Be Good Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 This is honest advice right now. Find a nationally respected newspaper and read it everyday. Part of the problem with the US's general apathy in the 18-24 crowd is that they have no idea what is going on in the world around them. You live in NY, read the NY Times national and world sections (I have no idea how the paper breaks it sections down, so it could be all together) from beginning to end. It might be boring and dry, but I really believe if the younger generation had any idea what goes on in the world, they would make themselves more a part of the political process. I have read the Tribune daily for most of my life now, and I really think the habit of doing it makes me much more informed than the average 30 year old. Usally I only read NY Newsday (LI edition). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 This is honest advice right now. Find a nationally respected newspaper and read it everyday. Part of the problem with the US's general apathy in the 18-24 crowd is that they have no idea what is going on in the world around them. You live in NY, read the NY Times national and world sections (I have no idea how the paper breaks it sections down, so it could be all together) from beginning to end. It might be boring and dry, but I really believe if the younger generation had any idea what goes on in the world, they would make themselves more a part of the political process. I have read the Tribune daily for most of my life now, and I really think the habit of doing it makes me much more informed than the average 30 year old. Hey, I'm not going to lie to you...I don't give a f***. I know what is going on in the wrestling world, baseball world, and sports world...that's about it. I don't really care what is going on besides that. I know quite a few people who are up to date on current events, and those are the ones who are learning to become active in our nation. I know of most the stuff that you guys talk about, but honestly, why would I spend my time reading a boring paper when I could be working out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I remember the charts...the numbers were bulls***...probably taken from Al Jazeera!!! I4E, nice try: Sources: This first number is from the Palestine Red Crescent Society, a national humanitarian society that provides a wide range of health, social and other humanitarian services for the Palestinian People throughout the Middle East. It is also an observer member in the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC). The second number is direct from the Israeli Defense Forces. From the Health Development Information and Policy Institute: The exact number of Palestinians killed during the current uprising is very difficult to ascertain. This is caused in part by the chaos that ensued following the invasion of the West Bank during March and April 2002. The estimates range from the number given above to 2,782. Link found here: http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/..._fact_sheet.htm Children killed in the first month of the uprising: Source: http://www.btselem.org/ It also turns out that over 80 Palestinian children were killed before the 1st Israeli child was killed in the most recent intifada. At least 127 Palestinians were killed before the first Jewish Israeli lost his life on Israeli land. (The Palestine Red Crescent Society, a very reliable medical organization gives this number as 147, but in the interest of using the same source for Israelis and Palestinians, we are using the numbers provided by the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem.) During the first month 121 Palestinians and 11 Israelis -- virtually all either illegal settlers or soldiers on Palestinian territory -- were killed. Included in the number of Palestinian dead are three Palestinian women and girls who died due to restrictions placed on their movement by the Israeli military: Ten-year old 'Ala Hamdan 'Abd al-'Aziz Ahmad died when her appendix burst after Israeli soldiers prevented her father from taking her to a hospital. Twenty-seven-year-old Na'im 'Attallah a-'Abd Ahmad Huas, a liver patient, died after Israeli soldiers prevented her from obtaining dialysis treatment at a hospital in Nablus. Masiona Hussein, age 60, a diabetes patient, died after being forced to travel to the hospital along treacherous paths because of physical roadblocks placed on the main roadways by Israeli forces. Source: Palestine Red Crescent Society and the IDF Source: Health Development Information and Policy Institute and All For Israel Source: Health Development Information and Policy Institute Source: Guardian Unlimited www.guardian.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Note: I'm not saying Palestinians are blameless...I'm just posting facts so people don't make ignorant statements and people can get both sides of a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I just don't understand how someone can blow themselves up... This suicide method accomplishes two things: You die a truly painless death.... People you don't like die a very painful one because of proximity.