baggio202 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 was wondering what your guys opinions are on these 5...please rate them from 1 to 5 with 1 being the guy you are most confident will either rebound back to form (konerko) or continue development towards a breakout year (harris - olivo - crede - rowand) and of course 5 being the guy you are least confident in...here are their ages and stats konerko , 28 years old , 18 -65 -.234 , 704 ops crede , 26 years old , 19 - 75 - .261 , 741 ops harris , 26 in june , 0-5 ,205 , 500 ops , 12 of 14 sb's rowand , 27 in august , 6 - 24 , 287 , 779 ops olivo , 26 in july , 6-27 , 237 , 650 ops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Crede 2. Konerko 3. Rowand 4. Olivo 5. Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Crede - defense and offense should improve consistently 2. Olivo - his offense might still be on the low side but his defense and play calling are going to improve 3. Konerko - where else can he go other than up. he played great when he was on a contract year and struggled after given a contract. we'll see if he's more for the money or he is really good. Lee is the same, played his best last year because its a contract year. 4. Rowand - like the attitude and hassle. do not know if consistent enough to be an everyday play. I guess we'll find out what we have with Rowand and Willie. 5. Harris - cant get any of my hopes up for big willie. we cant steal first base so I dont know how he can get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1Konerko 2Crede 3Olivo 4Harris 5Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1.) Olivo 2.) Rowand (if he plays everyday) 3.) Crede 4.) Harris (see Rowand) 5.) Konerko If Rowand and Harris aren't given the chance to play everyday move them down to 4 and 5 and Konerko up to 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1 - Crede - He just needs to stay out of those prolonged funks and he'll bat almost 300, 25 HR's 90+ RBI's 2 - Konerko - He's just too good to continue his erratic play (however, he is most likely to not return to form also, if that can happen) 3 - Rowand put up solid number last year when he played everyday. I think he can do even better now that he's over his injuries. Keyword: THINK 4 - Esty - He won't win twenty games this year, lets just hope for more than 15 and about 10 losses. 5a - Harris - I have little confidence in his ability to get on base at the major league level. 5b - Olivo - Can't hit a curve - as a catcher I don't know why he can't lay off of 'em. He should be able to see them sooner than most. I hope he figures out how to hit a ball that bends otherwise he'll be lucky to put up number like he did last year.. after the allstar break, the book was out on him. Everyone knew throw a bender in the dirt and he'll walk back to the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Crede .... He's been progressing nicely. 2. Rowand .... I'm looking for this guy to bust out this year 3. Konerko .... He's too good of a hitter to have a repeat of last year 4. Harris .... Between Olivo and Harris, I think Willie has the better chance to be an offensive weapon. 5. Olivo .... Any improvement at the plate will be welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1--Crede (Becoming a Robin) 2--Olivo 3--Konerko 4--Harris 5--Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattyguy78 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Konerko 2. Crede 3. Rowand 4. Olivo 5. Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Rowand -- this is the guy's last chance to prove he can be an everyday player in the big leagues -- and make bigger money. No Chris Singleton, Kenny Lofton, Julio Ramirez or Carl Everett blocking his path. He's hard-nosed, a team player and hungry. He can field, throw and hit for some power. He runs OK. The only questions are how well he hits and gets on base. He's aware of all that. I think he's going to bust out. Go A. Row! 2. Konerko. Got to trust 2000-01-02 and throw out last year, Needs to stop hanging his head after the bad at bats and quit beating himself up so much. 3. Crede -- Luv the glove. Just wish he would be more conistent. expect him to hit around .280. Only thing I don't like is when he takes those soft swings at balls on the outside corner. Has too many of those lame swings. 4. Harris -- Another put-up or shut-up player. He can be very valuable if he can hit .270, draw some walks and steal some bases. Needs to forget the fences and try to but the ball in play. Not sold on his glove yet either. Production from Willie would be a major, major bonus. 