Guest JimH Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 One of my buddies who heard the whole interview said KW mentioned he would likely be signing one more pitcher to a minor league deal ala Person, Jackson, etc. I did not see this mentioned in the thread discussing the interview. My apoligies if I missed it. I'll have to look at the list and speculate on who it might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thought he mite go afta Rick Reed, but he signed to a minor league deal with the Cincinatti Reds. His agent went rite off at the Mets GM though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Did Reed sign with Cincy or was it Pittsburgh? I thought maybe Ron Villone would be a guy they might bring in, but who knows, it's probably some other guy we've never heard of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Did Reed sign with Cincy or was it Pittsburgh? I thought maybe Ron Villone would be a guy they might bring in, but who knows, it's probably some other guy we've never heard of Oops it was Pittsburgh, knew it was one of those crappy NL Central teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 anyone got a list on who is left?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 anyone got a list on who is left?? I took a look at it on mlb.com , it is not pretty! Except for Greg Maddox, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I took a look at it on mlb.com , it is not pretty! Except for Greg Maddox, of course i know i agrued against this guy earlier but with whats left..i think the best choice would be john burkett....ive talked to some red sox fans this week and one guy said burkett's era was bad because he had 4 starts where he just got blown out of the water...but he had actually had more quality starts (6 or more ip - 3 runs or less) then derek lowe did last year so with whats left ..maybe he is worth a shot..unless of course he signed with someone already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 i know i agrued against this guy earlier but with whats left..i think the best choice would be john burkett....ive talked to some red sox fans this week and one guy said burkett's era was bad because he had 4 starts where he just got blown out of the water...but he had actually had more quality starts (6 or more ip - 3 runs or less) then derek lowe did last year so with whats left ..maybe he is worth a shot..unless of course he signed with someone already I'm quite sure he's still available. I'd take him. He's be better then nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Oops it was Pittsburgh, knew it was one of those crappy NL Central teams. DBAHO, we lost out on Moss. We both wanted him but somehow Tampa got them. Why couldnt they teach the "cutter" to Moss instead of the highly touted Schoney who KW wanted to trade for 3 years ago. I hope we can be quick to pull him or whoever is the 4th and 5th starter whenever they started to suck. Todd Ritchie all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I'm thinking it's Orlando Hernandez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggliopipe Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The Cubune mentions the Sox as having an interest in Scott Erickson. If it's just a minor league deal, why not? He's a solid pitcher (well, he was in 1991 and 1992). I'd like to see Rauch schnag the 5 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The Cubune mentions the Sox as having an interest in Scott Erickson. If it's just a minor league deal, why not? He's a solid pitcher (well, he was in 1991 and 1992). I'd like to see Rauch schnag the 5 spot. welcome to soxtalk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I'm thinking it's Orlando Hernandez. hernandez worked out for seattle last week and topped out at 78 mph..seattle passed...looks like he is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I'm thinking it's Orlando Hernandez. Hernandez is the guy that came to mind. Baggio, do you have a link to support that 78 mph claim? I know that he threw a little for scouts from 20 different teams down in Florida, but I had not heard about a personal workout for the M's or him only topping out at 78 mph. In all honestly, Hernandez doesn't get people out because of his velocity, so even if he is only in the mid-80's I wouldn't be that concerned, especially if he signs to a minor league contract. I think Hernandez would be a good risk. He has a good arm and solid career stats, including a respetable career ERA of 4.04, opp BA of .237, opp OPS of .704, and 7.04 K:9IP. I think he would be worth the risk if he was healthy. With that said, I would be happy letting a youngster take that 5th spot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 DBAHO, we lost out on Moss. We both wanted him but somehow Tampa got them. Why couldnt they teach the "cutter" to Moss instead of the highly touted Schoney who KW wanted to trade for 3 years ago. I hope we can be quick to pull him or whoever is the 4th and 5th starter whenever they started to suck. Todd Ritchie all over again. I think he could really be a steal for Tampa Bay, prob replace Joe Kennedy in their rotation. And I mean sure he's got sum control issues like Cotts, but he's young, had 2 or 3 years of Major League Experience and Coop has a great track record of turnin pitchers into winners, I think he could hav done da same to Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The Tribune mentioned the Sox were represented when Scott Erickson worked out, and he allegedly was impressive. I heard he's a real asshole though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Maybe Lisa Guererro has gotten him under control! