How do you rank kw as a gm compared to other gm's

[C.Rector]

Reinsdorf will ONLY hire managers/coaches with NO previous managing/coaching experience. (See Phil Jackson, Tim Floyd, Bill Cartwright, Bevington, Lamont, LaRussa, Manuel, etc., now Ozzie!).

 

This is because he (JR) doesn't want ANYONE to question him on anything. (That's also why he hires inexperienced, puppet GMs (Schueler, Williams, Krause, Paxson).

 

Wnat more proof? Any player who ever said anything even remotely critical of the team (Fisk, Ventura, McDowell) were disposed of!

 

JR wants nothing but "yes men" in management roles, and thats what he gets. That is THE reason Ozzie is our manager!

 

:fyou JR!!!

Took a lot of time to get the research done on this rebuttal concerning Jerry Reinsdorf's alleged refusal to hire anyone who was qualified and his alleged dictatorial attitudes. Here goes:

 

 

Experience:

 

Phil Jackson:

 

From:

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/phil_jackson/?nav=page :

 

Jackson played in New York until 1978, when he went to the New Jersey Nets as a player-assistant coach. He retired in 1980 after 13 years in the league, having averaged 6.7 points and 4.3 rebounds over 807 contests.

 

After a year he rejoined the Nets and did some television commentary on television, then he returned to coaching with the Albany Patroons of the Continental Basketball Association, also coaching summers in Puerto Rico. In five seasons in Albany, Jackson steered the Patroons to a league title and won a CBA Coach of the Year Award.

 

Jackson left the Patroons after the 1986-87 season with a 117-90 career record and landed a job as an assistant coach with the Chicago Bulls.

 

Tim Floyd:

From:

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/tim_floyd/?nav=page :

 

Floyd came to the Bulls from Iowa State, where he was hired in May, 1994 5th basketball coach with the reputation as a one of the brightest young coaches in collegiate basketball. Upon his departure, he left as one of the winningest coaches in ISU history.

 

Floyd posted an 81-49 record in his four years at the helm at ISU, and is the only coach in Cyclones history to post three consecutive 20-win seasons and lead the team to three straight first-round NCAA Tournament victories.

 

Bill Cartwright:

 

From:

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/cartwright_bio_010213.html :

 

Prior to taking the reigns as head coach, Cartwright spent six seasons as an assistant coach with the Bulls following his hiring on September 3, 1996. As an assistant under Phil Jackson (1996-98) and Tim Floyd (1998-2001), Cartwright helped the Bulls to the 1997 and 1998 NBA World Championships. Cartwright took control of the big men on the Bulls roster, assisting in the development of the centers and power forwards on the Bulls roster. During his tenure, he helped Elton Brand achieve Rookie of the Year honors in 2000 as the young power forward averaged 20.1 ppg and 10.0 rpg in his first season. He continued those duties initially this season with rookies Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry and the Bulls saw rapid improvement by the teenage big men as both increased their scoring and rebounding throughout each month of the campaign.

 

Terry Bevington:

 

According to the Midwest League List of Managers at http://www.mwlguide.com/managers/ Bevington managed teams at Burlington in 1981 and Beloit in 1982. Later, Bevington became the manager of the Triple-A Sacramento River Cats and guided that team to 2 85-win seasons in 1986 & 1988 (Source: http://www.rivercats.com/doc.asp?ID=53 ). Bevington then joined the White Sox where he was a coach during 1989-1995 according to the Official Site: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp .

And if you want to find out what he's up to these days, check this out: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/html/315958...705BA1CE9.shtml

 

 

 

Gene Lamont:

 

From: http://members.tripod.com/bb_catchers/catchers/mg_lamont.htm :

 

Lamont joined the Royals' organization after retiring as a player in 1977, managing their Single-A Fort Myers club for two years and Double-A Jacksonville for four, finishing first in 1982 (when he was named the Southern League's Manager of the Year) and 1983.

 

After two seasons in Omaha he joined the Pirates' new manager, Jim Leyland, as Pittsburgh's third base coach in 1986.

 

When manager Jeff Torborg left the White Sox to take the same position with the Mets in 1992, Chicago hired Lamont.

 

 

Jerry Manuel:

 

From: http://www.onlineathens.com/1997/120597/1205.s4whitesox.html :

 

Manuel, a .150 career hitter in 96 major-league games over parts of five seasons, has never managed at the big-league level. He does have minor league experience running a team at Indianapolis in 1991 and AA Jacksonville in 1990, where he was Southern League Manager of the Year.

