SuperSteve Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I cannot see Jackson going that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Gamble will be a top 10 pick, so I think you've got him a bit underrated. Also Phillip Rivers seems a logical choice for a late first round selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I want the Bears to work on both of there lines this year. Thats what Im most concered about. Hopfully in the draft, and in the market. One thing I do NOT want to see is Javon Kearse in a Bear Uniform. He has done nothing since his rookie year. Like I keep saying the O line should be all right if we bring back Villarial plus Tucker and Columbo coming back from injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Very happy with da Cowboys endin up with Vince Wilfork if that's da case. Him and Glover with Willie Blade and Carson rotatin would be a mean front 4. And were we still gonna do that Mock Draft were every1 can pick a team as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 Yeah, I wanted to do that mock draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Docket would be a nice pick for my Colts. His stock has really been rising over the past year. Some other names that the Colts might take include Donte Hall(VT - CB) and Karlos Dansby(Auburn - LB). The Colts have 3 major weaknesses on D(DT, ML, and CB), and it is a pretty safe bet that the Colts will draft the best available player that plays one of those positions. Besides that you mock draft looks pretty accurate. You could be Mel Kiper's replacement a few years down the road. In regards to the Bear, I am not a big fan of Jackson. If they are going to take a running back, than they should take Jones(if available) or wait until the later rounds. Someone like a Julius Jones from ND will probably be available in the 2nd or 3rd round and could end up being a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Yeah, I wanted to do that mock draft. Well if it's ok with every1, I'll start up a thread, and every1 can nominate which team they want to be and we can start from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 Besides that you mock draft looks pretty accurate. You could be Mel Kiper's replacement a few years down the road. Thanks. As for the Bears, I think I am going to be doing some shifting. And a lot of things can change at the combine. DBAH0-Thats fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I cannot see Jackson going that high. Stephen Jackson is the highest rated running back in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Wow people are underrating Stephen Jackson. This kid is the real deal, he is often compared to Ricky Williams because of his combination size and speed. I would be ecstatic if my team took him with a mid-first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I am currently working on a 7 round mock draft. I have only gotten through the 1st round, but I am unsure about some of my picks. If I have a player at a team that doesn't really have a need for that position lemme know. All suggestions are appreciated... 1 1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning 1 2 Oakland Raiders Larry Fitzgerald 1 3 Arizona Cardinals Ben Roethlisberger 1 4 New York Giants Robert Gallerey 1 5 Washington Redskins Kellen Winslow Jr. 1 6 Detroit Lions Sean Taylor 1 7 Atlanta Falcons (Coin) Roy Williams 1 8 Cleveland Browns (Coin) Shawn Andrews 1 9 Jacksonville Jaguars Kenechi Udeze 1 10 Houston Texans Tommie Harris 1 11 Pittsburgh Steelers Kevin Jones 1 12 New York Jets Reggie Williams 1 13 Buffalo Bills Chris Gamble 1 14 Chicago Bears Steven Jackson 1 15 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Michael Clayton 1 16 San Francisco 49'ers Randy Starks 1 17 Cincinnati Bengals Will Smith 1 18 New Orleans Saints Jonathan Vilma 1 19 Minnesota Vikings Will Poole 1 20 Miami Dolphins J.P. Losman 1 21 New England Patriots Chris Perry 1 22 Dallas Cowboys Vince Wilfork 1 23 Seattle Seahawks Dwan Edwards 1 24 Denver Broncos Ben Troupe 1 25 Green Bay Packers D.J. Williams 1 26 Saint Louis Rams Nat Dorsey 1 27 Tennessee Titans Vernon Carey 1 28 Philadelphia Eagles Lee Evans 1 29 Indianapolis Colts Darnell Dockett 1 30 Kansas City Chiefs Sean Jones 1 31 Carolina Panthers (SB) Rashaun Woods 1 32 New England Patriots (SB) Dontarrious Thomas Also, I realize the Bears have more critical needs, but I think Thomas may be tradeable. Please make suggestions! Thanks, Mike I wish the Bears could find a way to get Gallery!!! He's a stud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Stephen Jackson is the highest rated running back in the draft. According to who? You? Thats certainly debatable. In fact, I haven't seen one ranking that has Jackson rated higher then Jones. Truth be told, I am not really sold on either guy(especially Jackson). I think this is a weak RB group, and that you could find a good back in the later rounds. I think it would be a mistake for the Bears to take Jackson with their 1st pick. They have more pressing needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 According to who? You? Thats certainly debatable. In fact, I haven't seen one ranking that has Jackson rated higher then Jones. Truth be told, I am not really sold on either guy(especially Jackson). I think this is a weak RB group, and that you could find a good back in the later rounds. I think it would be a mistake for the Bears to take Jackson with their 1st pick. They have more pressing needs. Me, and Mel Kiper Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 I hope the Steelers take Jackson over Jones so that the Bears can get Jones rather than Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Me, and Mel Kiper Jr. I want Jones.... just not the one from VA tech. I like Greg Jones from FSU... the guy is ripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I'd be happy with that pick, although he is ALOT like the a-train... so I don't know if JA would take the guy. Except Jones is supposed to be able to run a sub 4.5 when healthy. Right now he's little over that, but not much and he's still recovering. Greg Jones in the 2nd and Boulware in the 3rd are two