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 A much more pressing question is, of course....Why isn't this thread being merged with the Palestine vs Israel one? Who was the genius mastermind behind locking that thread I'd like to know? Are relevant discussions out of style on a POLITICAL forum these days?? Yep let's open the 50th Family Guy thread and have 5 replies in it instead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 And Flash, you really hurt your case saying "I don't need to read sources" to come to your conclusion. Thats strike two for you buddy. First you make a premature statment blasting Nuke for suggesting that Israelis place electric currents on their fences.......even though the article cleary stated chain linked fences were in place. Now you seem to believe my statement was directed towards the 80% figure.....which it isn't Go back couple pages and check I4E post and my reply. He was saying that from what he read Muslims don't care about life/death and infact look forward to it. I SAID, in reply to that, I don't need to read anything to come up with that conclusion. It has nothing to do with my 80% figure Oh, I should of been more wise then to say 80% of muslims support terrorism. What sounds better is 80% of muslims support a Palestinian state. And, everybody knows how Palestinians intend to recieve their state;from TERRORISM. You support Palestine.....you support terrorism. (hows that for an asenine statement) Israel deserves to defend itself from Palestinian attacks and if terrorists are hiding among Palestinian supporters terrorists they should have their homes demolished. But Palestine don't mind that because when Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion. Ultimately, show me evidence of the PLO publicly denouncing terrorism and suggesting diplomacy between themselves and Israel and I'll change my mind. The Army of God murders people, where is your statement that since there are violent acts, murders, etc. in the Bible that 80% of Christians must support terrorist acts like the ones perpetrated by the Army of God. How can you compare this "army of god" to the self dubbed "army of dumbasses" that support a Palestinian state? Palestine won't be satisfied until they conquer all of the land which Israel occupies. That will never happen.....and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict. Don't tell me Muslims around the world aren't aware of Palestines intentions of their own manifest destiney..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Hose Jon Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Oh, I should of been more wise then to say 80% of muslims support terrorism. What sounds better is 80% of muslims support a Palestinian state. And, everybody knows how Palestinians intend to recieve their state;from TERRORISM. You support Palestine.....you support terrorism. Israel deserves to defend itself from Palestinian attacks and if terrorists are hiding among Palestinian supporters terrorists they should have their homes demolished. But Palestine don't mind that because when Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion. and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict. Once again, Asinine "Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion." -Bin Ladin kill a few innocent citizens, maybe we were wrong to jump all over him "and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict." - nobody is saying palestine is innocent, were just saying israel is wrong I just wish that our government cared about this issue as much as we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Hey, I'm not going to lie to you...I don't give a f***. I know what is going on in the wrestling world, baseball world, and sports world...that's about it. I don't really care what is going on besides that. I know quite a few people who are up to date on current events, and those are the ones who are learning to become active in our nation. I know of most the stuff that you guys talk about, but honestly, why would I spend my time reading a boring paper when I could be working out? Jocks are the new dorks. Zzzzzzzz...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Are you kidding me? You might be the first person I have ever heard who ever called the Trib "Ultra-Lib". Have you read the Sun Times before? Heck read any of the NYC papers. That's liberal. Sun-Times liberal? With Conrad Black owning it? Not likely. Any paper that keeps a link to the Jerusalem Post on every page is not liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 The beauty of the thing is, the Israelis are using cheap "palestinian" laborers to help build the Fence. How f***ing cool is that?! So what youre telling us, is that people living on Israeli occupied lands are taking low paying jobs to erect a massive barricade which will make it even harder for them to get to work, travel freely within their own home territory and will kill economic growth for years to come - because the economy is so bad, this is the only job they can get? Sounds like a responsible occupying force to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I just don't understand how someone can blow themselves up...I shudder the thought of tying a stick of dynomite to my body and then taking out a whole slew of innocent