA have Evans on the hot seat. The Dodgers have a weak hitting team and need to get some offense. Realizing that anything can happen with the remaining free agents, like Guerrero for instance, I think we may be in a better position to get those propects for Magglio as the real season draws near and the Bums don't have the hitter they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I don't know Rex. Reports out of LA have Evans on the hot seat. The Dodgers have a weak hitting team and need to get some offense. Realizing that anything can happen with the remaining free agents, like Guerrero for instance, I think we may be in a better position to get those propects for Magglio as the real season draws near and the Bums don't have the hitter they need. I agree with you completely..... but that doesn't mean Evans won't deal with KW because he doesn't like him. It means he is trying to get the best deal for his club, while there are still other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I agree with you completely..... but that doesn't mean Evans won't deal with KW because he doesn't like him. It means he is trying to get the best deal for his club, while there are still other options. The question is what options will save him his job and with McCourt, a Boston guy, buying the team, Nomar may be exactly who he wants. I don't know, but the Dodgers want a player they can market, cause if htey don't act fast they soon enough will be playing second fiddle to Anaheim. Thats something I never thought I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I agree with you completely..... but that doesn't mean Evans won't deal with KW because he doesn't like him. It means he is trying to get the best deal for his club, while there are still other options. Then we don't have a difference of opinion here. I just didn't explain my statement well enough. You are right that they both have to look after what's best for their team and act professionally. I meant that Evas is not to keen on giving Kenny anything and everything he wants without helping himself too. Now if that means they can fleece the other in a trade I think they would both do that if it helped their team and that is simply business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 The question is what options will save him his job and with McCourt, a Boston guy, buying the team, Nomar may be exactly who he wants. I don't know, but the Dodgers want a player they can market, cause if htey don't act fast they soon enough will be playing second fiddle to Anaheim. Thats something I never thought I would say. It really is a stunning turn of events isn't it? LA has dominated that market for so long and now Anaheim is right up there with them thanks to 2002. I suppose it is possible that the Dodgers might just go directly to the Red Sox to get Garciaparra and we get left out. Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 It really is a stunning turn of events isn't it? LA has dominated that market for so long and now Anaheim is right up there with them thanks to 2002. I suppose it is possible that the Dodgers might just go directly to the Red Sox to get Garciaparra and we get left out. Maybe? Only problem with that is the Red Sox don't want prospects, they want a left fielder to replace Manny's production which is why they want Magglio. I think when it comes down to it hte Sox will make a deal with the Dodgers and get one of the prospects and Mota and probably Perez, its just going to take time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I think there will be a deal too. I hope we get more than Perez and a prospect for Maggs. Mota, Perez and 2 propects would be the best scenario. Correction: really the best scenerio in my opinion is we keep Ordonez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I think there will be a deal too. I hope we get more than Perez and a prospect for Maggs. Mota, Perez and 2 propects would be the best scenario. Correction: really the best scenerio in my opinion is we keep Ordonez. Mota, Perez and two prospects won't happen....... unless they are fringe prospect who are minor league roster filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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