JDsDirtySox Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 670 AM The Score just reported in their latest update that the Sox are again talking to L.A. about a possible deal involving Konerko. Offman went on to say the Sox want to sign Ponson but first have to move salary. Nothing new, but I just find it interesting that Konerko talk is coming up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Thanks for posting this, I hadn't heard it. This does not surprise me. It has been really quiet the past 2-3 weeks but that's normal as baseball basically shuts down for the two holiday weeks with agents, execs, players, on holiday. Next week we'll begin to see things really pick up in terms of discussions, signings, etc. There are a ton of free agents out there. Whether that will include the White Sox or not, who knows. I still believe that either Konerko or Ordonez will be traded. It wouldn't shock me if they both went in the same deal, if it were the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 They just stated the same thing again, but this time they added that the Sox are simply trying to get prospects for Konerko, not Odalis Perez. They would then offer the cash saved to Ponson. They keep saying this info is from White Sox sources, but who knows. Atleast we can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Any mention of which prospects we'd be getting? (I hope there isn't 2 (or more) guys in the Dodger organization with the same name AGAIN!!! D'oh!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 all this for a guy who has the following combined records for the past 5 yrs. YEAR W-L ERA IP 1999 12-12 4.71 210 2000 9-13 4.82 222 2001 5-10 4.94 138 2002 7-9 4.09 176 2003 17-12 3.75 216 COMBINED W-L 50-56 ERA 4.44 dare I say.. Todd Ritchie+ 30LBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 all this for a guy who has the following combined records for the past 5 yrs. YEAR W-L ERA IP 1999 12-12 4.71 210 2000 9-13 4.82 222 2001 5-10 4.94 138 2002 7-9 4.09 176 2003 17-12 3.75 216 COMBINED W-L 50-56 ERA 4.44 dare I say.. Todd Ritchie+ 30LBS There is no way that Sidney Ponson could ever become as bad as Ritchie is now and as quickly as he became bad. The only way Ponson could blow up is with injuries. Otherwise, Ponson and Ritchie should not be compared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Hey, I'll take Ponson over Schoeneweis anyday. At least this shows that they're trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 dare I say.. Todd Ritchie+ 30LBS LOL.. He's taller than 6' (Jim is 6' and he's at least 2 inches taller) and listed at 249 lbs. That's pretty ideal, and definitely not 30 lbs overweight. Even if he was 260 it would not be "overweight". Why don't you guys wait until you see him again before you bash him anymore. He's been on a pretty intense program since November 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 i just cant get over the fact we let Bartolo Colon go. Oh well.. time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Konerko for Ponson and a prospect sounds like a good deal to me. Although keeping Konerko and signing Ponson sounds like a major league organization addresing their needs. After watching the hawks last eve I need to continue reminding myself that Chicago is a big city. Traffic this morning was all I needed to remind me. FYI, the roof supports are going up although the braces for the upperdeck structure are kind of scary. I'd hate to see the entire upperdeck collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 LOL.. He's taller than 6' (Jim is 6' and he's at least 2 inches taller) and listed at 249 lbs. That's pretty ideal, and definitely not 30 lbs overweight. Even if he was 260 it would not be "overweight". Why don't you guys wait until you see him again before you bash him anymore. He's been on a pretty intense program since November 1st. Steff, who are you talking about? I assume Ponson and not Ritchie? Just wanted to make sure before I step in it. I hope we don't trade Konerko for simply prospects. We trade an established star who hits for average and power, except for one medoicre year in '03, and we are ready to send him off for a package of minor league maybes. We don't have a good track record with LA anyway. I am not sold on Ponson either. There is no positive consistency yet which would make me want to dish out $5M or $6M for him. If he signs for maybe $3M plus incentives then we should think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I just heard it also about 10 mi ago. Good i hope this deal will go through, this will free up payroll not only for ponson but we will hopefully get some real good prospects and also we will have ponson for my guess 3 years, and have konerko and his 9 mil salary off the books for next year. The sox should have about 20 mil to spend next offseason if they don;t keep maggs and valentin. which they should lock up elo in the middle of the season if he is ass good as last year. Next years free agent outlook is supposed to be good. I just hope this works out for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 .... this will free up payroll not only for ponson but we will hopefully get some real good prospects and also we will have ponson for my guess 3 years, and have konerko and his 9 mil salary off the books for next year. The sox should have about 20 mil to spend next offseason if they don;t keep maggs and valentin. which they should lock up elo in the middle of