The Critic Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 my take: 1. KW likes Willie Harris. He made the Singleton deal to acquire him and he wants to see if he can play. Guillen likes to run so he probably agreed to take a serious look at him. And JR likes Willie 'cause the price is right. 2. Flash priced himself way out of our budget. The Yankees (and maybe the Red Sox) who would be willing to pay an old, injury-prone guy $7 million to be a set up guy. That was a money deal. 3. My guess with Graff is that he just wanted to go elsewhere. Why KC, I dunno? He's from New York City and came up in the Braves' farm system. So I don't know the connection. 4. Sully is a guy who has thrown a ton of innings the last four years. No way the Sox were going to pay him $2-3 million to be a set up guy. 5. Bartolo was about the money. 6. Carl Everett also too expensive, especially when the Sox have cheaper alternatives in Rowand, Borchard and Reed. I cannot disagree with anything in this post. Nicely played, WU83. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUCKREINSDORF Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I don't mind.No big loss.His batting skills are diminishing.He won't be the Alomar of 1993,that's for sure.I'm more pissed about losing Colon and Graffanino. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I cannot disagree with anything in this post. Nicely played, WU83. Yup, I think you are dead on. Nice to see a very well thought out, reasoned post that doesn't knee-jerk trash management every time somebody signs somewhere else. I too am baffled about Graffanino. I could see him going to the Red Sox, I would've said oh well. You sorta have to put yourself in the guy's shoes. You're born and raised in Long Island and to go back east, well, it makes sense. But Kansas City? And he's not even gonna start there, he'll platoon at best. I bet it relates to Harris. They probably told Graffanino that Harris would get first crack at the starting job and Graffanino said "fuhgeddaboudit". Plus the fact that Reinsdorf said TG was his personal fave. It's just odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 my take: 1. KW likes Willie Harris. He made the Singleton deal to acquire him and he wants to see if he can play. Guillen likes to run so he probably agreed to take a serious look at him. And JR likes Willie 'cause the price is right. 2. Flash priced himself way out of our budget. The Yankees (and maybe the Red Sox) who would be willing to pay an old, injury-prone guy $7 million to be a set up guy. That was a money deal. 3. My guess with Graff is that he just wanted to go elsewhere. Why KC, I dunno? He's from New York City and came up in the Braves' farm system. So I don't know the connection. 4. Sully is a guy who has thrown a ton of innings the last four years. No way the Sox were going to pay him $2-3 million to be a set up guy. 5. Bartolo was about the money. 6. Carl Everett also too expensive, especially when the Sox have cheaper alternatives in Rowand, Borchard and Reed. 1. I'd rather give Harris a shot and find out what he can do than waste a year with a swiftly declining Robby Alomar. 2. Agreed. Can't fault KW for this one. Plus, fwiw, we do get the draft picks. 3. Who knows why TG bailed? Perhaps he just wanted a fresh start somewhere. 4. Agreed again. Sully's arm may fall off by May the way the Reds used him. 5. AS you said, $$$$$. Simple fact. 6. Cheaper alternatives and no place to fit him in. He's certainly not a quality CF'er. He was a good clubhouse guy, but he just didn't fit anywhere in our lineup. The only way I could see it happening would be to move Carlos to 1B and put Everett in LF. That would weaken two positions defensively, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 "I have made a lot of money in this game," Alomar said. "I'm the kind of person that loves the game and money wasn't the issue. If money would have been the issue, than I would have gone some place else. But to me, money wasn't the issue. I just wanted to be in a good environment, with good people, a good team that has a chance to win. I think the Diamondbacks were the answer for me." D-Backs ink Alomar for one year Hmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 D-Backs ink Alomar for one year Hmmm..... wow, what a slap in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Ha he's such a hypocrite....It seemed to be all about money when KW offered him the $2M deal.....I'm glad Willie's getting a chance though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I get the feeling Guillen, Cora and KW are not attrative guys to come and work for and this does not bode well.... Say what you want but nobody really went out of their way to play here except Alomar and I get the feeling he wasn't getting offers anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Ha he's such a hypocrite....It seemed to be all about money when KW offered him the $2M deal.....I'm glad Willie's getting a chance though. you think so? I am not asking to fight, I am asking because I ponder the question: given everyone involved has egos, etc., and all, isn't it true that every ballplayer in this "possible declining years" scenario will take a smaller amount of money from a new team rather than accept a cut from the old team because to stay on the old team when your salary is cut is a loss of face but to go to a new team means the ego doesn't get involved when KW cut the offer, that was pretty much a way of saying goodbye anyway and I thought it was curious since the Alomars have a tw0 generation connection to the Sox (Sr. having played for us) and as we are grooming Jr. to be a coach, KW wouldn't insult Robbie with the slashed offer unless everyone knew Roibbie was leaving anyway OR his skills have declined more than we realize but they all know it I am just thinking out loud, not arguing with anyone here or even stating a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 you think so? I am not asking to fight, I am asking because I ponder the question: given everyone involved has egos, etc., and all, isn't it true that every ballplayer in this "possible declining years" scenario will take a smaller amount of money from a new team rather than accept a cut from the old team because to stay on the old team when your salary is cut is a loss of face but to go to a new team means the ego doesn't get involved when KW cut the offer, that was pretty much a way of saying goodbye anyway and I thought it was curious since the Alomars have a tw0 generation connection to the Sox (Sr. having played for us) and as we are grooming Jr. to be a coach, KW wouldn't insult Robbie with the slashed offer unless everyone knew Roibbie was leaving anyway OR his skills have declined more than we realize but they all know it I am just thinking out loud, not arguing with anyone here or even stating a fact I really understand what you're saying there; in fact, I agree w/ about all of it. It's just funny to hear him say that it's not about the money is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I really do hope I'm wrong but I can't see Harris being the answer. Ditto this new ss we got. You've got to wonder what's going on when Robbie, who has a beloved brother with the Sox, signs with another team for $1 million. I will miss the fact Robbie was a defensive whiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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