israel4ever Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Here is my take... Has anyone here ever been to the HOF? If yes, did you miss Pete Rose not being there? Would it have made your HOF visit better? If not, would you be more willing to go if Pete Rose was inducted? "Charlie Hustler" is a certified liar, he should never get in the HOF. He knowingly violated MLB's rules, and blatantly lied about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Also, Pete admitted to lying now, because in 2005, he would ONLY be eligible for HOF induction via the Veteran's Committee. His chances of induction would decrease greatly if he has to go thru the Vet's Committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Here is my take... Has anyone here ever been to the HOF? If yes, did you miss Pete Rose not being there? Would it have made your HOF visit better? If not, would you be more willing to go if Pete Rose was inducted? "Charlie Hustler" is a certified liar, he should never get in the HOF. He knowingly violated MLB's rules, and blatantly lied about it. YES Ive been to the HOF twice NO I didnt miss him not being there, yes it would have made my HOF visit better ID be more willing to go for a 3rd time if he was inducted, though I dont want him to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Also, Pete admitted to lying now, because in 2005, he would ONLY be eligible for HOF induction via the Veteran's Committee. His chances of induction would decrease greatly if he has to go thru the Vet's Committee. Is he lying now or then to get in the front door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2004 Author Share Posted January 6, 2004 Is he lying now or then to get in the front door? I know I don't believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Here is my take... Has anyone here ever been to the HOF? If yes, did you miss Pete Rose not being there? Would it have made your HOF visit better? If not, would you be more willing to go if Pete Rose was inducted? "Charlie Hustler" is a certified liar, he should never get in the HOF. He knowingly violated MLB's rules, and blatantly lied about it. Good points.....I wish these would be questions on the ESPN Sportsnation poll....I'd like to see the way he's perceived after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Is he lying now or then to get in the front door? Once a liar, always a liar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Once a liar, always a liar! I don't disagree. I just wonder if he isn't admitting to something he didn't do to get where he wants to go, sort of an 'end justifies the means' approach to his 'problem.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhawks1977 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 total advertisement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 I don't disagree. I just wonder if he isn't admitting to something he didn't do to get where he wants to go, sort of an 'end justifies the means' approach to his 'problem.' I doubt it. IIRC they had tons of evidence against him. You don't accuse the all time hits leader in baseball of that kind of a crime with out just cause. Like I said, if anything he ISN'T admitting to stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoarow Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 f*** no to letting Rose in and I am moving this to the Sports Bar where a lengthy thread on this already exists; this forum is for White Sox discussions only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Uhhh oh.....unleash the lions.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 There is a whole thread about Pete on the Sports Bar. Lot of opines there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 SportsNation finds Rose not so sweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2004 Author Share Posted January 7, 2004 f*** no to letting Rose in and I am moving this to the Sports Bar where a lengthy thread on this already exists; this forum is for White Sox discussions only. CW do want to go ahead and combine this with the other one? No point in having multiple threads... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I think combining would be a good idea and you may do the honors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I'm a little late to this topic, but here's my 2 cents. Why are we rewarding rose for lying for 14 or however many years its been? He admitted that he lied to the fans for all of those years and he thinks he's the "nice guy"? C'mon, no way in hell does he deserve to be in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 DONT let Pete in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I have never (to my recollection) copied something from whitesox.com but this is very forceful 14088.120 in reply to 14088.115 Rose has now admitted to gambling on the Reds to win, exactly as the Dowd report says. Where are all of the apologists now?? On July 5th, 1987, the last day that Rose placed a bet on the Reds to win, they were 46-35. He owed his bookies well over $100,000 and had no way or resources to pay them off. The Reds then went 27-40 until the last 2 weeks of the season when he obviously paid off his debts If you are a bookie and the Manager of the Reds (who by the way owes you a lot of money) all of a sudden stops betting on his team to win, what would you do?? The bookies bet on the Reds to lose and that is exactly what they did. He also won two huge Trifectas, one for over $200,000 and the other for over $300,000. What is the likelihood of that happening?? Pete Rose is a sleazeball who compromised the integrity of the game as a Manager. He allowed known gamblers into the locker room, was suspended from Baseball for justifiable reasons, lied about it for the past 13 years and now when he sees that he can't get out of it, admits his guilt in a book that will make him more money. HOF??? NO WAY!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Well heck depending on which felon you want to believe, his ex-bookies say he is still lying. SURPRISE!!! http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-rside07.