5. Olivo -- Sorry, but his bat was a dead zone the last two months. Word got around that you don't have to throw him strikes and that he can't hit a good breaking ball. Until he proves that he can A) manage the strike zone and B) hit the tough breaking ball, he's going to struggle with the stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 5b - Olivo - Can't hit a curve - as a catcher I don't know why he can't lay off of 'em. He should be able to see them sooner than most. I hope he figures out how to hit a ball that bends otherwise he'll be lucky to put up number like he did last year.. after the allstar break, the book was out on him. Everyone knew throw a bender in the dirt and he'll walk back to the dugout. Alot of truth to that, he needs to adjust. Also, high hard ones to Harris, he can't seems to lay off them esp away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Crede 2. Konerko 3. Rowand 4. Harris 5. olivo I Like the the way crede has come on and hope that this will be the year he can make some big strides, and become the all-star player he has the chance to be. Crede also has a very good glove at 3B to make him a complete player if he doesnt let the hype get to him. Konerko has been up and down since making the big show and Im looking for him to put it all together this season. He is too good of a hitter to continue to have years like he did last year. And he has a good glove at 1B. I think if giving the chance to play everyday like they say he will Rowand will surprise alot of people. He has decent speed, a good arm , good glove. and is a very good hitter. I may have some high expectaions of him but I really think that he will hit better then .310 this year and have from 15-25 HR's with 85-100 RBI's he has that kinda pop I look for huge things from him this season. Wille I honestly dont know what to think about this guy he can tear up the minors but seems to stall in the majors. Im not sure if he lacks the confidence when facing ML pitching or what is the problem. That being said if he finds ways of using his speed to the best of his ability then he should be fine. His speed is the one thing that I like about him and if they can get him bunting some more he may not be to bad Miguel I really dont like him at all sorry he may be a good defensive catcher but his bat plain sucks. This guy couldnt hit a beach ball if it were thrown at him. But he does have a cannon behind the plate. Other then that I dislike this guy and think we could have been better off with Josh Paul IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1 - Crede - He just needs to stay out of those prolonged funks and he'll bat almost 300, 25 HR's 90+ RBI's 2 - Konerko - He's just too good to continue his erratic play (however, he is most likely to not return to form also, if that can happen) 3 - Rowand put up solid number last year when he played everyday. I think he can do even better now that he's over his injuries. Keyword: THINK 4 - Esty - He won't win twenty games this year, lets just hope for more than 15 and about 10 losses. 5a - Harris - I have little confidence in his ability to get on base at the major league level. 5b - Olivo - Can't hit a curve - as a catcher I don't know why he can't lay off of 'em. He should be able to see them sooner than most. I hope he figures out how to hit a ball that bends otherwise he'll be lucky to put up number like he did last year.. after the allstar break, the book was out on him. Everyone knew throw a bender in the dirt and he'll walk back to the dugout. How did Esty get added in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Godfather, I think you are overestimating Rowand's ability to hit for average. The HR number you listed is realistic, but I will be surprised if he hits .275. The RBI's actually will be a stretch if he hits out of the two-hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Godfather, I think you are overestimating Rowand's ability to hit for average. The HR number you listed is realistic, but I will be surprised if he hits .275. The RBI's actually will be a stretch if he hits out of the two-hole. Agree on the RBI's. Especially if our lead off man can't get on base... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Rowand (just give him a CHANCE) 2. Crede (is gonna be one hell of a player in the near future) 3. Konerko (no way he'll have another year like last year. Except him back to his old form.) 4. Koch (surprised he wasn't on the list. He'll also rebound to what I believe very respectable numbers) 5. Harris (if ozzie can teach him to get on base consistantly, maybe bunt/slap the ball like a Luis Castillo like, look out!) 6. Olivo (He'll learn to lay off the curve. Still young enough to fine tune his swing. He'll be a good player himself. He'll improve this year, but not to a degree like the others... YET) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Godfather, I think you are overestimating Rowand's ability to hit for average. The HR number you listed is realistic, but I will be surprised if he hits .275. The RBI's actually will be a stretch if he hits out of the two-hole. I could see a .260 15 60 season from Aaron, or a .280 25 85 season from Aaron with a respectable OPS. It just depends on what happens. Anyways, for my order, it's 1. Rowand - I think he's going to have a solid year at the plate 2. Konerko - will return more to his 2000-2002 form, and this will be the last that the White Sox see of this .230 s*** 3a. Crede - I think he'll make more progress as well, with a higher batting average and more power, as well as some pretty good defensive plays. 