people. I understand from some interviews of families of the bombers, that the bombers feel they have no other way of fighting back, but... Live as a palestinian for twenty years or so. You'd probably not value your life as much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Who's being oppressed? The Arabs that live in Israel are treated better than Arabs that live in any Arab country? More "palis" have been killed than Israelis because Israel has the superior military. I know you would love to see the Israelis/Jews roll over and die, but, it ain't gonna happen! Yes but Arab Jews are still seen as second class citizens in Israel. Second class in the finest restaurant is still second class f***o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Israel makes up less than 2% landwise of the entire Middle East...that means more than 98% percent is Arab land. This being the case, why can't the "palestinians" live in one of the Arab countries (i.e Jordan...their real homeland!)? The US has given billions of dollars of aid to the "palestinians"...Arafat stole it! They could have had their own country when Clinton was in office, but they turned it down. Why? Because they want ALL of the Jews gone and/or dead! You cannot negotiate peace with someone who wants you dead! By the way, there are places in countries all over the world (including the US) where Jews cannot live, work, etc., just because they are Jews! The reason is that I believe all nations of peoples deserve a right to their own self-determination. The Jewish nation realized their self-determination. And the same UN resolution which guaranteed an Israeli state also guaranteed a Palestinian one. Unfortunately, power brokers at the time, never gave one to the Palestinians - and so they are left to fight for their own freedom. Not a fun job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Thats strike two for you buddy. First you make a premature statment blasting Nuke for suggesting that Israelis place electric currents on their fences.......even though the article cleary stated chain linked fences were in place. Now you seem to believe my statement was directed towards the 80% figure.....which it isn't Go back couple pages and check I4E post and my reply. He was saying that from what he read Muslims don't care about life/death and infact look forward to it. I SAID, in reply to that, I don't need to read anything to come up with that conclusion. It has nothing to do with my 80% figure Oh, I should of been more wise then to say 80% of muslims support terrorism. What sounds better is 80% of muslims support a Palestinian state. And, everybody knows how Palestinians intend to recieve their state;from TERRORISM. You support Palestine.....you support terrorism. (hows that for an asenine statement) Israel deserves to defend itself from Palestinian attacks and if terrorists are hiding among Palestinian supporters terrorists they should have their homes demolished. But Palestine don't mind that because when Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion. Ultimately, show me evidence of the PLO publicly denouncing terrorism and suggesting diplomacy between themselves and Israel and I'll change my mind. How can you compare this "army of god" to the self dubbed "army of dumbasses" that support a Palestinian state? Palestine won't be satisfied until they conquer all of the land which Israel occupies. That will never happen.....and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict. Don't tell me Muslims around the world aren't aware of Palestines intentions of their own manifest destiney..... Flash, the security wall is 6% fence...so electrifying it wouldn't do much good as 94% of it is concrete. Even before Yasir Arafat's statement on 13 April 2002 condemning terrorism Arafat had repeatedly condemned suicide bombings both in Arabic and in English. Here are just two examples obtained from BBC monitoring. 1. On Palestinian TV, on 28 March 2002, at 20:08 GMT, Arafat stated in Arabic: "On this occasion, I would like once again to reiterate our condemnation of yesterday's operation in Netanya, in which a number of innocent Israeli civilians were killed and wounded. This operation constitutes a deviation from our policy and a violation of our national and human values. I affirm our commitment to working toward an immediate cease-fire, as we informed General Zinni. We highly value his efforts. We informed him that we are ready for the immediate implementation of the Tenet's work plan without conditions, and without prejudicing any of its articles. Also, we have informed him of our readiness to implement the Mitchell Report recommendations in cooperation with the four-way US-Russian-European-UN committee headed by Gen. Zinni." 