bulokis Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Here's the hot stove report for today. I hope the Angels are really crazy to deal Washburn for Konerko. Angels: Even before the Orioles appeared close to signing Palmeiro, the Angels' interest waned because they prefer a younger player who can man the position every day. With that in mind, the Angels will likely make a trade for a first baseman. Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio in Chicago reported that a Jarrod Washburn-for-Paul Konerko deal could be forthcoming. The Los Angeles Times reported that the Angels still have interest in free agents Travis Lee and Fick, and have inquired about Chris Singleton as a backup outfielder. mlb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I'm happy with that deal, any1 know how much Washburn's makin this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred3535 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Around 4 million. I would be much happier with that deal than a Konerko for Weaver deal, which is what is being discussed with the Dodgers, correct? Especially since Weaver makes 8 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I will be the first to say... I want Konerko to stay. I don't think he has reached his prime yet, and I don't consider Washburn or Perez that special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 i cant see the angels pulling the trigger on that deal..konerko for washburn straight up???...id make it in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I'm happy with that deal, any1 know how much Washburn's makin this year? If KW can pull this deal off, I'd crap my pants...just metaphorically of course. I believe Washburn signed a 3 or 4 year deal after the won the WS to avoid the rest of arbitration. Not sure on the money. All I know if he is due $4 mil this year according to espn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred3535 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I would like Konerko to stay too, as I think he'll rebound from last year and is one of my favorite players on the Sox. However, I'd rather the team be good than it be mediocre and have him around. It is much easier to find a good first baseman (perhaps Simon, if this deal goes through) than a good starting pitcher. It also makes monetary sense, since the Sox will save 4 million dollars if the trade happens, which they could use to fill other holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I will be the first to say... I want Konerko to stay. I don't think he has reached his prime yet, and I don't consider Washburn or Perez that special. My thinkin is that Washburn won 18 games in 2002 and was their best pitcher that year. He would make a fine no. 3 starter and then we wouldn't need any1 else, with Diaz Shoe, Rauch and Cotts fightin it out for the #5 spot in our rotation. Also with the 4 mill we save we can pick up a 1B and a reliever for da pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 My thinkin is that Washburn won 18 games in 2002 and was their best pitcher that year. He would make a fine no. 3 starter and then we wouldn't need any1 else, with Diaz Shoe, Rauch and Cotts fightin it out for the #5 spot in our rotation. Also with the 4 mill we save we can pick up a 1B and a reliever for da pen. y is wright not considerd a 5th possible starter??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred3535 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 y is wright not considerd a 5th possible starter??? He probably is, but I don't want him there because if he ever is pitching well (which isn't that often to begin with), he always breaks down by the fifth inning when teams get used to his stuff. He was much better last year as a middle reliever and I hope that's where he's pitching this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 y is wright not considerd a 5th possible starter??? Wright was givin the opportunity this year for the 5th starters spot when cotts strugged. He didn't produce. The sox feel better if he was a long man.(even though I don't like that eigher. He gives up WAY too many hrs.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Wow. We make this trade and the entire off season may flip. Pitching wins ball games folks, and championships. That's gotta be one of the best 3 in the AL easily one of the best 4 in the MLB in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Wright was givin the opportunity this year for the 5th starters spot when cotts strugged. He didn't produce. The sox feel better if he was a long man.(even though I don't like that eigher. He gives up WAY too many hrs.) Some ppl feel he could turn into a stud in da pen like Eric Gagne did for LA when he couldn't make it as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Stoneman was quoted in the LA Times this morning as saying he has absolutely no plan on dealing any of his pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Stoneman was quoted in the LA Times this morning as saying he has absolutely no plan on dealing any of his pitching. Well currently they hav Colon, Washburn, Ramon Ortiz, Kelvin Escobar and either Sele or Scott Shields. I can see em dealin one of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Stoneman was quoted in the LA Times this morning as saying he has absolutely no plan on dealing any of his pitching. OUCH ...but now that Raffy's off the market....That definitely helps our chances at a off the wall deal like this going through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred3535 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Stoneman was quoted in the LA Times this morning as saying he has absolutely no plan on dealing any of his pitching. Kenny says lots of things...does that mean that any of them are true? That's what I thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Some ppl feel he could turn into a stud in da pen like Eric Gagne did for LA when he couldn't make it as a starter. I actually told someone the same thing you said. But gagne's case is different. He had to figure out another pitch (changeup) to be effective with his hard fastball and he changed his delivery. If wright could get his fastball back how he had it in the minors (i think it was about 95-97mph) and figures out his "out" pitch with new mechanics, he can be a very good closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Wright was givin the opportunity this year for the 5th starters spot when cotts strugged. He didn't produce. The sox feel better if he was a long man.(even though I don't like that eigher. He gives up WAY too many hrs.) I'm rather tired of losing games because of countless walks. Make the other team beat you! Don't hand anything to them. Wright cannot get his breaking ball over, walks too many because of it, then loses confidence and tries to "steer" it in with nothing on it and then gets "jacked"! Sorry! Many may disagree with me, but when Wright pitches, I've had about enough of watching base runners revolve around like a marbel lighting up the specials on a pinball machine! He has had more than enough chances! The guy simply cannot cut it as a starter! Don't mean to offend anyone out there! Just want someone with a proven reliable track record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I'm rather tired of losing games because of countless walks. Make the other team beat you! Don't hand anything to them. Wright cannot get his breaking ball over, walks too many because of it, then loses confidence and tries to "steer" it in with nothing on it and then gets "jacked"! Sorry! Many may disagree with me, but when Wright pitches, I've had about enough of watching base runners revolve around like a marbel lighting up the specials on a pinball machine! He has had more than enough chances! The guy simply cannot cut it as a starter! Don't mean to offend anyone out there! Just want someone with a proven reliable track record! First off welcome abord. As a fellow newbie myself, I can relate. I agree, Danny wright has the same problems as cotts (even though cotts is a rookie) giving up the walks. That's why the sox want him in the bullpen. He has the stuff to be a very good bullpen pitcher. He just needs to trust his pitches and fine tune his stuff. If he continues to struggle, sending him to AAA to work on his mechanics won't hurt eigher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Does anyone know when the last time Levine reported the rumor of this deal was? This would be a VERY good move for KW if it shakes out... Also on MLB.com they said the Marlins were interested in Maddoux for 1-year if a long term deal falls through, similar to I-Rod situation last year where they were at budget, but ownership decided it was the right move for their situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Stoneman was quoted in the LA Times this morning as saying he has absolutely no plan on dealing any of his pitching. Way to go, Jason. You just burst everyone's balloon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Ok, so we are going to trade PK, an all-star in 2002 for a pitcher that won 18 games in 2002. Yet, even though PK had a terrible year everyone one is talking like Washburn is a sure bet to win 15-18 games next year. He was 10-15 last last year. Garland was better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 If KW can pull this deal off, I'd crap my pants...just metaphorically of course. I believe Washburn signed a 3 or 4 year deal after the won the WS to avoid the rest of arbitration. Not sure on the money. All I know if he is due $4 mil this year according to espn.com. Are you sure? I know a guy that once did just that on a $25 bet. He really did I tell you. I hope that KW keeps Paul Konerko. Washburn is not going to improve our team enough to let PK and his 30 homer-100 RBI- .300 batting average go. Now who else can the Angels give us along with washburn to make this good for the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoarow Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 id rather have a hole at first base, than " THe SHow" being our 4th starter.... that would just suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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