Confirmed: Robbie Alomar Was a Slacker in 2003

[C.Rector]

From: Ron Rappoport's column in Monday's Sun-times at: http://www.suntimes.com/output/rapoport/cst-spt-rap12.html

 

 

Now he tells us: Upon signing with the Diamondbacks, Roberto Alomar said, ''I think the last two years I didn't work hard enough. I want to put my game in the high level where I used to be two years ago.''

 

 

 

Hopefully, this will end all of the criticizing of KW for not resigning this worthless waste of payroll..........

[cwsox]

the link did not work for me???

[Spiff]

You are bulls***.

 

And a half-assed Robbie Alomar is still better than Willie Harris. Thank god we didn't resign Robbie so we could use the money on...nothing.

[soxfan420]

You are bulls***.

 

And a half-assed Robbie Alomar is still better than Willie Harris.  Thank god we didn't resign Robbie so we could use the money on...nothing.

people need to get off ra's back he played decent for us. and we didnt really pay hardley any of his salary. and when we got him the whole team started playing better for some reason, could it be he is a leader, unlike the valentine

[Steff]

people need to get off ra's back he played decent for us. and we didnt really pay hardley any of his salary. and when we got him the whole team started playing better for some reason, could it be he is a leader, unlike the valentine

I agree. His team moral alone was worth the portion we did pay.. IMO.

[Harry Chappas]

I go back to this. We lost 5 in a row to the Twins which cost us the division. Every player on the team failed when we needed them most. Nobody stepped up, except maybe Colon. Therefore I have no problem with gettting rid of anyone. The GM assembled a team on paper that was one of the best in the AL and then lost 5 in a row to the Twins. I think they should've done a better job at retaining players but the owner will ahve no part of that. Therefore we get a joke of a manager to replace teh joke of a manager and cheap crappy players. Blame last years players (Ordonez, Thomas, Alomar, etc.,) and manager/coaching staff. For this upcoming season blame the owner. The GM or who ever did this put a very good team out there. This year is going to be a joke. If Maddux signs witht eh cub, you will be lucky to see the box score of the Sox in the paper. Going into this offseason thsi team needed to do something. Now I feel anythign they do will be a wash. The only way the will get better is to add salary. Well who am I kidding.

[winninguglyin83]

IT'S January 13th -- and all is already lost!!

[cwsox]

From: Ron Rappoport's column in Monday's Sun-times at: http://www.suntimes.com/output/rapoport/cst-spt-rap12.html:

 

 

Now he tells us: Upon signing with the Diamondbacks, Roberto Alomar said, ''I think the last two years I didn't work hard enough. I want to put my game in the high level where I used to be two years ago.''

 

 

 

Hopefully, this will end all of the criticizing of KW for not resigning this worthless waste of payroll..........

that quote doesn't say to me that "I was slacking and now I will work" but more the usual type of boilerplate sports cliche that a player will say after when starting with a new team after a few less than stellar years to divert attention away from possible diminuation of skills

 

 

just the way I read it...

[Guest JimH]

I agree cwsox, that's the way I read it too.

 

When they got Alomar from the Mets, they knew what kind of shape he was in, and they expected him to be reenergized, coming to a contending team, his brother was here, etc.

 

It worked for a while, he played pretty well but was banged up by the end of the season. Some of that may have been conditioning, some may have been the normal aches and pains of playing baseball every day.

[Steff]

I agree cwsox, that's the way I read it too.

 

When they got Alomar from the Mets, they knew what kind of shape he was in, and they expected him to be reenergized, coming to a contending team, his brother was here, etc.

 

It worked for a while, he played pretty well but was banged up by the end of the season.  Some of that may have been conditioning, some may have been the normal aches and pains of playing baseball every day.

I don't see Robbie as a failure at all. He did what he was brought in to do the best he could. 9 guys out there... they all had a part in the team crapping out. Blaming him is crazy.

[SoxAce]

I don't see Robbie as a failure at all. He did what he was brought in to do the best he could. 9 guys out there... they all had a part in the team crapping out. Blaming him is crazy.

I agree Steff. people blame a Future HOF for the team UNDERacheving?! I don't get it.

[SuperSteve]

Everyone who feels Robbie saying that he didn't work hard enough the last two years means that he was a slacker clearly never played an organized sport beyond the age of twelve.

[DBAHO]

Obviously ppl didn't watch enough of D'Angelo Jimenez last year.

[whitesoxin']

The link didn't work for me either.

[Rooftop Shots]

people need to get off ra's back he played decent for us. and we didnt really pay hardley any of his salary. and when we got him the whole team started playing better for some reason, could it be he is a leader, unlike the valentine

I agree also! Even when The Sox weren't doing well offensively, he was fun to watch defensively. He was colorful and made difficult plays look easy. Not only that, I think having him as a well-noted defensive player,and playing along side him is one of the reasons Valentine had one of his best years at SS. Also, Alomar was a threat, because the opposition never new what he would do at the plate. I really believe that for the Sox, that he was a team player. He made great plays, and did whatever means possible to get on base. I tend to believe that so many are on his back because of the huge dissapointment and RESENTMENT towards him for not wanting to sign with us. I'd take him back in a heartbeat!

[greg775]

I liked Robbie's defense, also.

It was comforting.

But HSC's biggest fan made a good point.