 

And also:

 

Manuel, who spent last season as bench coach beside Jim Leyland as the Florida Marlins won the World Series. For the previous six seasons, he was the third base coach for the Montreal Expos, the last five under Felipe Alou.

 

Tony LaRussa:

 

The Official Site at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp only lists LaRussa as a coach during 1978 before being hired as manager. However, it should be pointed out that it was Bill Veeck who hired LaRussa in the first place, so if you want to blame someone for LaRussa ever becoming manager, then blame him and not Reinsdorf.

 

 

Ron Schueler:

 

The Official Site at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp lists Schueler as a coach during 1980-1982. According to the White Sox Encyclopedia, Schueler held several positions including that of Special Assistant to then Oakland A's GM Sandy Alderson before becoming White Sox GM in 1990.

 

Kenny Williams:

 

Wasn't able to find much about KW prior to his becoming Sox GM in 2000 other than that he was the head of minor league operations.

 

Jerry Krause:

 

Before becoming the Bulls GM in 1985, Krause was a long-time scout for the White Sox.

 

John Paxson:

 

From an ESPN news piece at: http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0411/1537870.html :

 

He was a Bulls assistant for the 1995-96 season, and has been part of Chicago's broadcast team -- both on radio and television -- for the past seven years.

 

Reinsdorf's Alleged Dictatorial Treatment of Others:

 

Carlton Fisk:

 

Has criticized Reinsdorf's management of the team, but that was after he was cut from the team right after he set the record for most games caught. In other words, the criticism came after his being cut and not before.

 

Robin Ventura:

 

I couldn't find anything about how he criticized the team and was allegedly punished for it.

 

Jack McDowell:

 

He just simply wanted more money than management was willing to pay him. This is hardly a case of Reinsdorf's mistreating a player.

 

 

What this all shows is that a lot of the stuff that's been going around about how poorly Reinsdorf runs his sports teams is a lot of nonsense that does not hold up to further scrutiny. Also, if you want to post something to a forum such as SoxTalk, please check out what you've heard before posting it.

[baggio202]

after the 2000 season kenny williams took over a 95 win team with a 35 million dollar payroll and baseball america's number one ranked farm system...3 plus years later and what do we have to show for it???...

 

he got the job primarily on the work he had done in building that farm system in to the number one system in baseball ahead of minor league player development...but look at the results from that farm system he built...it was all smoke and mirrors...the only position player left that looks like like might develop is joe crede..and the starting pitching , which was supposed to be the strongpoint produced buehrle (who at the time wasnt even a prospect and ended up coming out of no where) kip wells who was traded away by the said GM who help develop him...josh fogg (see kip wells)..garland is marginal at best...wright is less than marginal..

 

 

i hope im wrong but i dont see the sox doing anything special until a quality , experienced GM is hired who knows how to build a team on a tight budget...or if reinsdorf sells the team to an owner that will spend money to win...but the combination of tight purse strings and williams have zero experience has proved to be what most would think it would be looking at the situation objectively...a complete disaster...

[C.Rector]

Under KW's reign, the worst that the Sox have done is 81-81 in 2002 and that record is supposed to be a "complete disaster"? Sure shows how spoiled Sox fans have become now that the Allyn/Veeck years of decline and fall have become a distant memory.

[YASNY]

Carlton Fisk:

 

Has criticized Reinsdorf's management of the team, but that was after he was cut from the team right after he set the record for most games caught. In other words, the criticism came after his being cut and not before.

 

No. Incorrect. Pudge was critical of various aspects of the Sox management philosophy while he was playing. One thing I remember specifically was how that he was very upset they traded Baines to Texas.

 

Black Jack was also butting heads with management over the years. I remember this stuff.

[Pastime]

At least Pudge got a motorcycle out of the whole thing. That's not so bad (unless he doesn't know how to drive it).

[YASNY]

At least Pudge got a motorcycle out of the whole thing.  That's not so bad (unless he doesn't know how to drive it).

No problem. Bo knows motorcycles.

[Pastime]

Bo knows hitting. Bo knows running.

 

Bo knows throwing. Bo knows catching.

 

Bo knows Diddly. Bo also knows hip replacement.

 

[SoxAce]

Bo knows hitting.  Bo knows running.

 

Bo knows throwing.  Bo knows catching.

 

Bo knows Diddly.  Bo also knows hip replacement. 

 

Im so glad he played for our sox. Always came through in the clutch. Sad the way he ended his career. (reminded me how Saunders ended his ripping his arm off ) Bo made one of the most ridiculous throws I ever saw from like 400 feet away. (Harold Reynolds should know about that )