DBAHO Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Deals are in the works in Detroit, from Ken Rosenthal. A surprise team has emerged in the Pudge Rodriguez derby -- if you can still call it that. The Detroit Tigers. Sources have told Sporting News' Ken Rosenthal that as interest in the free-agent catcher has waned, the Tigers are sensing an opportunity to snatch up the former MVP. The move would be another solid step toward improving the moribund franchise, making them solid up the middle with the addition of Fernando Vina and, eventually, Carlos Guillen. Several teams were interested in Rodriguez, but his asking price scared most into finding cheaper alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Deals are in the works in Detroit, from Ken Rosenthal. A surprise team has emerged in the Pudge Rodriguez derby -- if you can still call it that. The Detroit Tigers. Sources have told Sporting News' Ken Rosenthal that as interest in the free-agent catcher has waned, the Tigers are sensing an opportunity to snatch up the former MVP. The move would be another solid step toward improving the moribund franchise, making them solid up the middle with the addition of Fernando Vina and, eventually, Carlos Guillen. Several teams were interested in Rodriguez, but his asking price scared most into finding cheaper alternatives. he wont help them he only has 1-2 good years left and they still have no pitching. there for it is no use signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 If I-Rod has any pride in himself he won't sign with Detroit. What kind of offer could Detroit possibly present to make him bear a 100 loss season? Whatever that offer is.....He better not be thinking of anything crazy; like signing with the Cubs for a lower price. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I saw this thread title and thought "Fisk and Ozzie?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 I saw this thread title and thought "Fisk and Ozzie?". It's got the same ring to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 There is only one Pudge and he wore 72. White Sox stars mean so little to us we give their nicknames to others? As far as Detroit, it should not be forgotten that the GM who built the Marlins (other than the series win) is Detroit's GM and Trammel has a good rep. Throw in some attendance incentives and there is all the reason in the world to go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 There is only one Pudge and he wore 72. White Sox stars mean so little to us we give their nicknames to others? As far as Detroit, it should not be forgotten that the GM who built the Marlins (other than the series win) is Detroit's GM and Trammel has a good rep. Throw in some attendance incentives and there is all the reason in the world to go there. Absolutely correct. Trammel, Gibson and Parrish will put the roar back in the Tigers. I do believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Absolutely correct. Trammel, Gibson and Parrish will put the roar back in the Tigers. I do believe that. Watching them as I per force must since they are the in state team, I do agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Absolutely correct. Trammel, Gibson and Parrish will put the roar back in the Tigers. I do believe that. They'll be even bigga players in FA in the next offseason. Bobby Higginson's 15 million contract comes off da books, and they should use that money to go afta 2 quality starters since their ballpark is a pitcher's park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 It is going to be years for the Tigers. They are so not even close, it isn't even funny. They are building that team all wrong. Pitching and defense is the only thing that is going to do it for them playing in that canyon of a ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 There is only one Pudge and he wore 72. White Sox stars mean so little to us we give their nicknames to others? I have no problem with "Pudge" Rodriguez. To me, Fisk will always be #27 in Boston waving that homer fair. Ugh.... I don't know much about him, but was Fisk called Pudge while in Boston, or was that coined here? Not a fan of Fisk, never was. Odd, too, because when I was a kid, all my heroes were catchers and goalies. Bench, Sanguillen, Downing ( before he moved to LF ), Tenace ( he played every IF postion except SS, too, that was cool ) - all childhood faves. But not Fisk - he just seemed angry or something to me. Besides, there've been tons of "Bull"s, "Iron Mike"s, etc etc, so I think there's room for 2 Pudges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 It is going to be years for the Tigers. They are so not even close, it isn't even funny. They are building that team all wrong. Pitching and defense is the only thing that is going to do it for them playing in that canyon of a ballpark. And the Marlins sucked that bad a couple of years ago too (well not 43-119 bad but they were bad). It doesn't take that long IF you commit to winning in a way that doesn't strap you so far down for cash that you can't make moves (see Rangers). The Sox could win too if they spent just $10 million more. And I bet they'd make it up in revenues too because the on field product would be $10 million better in gate receipts. Oh what the hell, who am I kidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 And the Marlins sucked that bad a couple of years ago too (well not 43-119 bad but they were bad). It doesn't take that long IF you commit to winning in a way that doesn't strap you so far down for cash that you can't make moves (see Rangers). The Sox could win too if they spent just $10 million more. And I bet they'd make it up in revenues too because the on field product would be $10 million better in gate receipts. Oh what the hell, who am I kidding? Heh wait a minute now... we can compete with the Tigers anyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The Tigers will be a draw for pitchers and they can pick up speed. That being the case you can see the mid-80's Cardinals for a blueprint. Juanquin Andujar and John Tudor looked like HOf'ers with that defense. Imagine Maddux pitching in the cold in that park with a speedy outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The Tigers can improve by 20 games and still lose 99. But about 2006 or 2007 they might be contenders. Or maybe a little longer. Nothing will happen overnight. We had our 106 game loss season in 1970 and while we flirted with contending in 72 briefly (all too briefly) it wasn't until 77 that we were in it to the fall. It might take them as long - they do have not much (to say the least) in the farm system, a few good young pitchers, not much else, and a very good GM and a manager who did get Manager of the Year vote(s) this last year (2003) and may be very good at what he is doing int time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The Tigers young pitching is not all that bad. Mike Maroth is not as bad as his 20 losses and a lot of those guys made the Sox hitters look silly this year. They defiantly do need to get some proven starters and pen men. Young people too, not a Greg Maddox. Bartolo would have been a good fit there since he tends to give up long balls a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 how much would it suck if detroit ends up winning the division again before we do?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The Tigers young pitching is not all that bad. Mike Maroth is not as bad as his 20 losses and a lot of those guys made the Sox hitters look silly this year. They defiantly do need to get some proven starters and pen men. Young people too, not a Greg Maddox. Bartolo would have been a good fit there since he tends to give up long balls a lot. They made the Sox look silly. Some posters on here could make the Sox hitters look silly, so be careful what you say. Though I do agree that they have a good young staff. I like Maroth a lot and I really like Cornejo. If KW could get Cornejo without giving up much, I would like it. I think the guy had 15-18 wins written all over him with a good team within the next 2-3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 how much would it suck if detroit ends up winning the division again before we do?? They will, don't worry. <_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 It is going to be years for the Tigers. They are so not even close, it isn't even funny. They are building that team all wrong. Pitching and defense is the only thing that is going to do it for them playing in that canyon of a ballpark. I believe that they are trying to put a team on the field this year that won't be QUITE so terrible. They'll still be able to build the team for the long run around what they've done this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 The problem with the Tigers is that they have nothing in the minors, no help on the way. And Fisk was nicknamed Pudge as a kid, so yeah he had the nickname in Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 The problem with the Tigers is that they have nothing in the minors, no help on the way. And Fisk was nicknamed Pudge as a kid, so yeah he had the nickname in Boston. I think they only hav Kyle Sleeth pretty much as their stud pitching prospect, that's what they should be drafting ova the next 5 years. Guillen and Vina are a nice infield combo now, and once Bobby Higginson comes off da books, they can sign sum1 big next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I think they only hav Kyle Sleeth pretty much as their stud pitching prospect, that's what they should be drafting ova the next 5 years. Guillen and Vina are a nice infield combo now, and once Bobby Higginson comes off da books, they can sign sum1 big next year. True but if they sign someone big I would think it would have to be a pitcher, as I don't imagine many hitters wanting to play in such a big park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 True but if they sign someone big I would think it would have to be a pitcher, as I don't imagine many hitters wanting to play in such a big park. Exactly rite. When Higginson's 15 million salary ends, they should use that money to sign 2 front end starters in their rotation. German's gonna be a good closer eventually as well. Don't forget Jeff Weaver had success there as well, so a good pitcher will succeed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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