2. On December 16, 2001, in a speech on the occasion of Id al-Fitr in Ramallah (Gaza Palestine Satellite Channel Television, in Arabic, on 16 December 2001 at 16:00 GMT) Arafat stated in Arabic: "Today, I emphasize once again the complete and immediate halt to all armed operations. Once again, I call for a complete halt to all operations, especially suicidal operations, which we have always condemned. We will punish all those who carry out and mastermind such operations. This also applies to the firing of mortar shells, which have no objective but to provide an excuse for theIsraeli attacks on us, our people, our children, and our women. Any violation of this decision will be considered an attempt to harm the higher national interests of our people and of our Arab nation." Although the Camp David summit ended almost three months before the beginning of the Intifada, and negotiations continued between the Israelis and Palestinians even as violence raged, many pro-Israelicommentators maintain that Arafat launched the Intifada as a direct response to the Camp David proposals, just because he prefers war to peace! This is belied by all the evidence. The Intifada was a reaction to years of worsening conditions in the occupied territories during the period of the so-called peace process, when Israel doubled the number of settlers on occupied Palestinian land, and tightened its noose around the Palestinian population. But the spark was Ariel Sharon's visit to the Haram Al-Sharif with 1,000 armed men on 28 September 2000, a deliberate desecration of a holy site whose purpose was to send a message that Israel would always control the Palestinians by brute force. The Palestinian protests that broke out in reaction to Sharon's incursion included stone-throwing but absolutely no firearms. The Israeli response, however, was lethal. The New York Times reported on 30 September 2000 that: "Four Palestinians were killed at Haram al Sharif, known to Jews as Temple Mount, in a second day of rioting that began when Ariel Sharon, the rightist opposition leader, visited the Muslim compound on Thursday to assert Jewish claims to the site. Wearing full riot gear, Israelipolice officers today stormed the Muslim area, where they rarely set foot, to disperse Palestinian youths who emerged from Friday prayer services to stone first a police post at the Moghrabi Gate and then Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall." "Dr. Khaled Qurei, director of the Makhased [sic: Maqassad] Hospital on the Mount of Olives, said the hospital had treated more than 150 men, women and youths, many of whom were wounded by rubber bullets and some by live ammunition. The Israeli police denied that live bullets had been used." Source: "Battle at Jerusalem Holy Site Leaves 4 Dead and 200 Hurt," New York Times, 30 September 2000. The report did not contain even an allegation by theIsraelis that any Palestinian had used firearms. But Israel's killing of unarmed protestors sparked wider protests throughout the occupied territories. Within weeks, dozens of Palestinians, almost all unarmed civilians, both inside Israel and in the occupied territories had been killed. Despite the clear chronological order of the events, Israel and its supporters in the US media continue to maintain that Arafat and the Palestinian Authority launched the Intifada. The high-profile investigative committee headed by former US Senator George Mitchell stated in its final report that: "The [Government of Israel] asserts that the immediate catalyst for the violence was the breakdown of the Camp David negotiations on July 25, 2000 and the "widespread appreciation in the international community of Palestinian responsibility for the impasse." In this view, Palestinian violence was planned by the PA leadership, and was aimed at "provoking and incurring Palestinian casualties as a means of regaining the diplomatic initiative." The report continued: "In their submissions, the parties traded allegations about the motivation and degree of control exercised by the other. However, we were provided with no persuasive evidence that the Sharon visit was anything other than an internal political act; neither were we provided with persuasive evidence that the PA planned the uprising." "Accordingly, we have no basis on which to conclude that there was a deliberate plan by the PA to initiate a campaign of violence at the first opportunity; or to conclude that there was a deliberate plan by the GOI to respond with lethal force." Finally, the Mitchell committee agreed that: "The Sharon visit did not cause the "Al-Aqsa Intifada." But it was poorly timed and the provocative effect should have been foreseen; indeed it was foreseen by those who urged that the visit be prohibited. More significant were the events that followed: the decision of the Israeli police on September 29 to use lethal means against the Palestinian demonstrators; and the subsequent failure, as noted above, of either party to exercise restraint." [source: SHARM EL-SHEIKH FACT-FINDING COMMITTEE FINAL REPORT, April 30, 2001] Despite the report's effort to lay blame on both sides, and thus appear even-handed, it is clear that on the one-handIsraeli violence fuelled and led to the spread of the uprising, and that there is no reason to accept Israel's claims that the Palestinian Authority planned or started the uprising. My intent as stated in the post below my "with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures" shows that there is another side in this debate and that Israel has a direct role in the terrorism it receives. There's wrong on both sides but way to assertt the false premise of what I believe. Strike two, buddy. And a FEW innocent civilians? 