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I have never (to my recollection) copied something from whitesox.com but this is very forceful 14088.120 in reply to 14088.115 Rose has now admitted to gambling on the Reds to win, exactly as the Dowd report says. Where are all of the apologists now?? On July 5th, 1987, the last day that Rose placed a bet on the Reds to win, they were 46-35. He owed his bookies well over $100,000 and had no way or resources to pay them off. The Reds then went 27-40 until the last 2 weeks of the season when he obviously paid off his debts If you are a bookie and the Manager of the Reds (who by the way owes you a lot of money) all of a sudden stops betting on his team to win, what would you do?? The bookies bet on the Reds to lose and that is exactly what they did. He also won two huge Trifectas, one for over $200,000 and the other for over $300,000. What is the likelihood of that happening?? Pete Rose is a sleazeball who compromised the integrity of the game as a Manager. He allowed known gamblers into the locker room, was suspended from Baseball for justifiable reasons, lied about it for the past 13 years and now when he sees that he can't get out of it, admits his guilt in a book that will make him more money. HOF??? NO WAY!!!!!! Ding-Ding-Ding==== We have a winner!!! I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 DONT let Pete in! Agreed. He's a scumbag who disgraced the game then lied to baseball fans everywhere with a straight face all these years. He can go straight to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Well heck depending on which felon you want to believe, his ex-bookies say he is still lying. SURPRISE!!! http://www.suntimes.com/output/baseball/cst-spt-rside07.html Maybe he didn't pay when he lost and they were embarrassed that they couldnt break his legs because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Updated: 08:46 PM EST Rose Surprised at Initial Reaction to Book Says People Aren't Being Fair; Wants to Be Reinstated, Work in Baseball By RONALD BLUM, AP SPORTS NEW YORK (Jan. 8) -- Pete Rose is an angry man. Pete Rose wants people to read his book before they pass judgment. He feels he's done his part, confessed that he bet on baseball. But instead of absolution, he keeps hearing more condemnation: His apology came too late, was insincere, upstaged the Hall of Fame and brought him more money. "Now you're coming clean, and it's not good enough," he said Thursday during a 30-minute interview with the Associated Press. "It's not right. So how can I win? How can I win if people aren't going to be fair with me?" Now 62, his hair thinner and his tummy chubbier, Charlie Hustle craves a full, free and unconditional pardon from baseball commissioner Bud Selig. He wants to get into the Hall of Fame -- but what he really wants is the chance to manage a major league team again. Rose says a reinstatement with restrictions would be unfair. "I don't know if they would ever say, 'We'll reinstate you but you can't work in baseball.' I don't think that's the American way, I really don't," Rose said. He alternated between pleas for forgiveness and the cockiness he made famous during a record-setting playing career that stretched from 1963 to 1986. Wearing a bright red pullover in a suite at a Manhattan hotel, he sat back and reflected, leaned forward and vented. In his second autobiography, 'Pete Rose: My Prison Without Bars,' he finally confessed that he bet on the Cincinnati Reds while he managed the team in the late 1980s, baseball's capital crime, one that led to the lifetime ban he agreed to in 1989. Rose had hoped the release of the book Thursday would be end of the end of the public debate over whether he deserved a second chance. He would be the first person on the permanent ineligible list to ever gain reinstatement. Instead, initial reaction to excerpts published by Sports Illustrated earlier this week was largely negative. Hall of Fame vice chairman Joe Morgan, his former Reds teammate, condemned the commercial aspect of the confession and saw no contrition. "I'm kind of surprised that people are jumping the gun before they read the book," Rose said. "I thought I was remorseful when I needed to be remorseful in here. And I must tell you that it's hard to be remorseful on paper. You know, talking to you or talking into a camera, it's a lot easier to be remorseful because you can look at me and hear my tone and things like that." He professes to understand Selig's plight. Rose admitted to Selig in November 2002 that he bet on baseball. And while the commissioner, according to his aides, appreciates Rose's popularity with fans, he also wonders whether to fear another foulup by the career hits leader, whose dark side was exposed to the public during that sordid summer of 1989. "I understand that Bud has to be 150 percent sure, because he can't take a chance of being embarrassed," Rose said. "His reputation's at stake... I don't think anything in that book is going to make him feel less about me than when he woke up this morning." But just a few minutes later, he balks when asked how he would respond if baseball asked him to stop his legal betting at racetracks as a prerequisite for a return. "I would do anything they say," he repeats several times, "but they also have to understand one of my means of entertainment is periodically going to the races." Dr. J. Randolph Hillard, chairman of the psychiatry department at the University of Cincinnati, saw Rose shortly after the ban began and concluded that he had a "clinically significant gambling disorder" and should never gamble on anything. Rose initially supported Hillard, then changed his mind. He says his gambling now is completely legal and only periodic. He tries to avoid discussion of details of the gambling that led to his outlaw status. He won't address claims by his former associates that he placed bets from the clubhouse -- a charge he denied in the book -- and denied accusations that he refused to bet on the Reds when pitchers Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson started. "I'm here to tell you that I bet on baseball, and who cares if I bet on so and so," he said. Morgan and others said Rose should have made his admission at a news conference, not in a for-profit venture. "I didn't do this book for money, I did the book to explain myself," is Rose's response. "The people who don't like it will say, 'You're selling your confession.' I confessed 14 months ago." And he brushes aside the anger from people who were upset the book came out this week, taking attention away from the election of Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley to the Hall of Fame. Rose said the publication date was set by the publisher and that if details of the book hadn't leaked out in advance, everything would have been OK. "It seems like no matter what I do, it's wrong," he said. "I mean, if I waited 'til March, I'd have been interfering with spring training. If I waited 'til the All-Star Game, I'm trying to take away from the All-Star Game?" He hopes all the controversy won't hurt his chances for the Hall of Fame, if he ever becomes eligible on the ballot. He doesn't think the voters will hold it against him. "The writers are fair," he said. "They are some writers that won't vote for anybody." At times, it seems like the his primary comfort is the fans, the ones who cheered as he got a record 4,256 hits, the ones who cheered him during on-field appearances at the World Series in 1999 and 2002. He can recite accomplishments and recollections of old feats as if they occurred yesterday. The confidence is still there, the hunger to achieve, the willpower he thinks that can carry through any trouble. But the ban and the five-month prison term he served on tax charges did pierce that tough Ohio armor in one unexpected way. "I'm not the same guy today as I was 15 years ago," he said. "You know, I hug my kids and my boys now. And I kiss my boys, I tell them I love them. "You know," he said, "I was a tough guy." 01/08/04 20:30 EST Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. 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