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 anyone got a list on who is left?? 1. Ashby, Andy SP LA --- --- --- 2. Astacio, Pedro SP NYM --- --- --- 3. Burkett, John SP BOS --- --- --- 4. Erickson, Scott SP BAL --- --- --- 5. Hernandez, Orlando SP MON --- --- Non-tendered 6. Keisler, Randy SP HOU --- --- Six-year free agent 7. Lima, Jose SP KC --- --- --- 8. Maddux, Greg SP ATL --- --- --- 9. Moehler, Brian SP HOU --- --- --- 10. Oliver, Darren SP COL --- --- --- 11. Quevedo, Ruben SP MIL --- --- Six-year free agent 12. Stephenson, Garrett SP STL --- --- --- 13. Van Hekken, Andy SP DET --- --- Non-tendered 14. Villone, Ron SP HOU --- --- --- 15. Wright, Jamey SP KC PEOPLE IN RED ARE PITCHERS WHO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT. TELL ME WHAT U THINK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Ish, they should definitely bring somebody else in, if nothing else than for the sake of competition. Astacio is hurt and it's likely he won't contribute to any team for several months at least. Jose Lima is, in my opinion, a nut case. I believe Ashby has injuries too, but not certain. Burkett is by all accounts a solid citizen but I don't think they'll get him. The smart PR thing would be Greg Maddox, but that won't happen either. If Erickson is healthy, maybe. I think it was Steff who commented recently that he's got some bad habits off the field and may not be a good clubhouse presence, if I recall correctly. So if true, that's a concern. No matter what, anyone but Maddox is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hernandez is the guy that came to mind. Baggio, do you have a link to support that 78 mph claim? I know that he threw a little for scouts from 20 different teams down in Florida, but I had not heard about a personal workout for the M's or him only topping out at 78 mph. In all honestly, Hernandez doesn't get people out because of his velocity, so even if he is only in the mid-80's I wouldn't be that concerned, especially if he signs to a minor league contract. I think Hernandez would be a good risk. He has a good arm and solid career stats, including a respetable career ERA of 4.04, opp BA of .237, opp OPS of .704, and 7.04 K:9IP. I think he would be worth the risk if he was healthy. With that said, I would be happy letting a youngster take that 5th spot as well. I saw this same claim in Friday's Trib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I don't remember exactly where, but it was indeed reported that Hernandez was not impressive in front of the scouts and that he only threw 78 mph. It did say that he was not fully letting it go and that he reassured scouts that he would be fine in two months. Scouts were expecting him to be near full strength and were disappointed in what they saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 i like burkett the best out of all of those guys except maddux but if we bring in lima think he could contribute, and be good in the clubhouse even though hes kind f nuts. It would be entertaining to see lima and frank together.....or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Ashby, Andy SP LA --- --- --- 2. Astacio, Pedro SP NYM --- --- --- 3. Burkett, John SP BOS --- --- --- 4. Erickson, Scott SP BAL --- --- --- 5. Hernandez, Orlando SP MON --- --- Non-tendered 6. Keisler, Randy SP HOU --- --- Six-year free agent 7. Lima, Jose SP KC --- --- --- 8. Maddux, Greg SP ATL --- --- --- 9. Moehler, Brian SP HOU --- --- --- 10. Oliver, Darren SP COL --- --- --- 11. Quevedo, Ruben SP MIL --- --- Six-year free agent 12. Stephenson, Garrett SP STL --- --- --- 13. Van Hekken, Andy SP DET --- --- Non-tendered 14. Villone, Ron SP HOU --- --- --- 15. Wright, Jamey SP KC PEOPLE IN RED ARE PITCHERS WHO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT. TELL ME WHAT U THINK. here are their stats from last year andy ashby 3-10 5.18 era 35 , too many injuries imo pedro astacio 3-2 7.36 , if healthy , maybe john burkett 12-9 5.15 ., this guy is always on a winner , no 1 choice scott erickson 5-12 5.55 , too many health issues orlando hernandez 8-5 , 3.64 , if he can get velocity back..why not randy keisler , dont know enough about him jose lima , 8-3 , 4.91 ,lima and ozzie , let the fire works begin , why not?? brian moehler , 0-0 , 7.90 , been injured 3 years in a row..nope darren oliver , 13-11 , 5.04 in colorado, should go after this guy , lefty too rueben quevedo , not even worth listing his stats garrett stephenson , 7-13 , 4.59 , give him a look andy van hekken , dont know enough about him ron villone , 6-6 , 4.13 , lefty , less hits than ip , 91 k's in 116 ip , go after him jamey wright , 1-2 , 4.26 , if he could ever stay healthy burkett , lima , oliver , stephenson , villone , wright , and hell id even invite van hekken and kiesler....sign them all to minor league contracts..gotta figure one of them could show us enough in ST to help the team... but if i had to pick on id go with burkett followed by villone.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Jose Lima is a guy who has a real blast playing the game and its a lot of fun watching him too. That 8-3 record with KC was for the 2nd half of the season since he spent the 1st half with the independent Newark Bears of the Atlantic League where he went 7-1. He should be a solid 12-15 game winner at the MLB level next year. He's the best of the bunch I think. As for Villone, he pitched decently for Houston last year and its surprising that they didn't keep him around. He would also make for a good #5 starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Hell, sign all of them up to minor-league deals. The more pieces of coal you stick under pressure, the greater your chance to find a diamond. That's geologically correct, by the way. Not that you care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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