WHarris1 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 it's all just your perception... the shots should still fall within one standard deviation of the norm. A shot that is made in the first 10 seconds of the game is of the same value as the shot in the last 10 seconds... I'm just pointing out that they should be made at a better rate. That is true, but you said there has been no clutch shooting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 GO Iowa State!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 it's all just your perception... the shots should still fall within one standard deviation of the norm. A shot that is made in the first 10 seconds of the game is of the same value as the shot in the last 10 seconds... I'm just pointing out that they should be made at a better rate. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 GO Iowa State!! oh what the hell.......GO ISU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Addressing the concept of "clutch" -- It's from baseball prospectus, but can be applied to most sports. http://premium.baseballprospectus.com/arti...?articleid=2656 March 10, 2004 Baseball Prospectus Basics The Concept of ''Clutch'' by Joe Sheehan Printer- friendly Contact Author The concept of "clutch" is one of the clearest dividing lines between traditional coverage of baseball and what you'll find here at Baseball Prospectus. In the mainstream, performance in important situations is often attributed to some wealth or deficit of character that causes a particular outcome. Here, we're more likely to recognize that when the best baseball players in the world go head-to-head, someone has to win and someone has to lose, and it doesn't mean that one side has better people than the other. Clutch performances exist, to be sure; you can't watch a day of baseball without seeing a well-timed hit, a big defensive play or a key strikeout that pushes a team towards victory. The biggest moments in baseball history are almost all examples of players doing extraordinary things in extraordinary circumstances. Those moments make the game great and the players responsible for them deserve credit, and even adulation, for their heroics. In trying to get across the notion that no players possess a special ability to perform in particular situations, the usual line we use is that clutch performances exist, not clutch players. That's wrong. The correct idea is that clutch performances exist, and clutch players exist: every last one of them. All major-league players have a demonstrated ability to perform under pressure. They've proven that by rising to the top of an enormous pyramid of players, tens of thousands of them, all trying to be one of the top 0.1% that gets to call themselves "major leaguers." Within this group of elite, who have proven themselves to be the best in the world at their jobs, there is no discernable change in their abilities when runners are on base, or when the game is tied in extra innings, or when candy and costumes and pumpkins decorate the local GigaMart. The guys who are good enough to be in the majors are all capable of succeeding and failing in these situations, and they're as likely to do one or the other in the clutch as they are at any other time. Over the course of a game, a month, a season or a career, there is virtually no evidence that any player or group of players possesses an ability to outperform his established level of ability in clutch situations, however defined. The statistical studies of clutch have supported this point. David Grabiner did the seminal work more than a decade ago, defining clutch as performance in the late innings of close games. From the article: The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn't a significant ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good clutch hitters every year. A study by Ron Johnson, which is not currently online but is quoted here, covered a 15-year period and concluded that just two players, Paul Molitor and Tony Fernandez met the statistical criteria to be considered clutch hitters. (Johnson didn't argue that the two had this trait, just that of the players in the study, they were the only two whose performance with runners in scoring position showed a statistically significant improvement.) You can see this yourself if you like, and you don't need to understand correlations to do it. Pick any five players at random, and check out their splits for the last few seasons (you can do this fairly easily at any of the major sports portals). You'll find that their statistics from year to year in the various clutch situations (RISP, late-inning pressure, September) can vary widely, with no rhyme or reason to the splits. But over a large enough sample, players will hit in given situations pretty much as they do overall. Of course, these statistical arguments assume both numeracy and a quest for the truth. Too often, neither of these things is in play. The notion of clutch persists because it allows for a storyline with a hero and a goat, and that's both an easy tale to write and an easy one to read. While it's a facile concept, players buy into it because it's flattering. No one wants to believe that they're successful just because they hit the genetic lottery and that, on a particular day, they performed better than the other, equally-gifted guys. It's much more enjoyable to extrapolate a certain moral superiority from on-field success, to attribute that game-winning double to your heart and desire, rather than to your fast-twitch muscles and hitting the fastball at just the right angle to push it past the diving center fielder. It's this need to turn physics and physicality into a statement about the character of people--to stick labels on them based on their day at work and the bounce of a ball--that is the most damning thing about the myth of clutch. The idea that players' abilities do not change in the clutch is one of those things that gets the anti-stathead crowd riled up, gets them talking about pocket protectors and people who take the fun out of the game. I don't buy it; the fun is the game, in the performances and the competition and the talent that we get to watch. When you have that, who needs a myth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Horray!! Redick turns it over. My, how I hate that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Wow, Myles fouls out and you can just feel the game going to Duke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 I feel a major upset in the making.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 I feel a major upset in the making.... Uh-oh. Xavier down by 5 now. Come on X! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Duke looking pretty up 4 w/ 24 secs left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Duke looking pretty up 4 w/ 24 secs left. Damn. It was a good run for the Muskateers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 anyone else find that BK commercial hilarious? The guy at the end, "BLAH" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Damn....I would've loved for the upset to happen in this one. Solid game for Xavier, but they slipped up at the end. Duke wins 66-63.... <_> So the Final Four is: Duke, GT, OSU, and UConn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 and the Dukies end Xavier's dream, 66-63. Nice run musketeers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 3/4 Final 4 teams picked correctly for me, not too shabby, national champion, Uconn, still in too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 3/4 Final 4 teams picked correctly for me, not too shabby, national champion, Uconn, still in too. ditto i shoulve picked duke, i had the other three right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hell, ISU had beaten 3 Elite 8 teams....pretty good...no? ISU plays Rutgers Tuesday at 6 Chicago time on ESPN2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Billy Packer makes me wish I was deaf. Brutal color man. Some of his stupid one liners don't even make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Billy Packer makes me wish I was deaf. Brutal color man. Some of his stupid one liners don't even make sense. Ah you're probably talking about Bill Raftery. Yeah, he's definitely psycho. The worst thing about him is, he gets to broadcast games under both ESPN and CBS.... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Also, I am tired of hearing the announcers kiss Duhon' butt. The guy is a garbage player. I see other guys on Duke doing more things then him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hell, ISU had beaten 3 Elite 8 teams....pretty good...no? ISU plays Rutgers Tuesday at 6 Chicago time on ESPN2. ISU was 2-3 vs. teams in the Elite 8 1-1 vs. Kansas 0-2 vs. OSU 1-0 vs. Xavier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 1 of 4 final 4 picked for me but then again i did it in a rush and only picked the #1 seeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 I got 3/4 of the Final Four. I had UConn over Duke. Ok. State over Kentucky. Ok. State over UConn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 I have G. Tech, Duke, and UConn left. Went on a limb with G. Tech over UConn in the finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 ISU was 2-3 vs. teams in the Elite 8 1-1 vs. Kansas 0-2 vs. OSU 1-0 vs. Xavier I was think of Texas, too. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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