3b. Harris - I really think Willie will play much better with Ozzie as manager. Ozzie will preach of style of baseball that Harris will flourish in. I see him putting up .250-.275, and that's a hugh improvement over what he's done the past 2 years. 5. Olivo - he'll regress, but will start to get it later on. I'll say that our biggest question mark is not listed and has not been listed so far. Our biggest question mark, both literally and physically, IMO, is Frank Thomas. Does he show up to play, pissed, and maybe looking for a deal in FA, and he knocks the s*** out of the ball, or does he "pout" and play like s***? I personally have no idea whatsoever. I hope it's the former, but who the hell knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I think the player that might surprise us the most is Willie Harris. I just watched a tape of the last Sox game televised by WGN last year when they played KC at KC. Willie Harris had a walk, SB and two hits when I quit watching. I liked Willie's approach to the plate the last couple of weeks or so of last season. If he quits swinging for the fences and uses his speed this year I think he can be very good. I think Crede will continue to improve and is a .275, 25 HR, 80+ RBI kind of guy and very good with the glove. Konerko is a solid player, who was struggling maybe still recovering from injuries during the 1st half of last year. I see him back at .285+ 30 HR, 100 RBI's. Rowand might be another one ready to prove himself this year, at least I think from the reports we can count on his being ready. I see .275, 15+ HR's and 60+ RBI's depending on where he hits in the line up. Miguel Olivo is still learning with the bat and to some extent glove, but will develop into a real dependable player with both. I hope for at least a .250 average with 10+ HR,s and 50 + RBI's. I don't think we are as bad off as it may seem with losing all our free agents. I think we will miss Bartolo Colon and Carl Everett the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1-Crede 2-Konerko 3-Willie 4-Olivo 5-Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I think the player that might surprise us the most is Willie Harris. I hope you're right.. but for some reason I don't see him progressing as much as I think he needs to. He's young.. I'm trying to keep that in mind, and the fact that he will mature with playing time.. but let's just say if.. and this is a BIG IF.. this team gets on a roll.. that his lack of experience might hurt us big time. I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1-Crede 2-Konerko 3-Willie 4-Olivo 5-Rowand Wow WH13, I'm surprised you didn't put Willie at #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1. Konerko 2. Crede 3.Olivo 4. Rowand 5. Harris 6. 5th Starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 1-Crede, he's gonna be a stud this year, you just watch. 2-Konerko, he's never gonna be a GREAT player, but he'll be pretty damn good this year. 3-Rowand, i've always liked him. This year is his chance, let's hope he proves me right 4-Willie, the speed will help us, but I don't have much faith in him as a batter 5-Olivo, Prove me Wrong Miguel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I hope you're right.. but for some reason I don't see him progressing as much as I think he needs to. He's young.. I'm trying to keep that in mind, and the fact that he will mature with playing time.. but let's just say if.. and this is a BIG IF.. this team gets on a roll.. that his lack of experience might hurt us big time. I hope I'm wrong. Lack of experience usually does more bad then good, as you say. I remember in the 2002 World Series when Chone Figgins was used as a pinch runner that he made many bad mistakes running the bases. To make those mistakes, you don't need to just pinch run, all you need to do is get on base. Also, watching Jacque Jones a couple years ago in those same playoffs, you saw what an inexperienced player can do. I remember watching him, and he just killed the Twins offensively, constantly striking out. In Jones's entire playoff career(which is only 3 series or 14 games), he has a .161 average, and he has struck out 17 times, including 12 of those coming in the 2002 playoffs, and 8 of those 12 coming in the ALDS against Oakland, and that's the one I watched the most. That's only one of the reasons why someone could and should be brought in to help us at 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Wow WH13, I'm surprised you didn't put Willie at #1. I was honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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