85% of the Palestinians killed are innocent collateral damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Thats strike two for you buddy. First you make a premature statment blasting Nuke for suggesting that Israelis place electric currents on their fences.......even though the article cleary stated chain linked fences were in place. Now you seem to believe my statement was directed towards the 80% figure.....which it isn't Go back couple pages and check I4E post and my reply. He was saying that from what he read Muslims don't care about life/death and infact look forward to it. I SAID, in reply to that, I don't need to read anything to come up with that conclusion. It has nothing to do with my 80% figure Oh, I should of been more wise then to say 80% of muslims support terrorism. What sounds better is 80% of muslims support a Palestinian state. And, everybody knows how Palestinians intend to recieve their state;from TERRORISM. You support Palestine.....you support terrorism. (hows that for an asenine statement) Israel deserves to defend itself from Palestinian attacks and if terrorists are hiding among Palestinian supporters terrorists they should have their homes demolished. But Palestine don't mind that because when Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion. Ultimately, show me evidence of the PLO publicly denouncing terrorism and suggesting diplomacy between themselves and Israel and I'll change my mind. How can you compare this "army of god" to the self dubbed "army of dumbasses" that support a Palestinian state? Palestine won't be satisfied until they conquer all of the land which Israel occupies. That will never happen.....and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict. Don't tell me Muslims around the world aren't aware of Palestines intentions of their own manifest destiney..... The PLO denounced terrorism several times. It was a precondition to talks leading to Oslo agreements. It was done several times in the 1980s when Arafat tried to get to the table. Here's a rough synopsis: PLO "We want to negotiate peace and statehood." Israel "Denounce terrorism." PLO "We unequivically denounce terrorism." Israel"... Liars." Ain't sayin either side is innocent. It's just hard to have good faith when neither side has shown any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Thats strike two for you buddy. First you make a premature statment blasting Nuke for suggesting that Israelis place electric currents on their fences.......even though the article cleary stated chain linked fences were in place. Now you seem to believe my statement was directed towards the 80% figure.....which it isn't Go back couple pages and check I4E post and my reply. He was saying that from what he read Muslims don't care about life/death and infact look forward to it. I SAID, in reply to that, I don't need to read anything to come up with that conclusion. It has nothing to do with my 80% figure Oh, I should of been more wise then to say 80% of muslims support terrorism. What sounds better is 80% of muslims support a Palestinian state. And, everybody knows how Palestinians intend to recieve their state;from TERRORISM. You support Palestine.....you support terrorism. (hows that for an asenine statement) Israel deserves to defend itself from Palestinian attacks and if terrorists are hiding among Palestinian supporters terrorists they should have their homes demolished. But Palestine don't mind that because when Israel kills a few "innocent" citizens stations like Al-Jazeera will jump all over it and show the world of Isreals oppresion. Ultimately, show me evidence of the PLO publicly denouncing terrorism and suggesting diplomacy between themselves and Israel and I'll change my mind. How can you compare this "army of god" to the self dubbed "army of dumbasses" that support a Palestinian state? Palestine won't be satisfied until they conquer all of the land which Israel occupies. That will never happen.....and people like you, with you charts and pictures of flaming comic figures, will never relent in your pursuit to somehow convice us that Palestine is the innocent victim in this conflict. Don't tell me Muslims around the world aren't aware of Palestines intentions of their own manifest destiney..... Flash...once again you are 100% right! I'm staying out of this because you'll never convince the Israel-haters! If you would like to read some interesting articles, and/or see some great websites, email me ([email protected])...I'll hook you up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I4E, nice try: Sources: This first number is from the Palestine Red Crescent Society, a national humanitarian society that provides a wide range of health, social and other humanitarian services for the Palestinian People throughout the Middle East. It is also an observer member in the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC). The second number is direct from the Israeli Defense Forces. From the Health Development Information and Policy Institute: The exact number of Palestinians killed during the current uprising is very difficult to ascertain. This is caused in part by the chaos that ensued following the invasion of the West Bank during March and April 2002. The