jasonxctf Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 there has been no news on Alomar that I know of.. I'd bet he re-signs with the Sox for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I don't think Robbie could resign with the Sox until May 5th? I am not sure he would want to anyway after being jerked around. I see him landing in St Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I don't think Robbie could resign with the Sox until May 5th? I am not sure he would want to anyway after being jerked around. I see him landing in St Louis. It is actually May 1st that Robbie could resign here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I believe he can sign before then but can't play for us, not sure though. I would like this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I believe he can sign before then but can't play for us, not sure though. I would like this deal. Actually I am pretty sure, technically we aren't even allowed to talk to him before May 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Actually I am pretty sure, technically we aren't even allowed to talk to him before May 1. The only case of this as I remember it was when Tim Raines played for the Expos on May 1st and did something huge. Not sure what the deal was wuith this or I amy be way wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 From General Transaction Rules Free Agency and Compensation A player that has accrued 6 complete years or more of service time at the end of a season and does not have a contract is eligible for filing for free agency, after which the player can sign with any team he wants. To receive compensation for a player that signs with another team, the team must offer the player salary arbitration. The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by December 7 or will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has until December 19 to either accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until January 7th, after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1. The compensation formula is based off a negotiated formula, heavy on triple crown stats, for the previous 2 seasons. Type A players are those that rank in the top 30% of his position. Type B players are those that rank below top 30% but still in the top 50%. Type C players are those that rank in the top 60% but not the top 50%. A type players fetch the 1st-round draft pick of teams in the top half of W-L record or a 2nd-round draft pick of teams in the bottom half of W-L record and an additional pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds. B types don't get the sandwich pick and C type players fetch a sandwich between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The higher the player's ranking in the compensation formula, the higher priority the old team gets in acquiring draft picks. Something that's never mentioned is that there are still limits to the type of free agents that teams may sign. If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota. Major League free agents come with an automatic no-trade clause until after the next June 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hey Steff, where did you find that stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hey Steff, where did you find that stuff? It wasn't easy.. You have to do a search of a specific MLB rule.. then follow a bunch of links to get to the complete General Transaction Rules. I only had that one because some jerk called me a liar when I said the Sox could not talk to Carl since he signed somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 It wasn't easy.. You have to do a search of a specific MLB rule.. then follow a bunch of links to get to the complete General Transaction Rules. I only had that one because some jerk called me a liar when I said the Sox could not talk to Carl since he signed somewhere else. I've looked a few times and never could navigate to any of those rules in print. Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I've looked a few times and never could navigate to any of those rules in print. Thanks for the heads up. I'll see if I can find the mother load later tonight. I know they are all in one place.. it just takes forever to find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I'll see if I can find the mother load later tonight. I know they are all in one place.. it just takes forever to find them. Good luck and I appreciate if you find them if you wouldn't mind passing them on. I have just never had the motivation to search that hard. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 So you couldn't sign someone and trade them, for instance Everett could not be traded from Montreal until after mid June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 That's great info to have Steff. I appreciate your determination to get the info. I know that you must have been fuming when you were challenged like that. Now answer me this, Rex and Steff, I don't think we signed Schonenweis did we? I thought it was just as stated in the rules that we offered to negotiate or arbitration. Doesn't mean we have or will sign him only that we have more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 That's great info to have Steff. I appreciate your determination to get the info. I know that you must have been fuming when you were challenged like that. Now answer me this, Rex and Steff, I don't think we signed Schonenweis did we? I thought it was just as stated in the rules that we offered to negotiate or arbitration. Doesn't mean we have or will sign him only that we have more time. It means if we don't sign him before his arbit hearing that both sides will stand up and each submit a number that they think he should be paid, and then argue it out before a judge who will give a final answer on an amount for a one year contract. Based on the arguements the judge will pick the one amount (teams or players) that he thinks is more apt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 It means if we don't sign him before his arbit hearing that both sides will stand up and each submit a number that they think he should be paid, and then argue it out before a judge who will give a final answer on an amount for a one year contract. Based on the arguements the judge will pick the one amount (teams or players) that he thinks is more apt. Either way then he stays with the Sox? At least that's how I take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Either way then he stays with the Sox? At least that's how I take it. Yes. He will be with us next year, unless we trade his rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I'll see if I can find the mother load later tonight. I know they are all in one place.. it just takes forever to find them. Steff has always been of the best researchers of soxtalk where I ever to hire someone to do research, Steff would be first choice always her skills and tenacity are impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 her skills and tenacity are impressive We KNOW, she keeps reminding us....over and over and over and over...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 We KNOW, she keeps reminding us....over and over and over and over...... Well.. if your damn heads weren't so hard I wouldn't have to repeat myself so much!! Thanks for the compliments Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Well.. if your damn heads weren't so hard I wouldn't have to repeat myself so much!! Thanks for the compliments Vince. Yeah, you wouldn't HAVE to....but you still would.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Yeah, you wouldn't HAVE to....but you still would.... Yikes.. some of you know me so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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