Robbie was one of the bum's who did not come through at the end

vs. the Twinks.

 

I have mixed emotions, but one firm emotion, I don't like Willie Harris.

And our new ss doesn't thrill me either. I've already forgotten his name.

 

Maybe somehow Reed and Joe B will make the team and have big years

and Olivo and Crede will turn into major studs and our big three of

Mark B, Loiza and Garland will excel and we'll kick ass.

 

It's possible.

[witesoxfan]

I don't see Robbie as a failure at all. He did what he was brought in to do the best he could. 9 guys out there... they all had a part in the team crapping out. Blaming him is crazy.

I don't view him as a failure, nor do I think Jim or cw look at him as a failure(though that is my assumption). They view him as a guy who is past his prime and still wants to play, though he can't put up the numbers and cannot play at the level that he once did.

 

Alomar was not a failure. He was better then Jimenez's lazy-ass. He just doesn't put up the .330 20 100 with 40 steals anymore.

 

 

 

 

And cw, I agree. Kind of like a player saying they like playing in the city they are in, or they aren't in it for the money....that sort of thing. We heard a little bit of that from Bartolo, did we not?

[YASNY]

Exactly. Robbie wasn't a failure and Steff is right in that he did bring something to the team with with his approach to the game. However, Alomar is on a one way downhill slide as far as his skills go. He was graet once, but will never approach being great on a consistant basis again. Good luck to him, but I'd keep the young guys and see what happens.

[JoshPR]

Exactly.  Robbie wasn't a failure and Steff is right in that he did bring something to the team with with his approach to the game.  However, Alomar is on a one way downhill slide as far as his skills go.  He was graet once, but will never approach being great on a consistant basis again.  Good luck to him, but I'd keep the young guys and see what happens.

That may be true. But Putting him down his really dumb IMO. It's dumb in the same way Roman used tp insult Loaiza cause he lost to the Twins. The whole dam team lost. Good Luck to Robbie.

[C.Rector]

I agree Steff. people blame a Future HOF for the team UNDERacheving?! I don't get it.

What makes you think that Alomar is a "future HOF"? If you look at the last HoF voting, you'll find several individuals such as Keith Hernandez, Doug Drabek, Cecil Fielder, Terry Pendleton and Bob Tewksbury who were often called "future hall of famer," who this year failed to even get so much as the minimum 5% (26 votes) to even stay on the ballot. You simply cannot predict just who will get in the HoF before the actual voting.

 

As for Alomar, he batted .336 with Cleveland in 2001, but after being traded to the Mets, batted only .266. There are a lot of Mets fans who believe that Alomar slacked off and didn't really give anything close to a 100% effort for that team. Jim Rome, about the time of Alomar's being traded to the White Sox, accused Alomar of "jakking the Mets."

 

Finally, to the SuperSteve guy, I was involved in competitive sports past college. Take it that your experience did not last past your 12th birthday?

[Steff]

I don't view him as a failure, nor do I think Jim or cw look at him as a failure(though that is my assumption).

I didn't think they were.. and I was agreeing with them. My apologies if there was/is any confusion regarding my position on Robbie.

[cwsox]

Exactly.  Robbie wasn't a failure and Steff is right in that he did bring something to the team with with his approach to the game.  However, Alomar is on a one way downhill slide as far as his skills go.  He was graet once, but will never approach being great on a consistant basis again.  Good luck to him, but I'd keep the young guys and see what happens.

I agree with YASNY - as usual!

[JoshPR]

What makes you think that Alomar is a "future HOF"?  If you look at the last HoF voting, you'll find several individuals such as Keith Hernandez, Doug Drabek, Cecil Fielder, Terry Pendleton and Bob Tewksbury who were often called "future hall of famer," who this year failed to even get so much as the minimum 5% (26 votes) to even stay on the ballot.  You simply cannot predict just who will get in the HoF before the actual voting. 

 

As for Alomar, he batted .336 with Cleveland in 2001, but after being traded to the Mets, batted only .266.  There are a lot of Mets fans who believe that Alomar slacked off and didn't really give anything close to a 100% effort for that team.  Jim Rome, about  the time of Alomar's being traded to the White Sox, accused Alomar of "jakking the Mets." 

 

Finally, to the SuperSteve guy, I was involved in competitive sports past college.  Take it that your experience did not last past your 12th birthday?

What makes me think that.. .The numbers Buddy Boy the Numbers. You can think all you want but robbie is one of the best second baseman to play the f***ing game. Too bad your too blind to see it

[BrandoFan]

What makes you think that Alomar is a "future HOF"?

 

Say wha na?

 

-Robbie is only one of the top 5 defensive 2B of ALL time

 

-Robbie is only one of the most EFFICIENT baserunners of ALL time.

 

-Robbie is only a career 820 OPS player, even including s***ty 2002-2003. Five seasons with 890 OPS or higher.

 

-One of the best bunters of his generation. Doesn't strike out much either.

 

-Two WS rings. ALCS appearances with 3 different teams.

 

 

 

(And no, he wasn't all that while with the Sox. Just a notch above mediocre. Such is life: Cleveland gets 3 fantastic seasons from him while Mets and Sox, perennial losers, get him totally washed up. Oh well.)

[YASNY]

Roberto Alomar is a future HOF'er. No brainer. Unless, of course, he bet on baseball.