estimates range from the number given above to 2,782. Link found here: http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/..._fact_sheet.htm Children killed in the first month of the uprising: Source: http://www.btselem.org/ It also turns out that over 80 Palestinian children were killed before the 1st Israeli child was killed in the most recent intifada. At least 127 Palestinians were killed before the first Jewish Israeli lost his life on Israeli land. (The Palestine Red Crescent Society, a very reliable medical organization gives this number as 147, but in the interest of using the same source for Israelis and Palestinians, we are using the numbers provided by the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem.) During the first month 121 Palestinians and 11 Israelis -- virtually all either illegal settlers or soldiers on Palestinian territory -- were killed. Included in the number of Palestinian dead are three Palestinian women and girls who died due to restrictions placed on their movement by the Israeli military: Ten-year old 'Ala Hamdan 'Abd al-'Aziz Ahmad died when her appendix burst after Israeli soldiers prevented her father from taking her to a hospital. Twenty-seven-year-old Na'im 'Attallah a-'Abd Ahmad Huas, a liver patient, died after Israeli soldiers prevented her from obtaining dialysis treatment at a hospital in Nablus. Masiona Hussein, age 60, a diabetes patient, died after being forced to travel to the hospital along treacherous paths because of physical roadblocks placed on the main roadways by Israeli forces. Source: Palestine Red Crescent Society and the IDF Source: Health Development Information and Policy Institute and All For Israel Source: Health Development Information and Policy Institute Source: Guardian Unlimited www.guardian.co.uk Whether or not you believe your little charts (considering the sources from which they came, I don't!), the bottom line is this...the "palis" have brought pain and death upon themselves. If they would/could accept Israel's right to exist, they wouldn't have any problems with Israel. If they would have accepted Clinton's deal, they'd have their own country. That's not what they want, they want all of Israel, and the Isrealis/Jews dead. IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! NEVER AGAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I4E, just because you don't believe them doesn't invalidate them. Show some facts showing that they're wrong. This may be a poor analogy but like some people don't believe the Holocaust didn't happen doesn't mean that 11 million+ people were not killed in concentration camps by Hitler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Hose Jon Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Whether or not you believe your little charts (considering the sources from which they came, I don't!), the bottom line is this...the "palis" have brought pain and death upon themselves. I love when people desreguard facts Now i am starting to wonder if the earth if round at all? ON a side note i am up to Great Falls Boo yah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 it would work better if they had a wall like American Gladiators the terrorists would try to climb up and then Nitro would f***in grab their foot and theyd be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 it would work better if they had a wall like American Gladiators the terrorists would try to climb up and then Nitro would f***in grab their foot and theyd be done My World History teacher mentioned something of Israel building a wall right now. I don't know if it's true or not, he's probably just a crazy old Cub fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 yeah i heard about that too i forgot who mentioned it oh yeah everyone in this f***ing thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach61 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 QUOTE (zach61 @ Jan 21 2004, 04:27 PM) Be specific with who won't let a Jew be a member and why. I don't believe you. I don't care about other countries, only the U.S. I have no problem with a private club not allowing members, but not a public place or company. So give me the names of the public places that don't allow Jews in the U.S. Again, you want to claim yourself as a victim when you're not. israel4ever Posted: Jan 21 2004, 02:28 PM I will do so tonight when I am at home! So what public places and companies in the US won't let Jews join? And how come the Muslims only kill Jews in Israel? Do you live in the US? And if so, do you have any Muslim friends? Should the Catholics still be mad at the Jews for killing Jesus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 I4E, just because you don't believe them doesn't invalidate them. Show some facts showing that they're wrong. This may be a poor analogy but like some people don't believe the Holocaust didn't happen doesn't mean that 11 million+ people were not killed in concentration camps by Hitler. If I posted statistics from the Jerusalem Post, would you believe them? So, why should I believe statistics that are "provided" from the Palestinian Red Crescent??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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