things I'm hoping for. If the Bears go Jones in the 1st, then I hope for Clayton in the 2nd and Boulware in the 3rd. I should add that I feel they will sign a dt, ot, and cb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 I don't think Clayton will be around in the 2nd. If you are refering to Michael Clayton from LSU. But who knows. I too would like Boulware in the 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Greg Jones in the 2nd C-squared.....copy cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I think Greg Jones will go in da 1st now especially afta da Senior Bowl. I think Parcells will be ecstatic to end up with him, Kevin Jones, Will Smith or Phillip Rivers who could be a smoky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Wow people are underrating Stephen Jackson. This kid is the real deal, he is often compared to Ricky Williams because of his combination size and speed. I would be ecstatic if my team took him with a mid-first round pick. I have to disagree. Most experts/rankings see Jackson as a "reach" for the mid-1st round. Most experts/rankings have him projected as a late-1st/early-2nd round pick. The stat that I point to is his 4.4 yards per carry average. That is not impressive in the least bit, in fact, that is a very average YPC for a college running back. He has good physical tools, but his stats aren't impressive. It comes down to whether you think "tools" or "numbers" are more important. The NFL has show time and again that picking a guy with the good "numbers" is usually a safer bet(see Manning over Leaf). As a Colts fan, I really don't care who the Bears pick, but I have a feeling that Jackson is another A-Train in the making. Living in Pac 10 country I have seen him play on a consistant basis and didn't come away impressed with Jackson. Thats just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I have to disagree. Most experts/rankings see Jackson as a "reach" for the mid-1st round. Most experts/rankings have him projected as a late-1st/early-2nd round pick. The stat that I point to is his 4.4 yards per carry average. That is not impressive in the least bit, in fact, that is a very average YPC for a college running back. He has good physical tools, but his stats aren't impressive. It comes down to whether you think "tools" or "numbers" are more important. The NFL has show time and again that picking a guy with the good "numbers" is usually a safer bet(see Manning over Leaf). As a Colts fan, I really don't care who the Bears pick, but I have a feeling that Jackson is another A-Train in the making. Living in Pac 10 country I have seen him play on a consistant basis and didn't come away impressed with Jackson. Thats just my opinion though. Kiper has him 20th, as the highest rated running back. Jackson is a tremendous blend of quickness and power. While he isn't as shifty or elusive as smaller backs, he runs with power and makes defenders miss with his athleticism. Jackson also has ability and versatility as a receiving option (39 receptions in 2003 to go with his 1,396 rushing yards). He does damage in the open field and has a nose for the end zone (15 rushing TDs plus two receiving TDs). Jackson gets better as the game goes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Kiper has him 20th, as the highest rated running back. Yeah.... I'm not gonna say that Mel Kiper is the end all be all... but I'd say he's the best when it comes to draft stuff.. soo I guess the bottom line is that Jackson is rated higher than Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I tend to disagree with your pick of Chris Gamble for the Bills. People are thinking Mularkey will want to draft a receiver(whether it be a TE or a WR). I think they are a team that could trade up. Personally, I feel it depends on what the Redskins do. If they feel Rod Gardner is a good enough compliment to Coles(which I think they will do), they'll draft Winslow. However, if not, I think they'll take Roy Williams, leaving Kellen Winslow available. At that point, I think Buffalo is a candiate to trade up to get Winslow. I think it's very possible that the Bills would trade Josh Reed and their first round pick to Atlanta for the #7 pick overall, and then select Winslow. I doubt that kind of thing happens, so if it doesn't happen, I see them either taking Reggie Williams out of Washington or trading down and taking Ben Troupe out of Florida. I do not think they take a CB though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 Ok, that is exactly the type of suggestions I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I really think the it would be wise for the Bears to take someone like Julius Jones from Notre Dame in the 3rd round or so(if he is still avalaible). I really think that Jones is one of the sleepers in this draft. He didn't get much recognition because ND really struggled and he had to split time with Ryan Grant at the beginning of the year. With that said, he put together an impressive year in which he ran for 1268 yards(including 3 200+ yard games), an impressive 5.5 yards per carry, and 10 TD's. Furthermore, he should get more credit since opponents stacked the line with 8 and 9 guys almost every play because Notre Dame had a nonexsistant passing game with freshman Brady Quinn at the helm. Not only that, but he had a below average O-line blocking for him that included 4 new starters. When you take these things into consideration his numbers become even more impressive. He also impressed a lot of scouts at the Senior Bowl workouts and his stock is soaring. He has break away speed to take it to the house on 40, 50, 60 yard runs(evidence by his 3 200 yard games and extremely impressive 4.3 40), but he also added 20 pounds of solid mussle(without losing any speed) that allows him to get those 4, 5, 6 tough yards up the middle. The bad news for the Bears is that his stock is soaring and that he could be gone by the 2nd round, but the Bears would probably be better off addressing other needs in the 1st 2 rounds, and getting someone like Jones in the 3rd or 4th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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