the season if he is ass good as last year. Next years free agent outlook is supposed to be good. I just hope this works out for us. I respect your opinion, but all I would really agree with here is that we should resign Esteban Loaiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Konerko for Ponson and a prospect sounds like a good deal to me. Although keeping Konerko and signing Ponson sounds like a major league organization addresing their needs. After watching the hawks last eve I need to continue reminding myself that Chicago is a big city. Traffic this morning was all I needed to remind me. FYI, the roof supports are going up although the braces for the upperdeck structure are kind of scary. I'd hate to see the entire upperdeck collapse. Sidney is a FA.. can't trade for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Steff, who are you talking about? I assume Ponson and not Ritchie? Just wanted to make sure before I step in it. I am not sold on Ponson either. There is no positive consistency yet which would make me want to dish out $5M or $6M for him. If he signs for maybe $3M plus incentives then we should think about it. Yes, talking about Sidney. And I agree with your concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 no way in hell i give the least bit of excitement for this deal. How many times have these talks with LA been talked about. It's not gonna happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 there is no reason to be excited about anything really - and I don't mean that negatively - every year scores (or more, hundreds, who knows the exact proportions) of trades get discussed to every one that happens - this stuff gets talked about all the time - SCORE needs something to report on an otherwise slow Monday - I have no doubt people are talking but no point in any of us holding our breath - if it happens it does, if it doesn't it doesn't like so many other possibilities bandied about if a deal is really going down, more likely than not it will not be public knowledge until it happens - it wouldn't stun me if it happens or stun me if it didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Right now, I'm so over everything that I am just sick of hearing rumors. I'm just going to wait, no point in getting overly exciting. This is how the entire offseason has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 i just cant get over the fact we let Bartolo Colon go. Oh well.. time to move on. I can. That lump of s*** is not worth $13 mill a year. Congrats to him on getting it, but he is not worth that much, no how, no way. He'd have to post the same type of numbers he did in 2002 to even be close to being worth $13 mill. Ponson is Colon without the getting stronger part. And Ponson is younger too. I'd gladly take Ponson to replace Colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I can. That lump of s*** is not worth $13 mill a year. Congrats to him on getting it, but he is not worth that much, no how, no way. He'd have to post the same type of numbers he did in 2002 to even be close to being worth $13 mill. Ponson is Colon without the getting stronger part. And Ponson is younger too. I'd gladly take Ponson to replace Colon. Excellent post. Ponson could very well be a horse for us. And hey, EVERY free agent pitcher is a gamble. Any major league pitcher's arm could go out at any time. There are very few freaks of nature like Clemons, Nolan Ryan, Maddux, etc. who pitch forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I'd be quite happy w/ Ponson. Every year we need that one big guy that will lower the mound a couple inches (Wells, Colon, who's next Sabathia?) Ponson seems to be a good inning eater, and we definitely could use something like that this year. As for the Konerko deal, I'll believe it when I see it. I would like it to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I was out for almost a week and didnt log in here so I can surprise myself if any deal happens. But heck, still no moves made by the SOX I guess rumors are overrated now. I'll be happy if something gets done to make our team better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I liked Colon alot, but I think the Angels over payed for him (purposely on their part) and Ponson would be a suitable replacement. The "innings eater" aspect is what I like best about him, even if last year was a complete mirage and he goes back to a 4.10-4.50 ERA at least he helps save the bullpen. I think every team needs 1 or 2 of these type pitchers, even if they're the 3 or 4th starter, and I think with Buehrle eating big innings adding Ponson could help an average bullpen by preventing overuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I think this shows that Evans is startin to get really desperate, and he knows that he MUST make a move soon, whether it's for Maggs stoopin to KW's askin price or goin with Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I think this shows that Evans is startin to get really desperate, and he knows that he MUST make a move soon, whether it's for Maggs stoopin to KW's askin price or goin with Konerko. The Dodgers were trying to get Konerko earlier, but passed when KW wouldn't give him up cheap enough. If they are re-visiting that trade for less than the Perez and Mota they looked at earlier, it certainly doesn't make me think Evans is getting desparate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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