Mike Imrem- Daily Herald Article

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Good Article.  I agree totally.  The Sox Front Office has put all of the blame on the fans over the years and I've always had a problem with that.  Instead of trying to improve themselves, they put the blame on us.  That's one big reason why our attendance is so damn crappy.

If Reinsey showed a committment to winning then they'd get more people through the trunstiles. Nuff said.

[baggio202]

Amen mike imrem..AMEN!!!

[FUCKREINSDORF]

If Reinsey showed a committment to winning then they'd get more people through the trunstiles.  Nuff said.

If Reinsdork sells the team,I guarantee the casual fan will come.

[israel4ever]

Mike Imrem

[cwsox]

There's an incredible amount of ignorance, anti-Reinsdorf hatred and just plain garbage in this thread.

 

First, its been repeatedly demonstrated that if the Sox spend big and/or win big that folks will NOT flock to the games.  Case in point:  2000 when the Sox won 95 games and the AL Central Division while the Cubs lost 90 games and finished dead last in the NL Central.  Guess what?  The Cubs substantially outdrew the White Sox attendance-wise.

 

Second, 1.9 Mil. in attendance is hardly sufficient to fund the vast spending programs that so many here want.  Also, the Sox ticket prices are far less than what several other MLB teams such as the BoSox charge, yet there is a demand in this thread that the Sox reduce their already reasonable ticket prices and have even more discounting.  In other words, you want higher spending with even lower revenues.

 

Third, there is a pre-occupation with the stupid Cubs and their place in the Chicago baseball world in this thread.  Specifically, there is a misbelief that the Cubs are outdrawing the Sox because they are a better team and will do even better next year.  The success of the Cubs attendance-wise have nothing to do with the quality of the team as shown by the fact that during the Reinsdorf Era, the Sox have generally outperformed the Cubs in the W-L column, yet the Cubs outdraw the Sox.  In 2003, the Cubs won only 2 more games than did the Sox, but the Cubs had substantially greater attendance than the Sox.  There are many reasons for this beginning with the fact that the Tribune Co. owns the Cubs and has been using its media outlets to promote the Cubs while dumping on the Sox.  The only way that the Sox could possibly overcome this media bias is for the ownership to buy its own media properties. 

 

Finally, the last thing that you folks really want is for a savvy businessman such as Donald Trump to come in and buy the Sox because such an individual would soon realize that the South Side is insufficient to the cause of adequately supporting the and would find a way to bust out of the agreements for the Sox to remain at Comiskey for the next 2 decades or so.  That way, the businessman would be able to move the team to another city such as say New Orleans or Louisville where there would be sufficient attendance to make owning a MLB team a worthwhile endeavor.

this post comes closest to my feelings

 

Gallas does lousy at his job

 

but this post contains a lot of validity

[BrandoFan]

If Reinsey showed a committment to winning then they'd get more people through the trunstiles. Nuff said

 

Translation:

 

a) go into deep red (say...payroll of 80 Mill plus a bloated marketing budget)

b) field a 100-win team

c) Enjoy watching 2.5 Mill Sox fans (many half-pricers) lazily stroll through the turnstiles.

 

 

PS. Those who diss South Side ladies....I am sorry, I didn't realize that Italian, Black and Hispanic women cannot be considered "hot". I didn't know that one needes 100 inebriated Jessica Albas sashaying around as a prerequisite to enjoying the f*** out a good baseball game or ballpark experience.

 

I would think if you have your g/f with you (and I realize most complainers are in fact no-life dorks only good for stealing peeks) and maybe some friends with theirs, then who gives a flying f*** about other people at the park/neighborhood? Seriously, from all the usual excuses for not coming out to the ballpark, this one has GOT to be the most pathetic.

[baggio202]

There's an incredible amount of ignorance, anti-Reinsdorf hatred and just plain garbage in this thread.

 

First, its been repeatedly demonstrated that if the Sox spend big and/or win big that folks will NOT flock to the games.  Case in point:  2000 when the Sox won 95 games and the AL Central Division while the Cubs lost 90 games and finished dead last in the NL Central.  Guess what?  The Cubs substantially outdrew the White Sox attendance-wise.

 

Second, 1.9 Mil. in attendance is hardly sufficient to fund the vast spending programs that so many here want.  Also, the Sox ticket prices are far less than what several other MLB teams such as the BoSox charge, yet there is a demand in this thread that the Sox reduce their already reasonable ticket prices and have even more discounting.  In other words, you want higher spending with even lower revenues.

 

Third, there is a pre-occupation with the stupid Cubs and their place in the Chicago baseball world in this thread.  Specifically, there is a misbelief that the Cubs are outdrawing the Sox because they are a better team and will do even better next year.  The success of the Cubs attendance-wise have nothing to do with the quality of the team as shown by the fact that during the Reinsdorf Era, the Sox have generally outperformed the Cubs in the W-L column, yet the Cubs outdraw the Sox.  In 2003, the Cubs won only 2 more games than did the Sox, but the Cubs had substantially greater attendance than the Sox.  There are many reasons for this beginning with the fact that the Tribune Co. owns the Cubs and has been using its media outlets to promote the Cubs while dumping on the Sox.  The only way that the Sox could possibly overcome this media bias is for the ownership to buy its own media properties. 

 

Finally, the last thing that you folks really want is for a savvy businessman such as Donald Trump to come in and buy the Sox because such an individual would soon realize that the South Side is insufficient to the cause of adequately supporting the and would find a way to bust out of the agreements for the Sox to remain at Comiskey for the next 2 decades or so.  That way, the businessman would be able to move the team to another city such as say New Orleans or Louisville where there would be sufficient attendance to make owning a MLB team a worthwhile endeavor.

"anti-Reinsdorf hatred"...umm wouldnt that mean we hated the people who were anti -riensdorf???

[upnorthsox]

First, its been repeatedly demonstrated that if the Sox spend big and/or win big that folks will NOT flock to the games. Case in point: 2000 when the Sox won 95 games and the AL Central Division while the Cubs lost 90 games and finished dead last in the NL Central. Guess what? The Cubs substantially outdrew the White Sox attendance-wise.

 

Umm, Attendance went up almost 700k in 2000 over 1999, this for a surprise team that most were picking 4th in the AL Central at the start of the season and had it all but wrapped up by Sept. 1st.

[BrandoFan]

Umm, Attendance went up almost 700k in 2000 over 1999,

 

Umm....that's not enough. Not if 1999 atty was 1.2 Mill.

 

Remember the rule of thumb: each extra 100K = 2.5 Mill.

 

And 2000 team had a good Spring Training AND a great April/June start. And yet, with all the freebies and one of the cheapest seats in the majors, you had games with under 20K against playoff teams.

 

I am sorry....there is NO excuse for 2000. None. 2.5+ Mill fans should have been out there supporting their team. Maybe we would have gone after Maddux this year if Chairman had just a lil' more faith....f*** Sox fans.

 

Edited: did you not notice, I dunno.... a 30 MILL jump in payroll from 2000 to 2001??