Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Old news, winninugly, where ya been? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 saw a TV show tonight with some LA Times sportswriters. They said the heat is building in LA for the Dodgers to do SOMETHING, especially considering everything the Angels have done. Seems that Dodgers fans are as perturbed as Sox fans seems to be. But ... there's a big problem. The sale of the team from Fox to the new owner (can't spell his name, Frank something) is stalling. The suspicion is the proposed owner doesn't have enough money to finish the deal. They said Major League Baseball is sending representatives to Los Angeles next week to determine if the deal is possible or not. They said it will probably fall through and that Fox will end up owning the team for another year. But the bottom line is that all this uncertainty has put the Dodgers' front office on hold. Well that pretty much puts the kabosh on it then as it'll take a couple of months to sort out and there's no way KW will let this go into ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Actually there is a Jan. 31 deadline that both McCourt and Fox agreed to for the sale. That could always be extended, but allowing it to go too long without some assurance the sale will go through and an agreement on what can and cannot be spent, I have a hard time seeing it drag on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think we would all take Raul. Is there even any market for him? What about trading for Carl Everett again. I have to believe MTL signed him so they could trade him off at sometime. I can't see Carl playing too much on that turf. $9 million for two years isn't too bad. An answer to your Carl Everett question comes in a round-a-bout way from Jason Stark. One of the hot rumors bouncing beneath the baseball radar screen this week had Pudge Rodriguez signing with a mystery team, then giving his permission for that team to trade him back to the Marlins. Otherwise, of course, the rules say he can't sign with the Marlins before May 1. Well, there's just one minor problem with that scenario: It's about as legal as armed robbery. "That would circumvent the intent of the rule, the heart of the rule and the rule itself," says one baseball man. "The rule says he can't go back to his old team until May 1. Period." A free agent can agree to waive the rule which says he can't be traded by his new team until after June 15. But a trade back to his previous team before May 1 would look like a blatant attempt to circumvent the law. Which, oh-by-the-way, is exactly what that would be. So there you go, we couldn't trade for Carl back til May 1st at a minimum and more like June 15th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Good fine, uns....... didn't know the player could waive that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Actually Josh they are asking for four players. The offer is Perez, Mota, Jackson or Miller and another prospect (who remains nameless at this point). First of all, thank you for valuing my opinion. I do think they Sox are asking way too much and here is why I feel that way... To fairly view this trade you have to look at the sum total of the trade and it's possible spin-off effects. The Sox are asking for a starting pitcher, an established highly regarded reliever, one of the top pitching prospects in baseball, both of which have a huge upside, another prospect AND asking the Dodgers to take on $8-$10 million in payroll. The Sox then could use at least some of that money to fill another hole or two on their roster, be it an OF to replace Maggs, a couple of utility players or another pitcher. The Dodgers get a huge bat which they desparately need. However, there is no guarantee how Maggs will hit in Dodger Stadium since it is decidedly a pitcher's park. Could Maggs .300-.320 average drop to .280? Could his 30-35 HR and 100-120 RBI drop to 25-30 and 90-100? Maggs is a great hitter, but those are real possibilities. They also have no guarantee that Maggs will be in LA for more than one year. The part of this proposed trade that confuses me is what the sticking point actually is. There have been too many varied reports about who the Dodgers are balking at. It is unclear whether the Dodgers still want to give up Perez after trading Kevin Brown. There have been reports that Evans doesn't want to give up Mota. Many reports have debated whether Miller or Jackson are even touchable. It could simply be the total number of players involved. Perhaps the Dodgers make the trade if it is for only 2 or 3 of the players, depending on which ones they are? Everyone seems to have an opinion and think they know, but there are too many conflicting reports. I firmly belive that if the Sox are to move Magglio, they are going to have to live with a balance of the players they get in return and the amount of payroll they are asking the other team to take on. They will either need to back off on the players they asking for, or substitute a player that makes more $$ to balance the payroll inequities. All of that is just one man's opinion,nothing more, nothing less. I know that Rex I was Correcting a fellow Poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 An answer to your Carl Everett question comes in a round-a-bout way from Jason Stark. One of the hot rumors bouncing beneath the baseball radar screen this week had Pudge Rodriguez signing with a mystery team, then giving his permission for that team to trade him back to the Marlins. Otherwise, of course, the rules say he can't sign with the Marlins before May 1. Well, there's just one minor problem with that scenario: It's about as legal as armed robbery. "That would circumvent the intent of the rule, the heart of the rule and the rule itself," says one baseball man. "The rule says he can't go back to his old team until May 1. Period." A free agent can agree to waive the rule which says he can't be traded by his new team until after June 15. But a trade back to his previous team before May 1 would look like a blatant attempt to circumvent the law. Which, oh-by-the-way, is exactly what that would be. So there you go, we couldn't trade for Carl back til May 1st at a minimum and more like June 15th. So there's your answer. The Tiger's sign IRod for exactly what the Marlin's offered him, then they trade him to Florida on May 2nd. Watch and see. I think this will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Not so sure about that Yas....... I think Detroit is just trying so hard to get back to respectability that they are throwing money around. I get the feeling that this deal, if completed, will come back to haunt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Not so sure about that Yas....... I think Detroit is just trying so hard to get back to respectability that they are throwing money around. I get the feeling that this deal, if completed, will come back to haunt them. How so. I dont think they could get any worse than they were in 2003 if they tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 How so. I dont think they could get any worse than they were in 2003 if they tried. Pudge could blow out a knee in April? Could never come back and be as effective as he once was. His performance could simply start to decline. He is a catcher and in his mid-30's. It's not too far-fetched that this deal could blow up in the faces of said Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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