sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 First of all Jim, I have to say, for not being a "brother" you offer up a lot of quality examples of following the EDIT:faith, whether you know it or not. I would include humility, kindness and love as your greatest strengths. Thanks for being that way. with the e-hand job out of the way, sorry, too graphic? I'm curious about a word like "gay", which obviously has other origins than meaning homosexual. can a word evolve? I mean to me, it means "dumb or lame" and has no connection to homosexual behavior or individuals. I would also only use it , if I do at all, in the presence of friends only. I see you point Jim and I feel that outside of the occassionaly calling my playstation 2, a "gay freakin' game", I follow similar beliefs. I work with HS kids and I definitely have an affect on the amount of swearing they do. As soon as i let one fly, it's like a green light for them. trying to eliminate racials slurs is a noble cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Webster's Definition of the word 'Gay:' Main Entry: 1gay Pronunciation: 'gA Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gai 1 a : happily excited : MERRY b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits 2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY b : brilliant in color 3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS 4 a : HOMOSEXUAL b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals synonym see LIVELY - gay adverb - gay·ness noun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Webster's Definition of the word 'Gay:' Main Entry: 1gay Pronunciation: 'gA Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gai 1 a : happily excited : MERRY b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits 2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY b : brilliant in color 3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS 4 a : HOMOSEXUAL b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals synonym see LIVELY - gay adverb - gay·ness noun like I said Fanof14, i'm not a ready user of many or any slurs like that. I just know that's the one that sticks out in my mind. I'm sure that 25 years ago, you wouldn't have seen "#4" definition in Websters, thusly my question of liguistics and semantics. can a word evolve in meaning and usage?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 like I said Fanof14, i'm not a ready user of many or any slurs like that. I just know that's the one that sticks out in my mind. I'm sure that 25 years ago, you wouldn't have seen "#4" definition in Websters, thusly my question of liguistics and semantics. can a word evolve in meaning and usage?? I was just backin' up what you said - it started out as a word meaning happy and a good time and evolved, how is a question I would liked answered as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I was just backin' up what you said - it started out as a word meaning happy and a good time and evolved, how is a question I would liked answered as well. D'OH....I see that now:) sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 D'OH....I see that now:) sorry! Nothin' to be sorry about! Before my grampa (born in 1917) passed that was one word he talked about alot - he never could understand how it became something so different from its beginnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 First of all Jim, I have to say, for not being a "brother" you offer up a lot of quality examples of following the EDIT:faith, whether you know it or not. I would include humility, kindness and love as your greatest strengths. Thanks for being that way. with the e-hand job out of the way, sorry, too graphic? I'm curious about a word like "gay", which obviously has other origins than meaning homosexual. can a word evolve? I mean to me, it means "dumb or lame" and has no connection to homosexual behavior or individuals. I would also only use it , if I do at all, in the presence of friends only. I see you point Jim and I feel that outside of the occassionaly calling my playstation 2, a "gay freakin' game", I follow similar beliefs. I work with HS kids and I definitely have an affect on the amount of swearing they do. As soon as i let one fly, it's like a green light for them. trying to eliminate racials slurs is a noble cause. Re, the word 'gay': It certainly seems an easy transition (and yes, living languages are evolving all the time) from exuberant and happy to the stereotypical image we have of a gay man. It was probably used as a thinly veiled reference to give a recognizable nod to the "love that dared not speak its name." It ruins references like the "Gay (18)90s" (no 5th grader can keep a straight face I'm sure), and Hanna-Barberra actually changed the last line of the Flinstone's theme song from "We'll have a gay old time" to "We'll have a grea-a-at time" in rerecording the song. As for not being a "brother" I assume you are referring to my secular grounding as opposed to a spiritual leaning. If that's the case, then yes I am pretty much that way intrinsically and purposefully. The tired argument of the religiosos that you have to believe in a divine higher authority because otherwise you will be a lost, morally barren person stuck in a life of hopelessness is a crock. Really, who better to try to make this world the best place it can be than those of us who are not banking on any next world? Christians who indoctrinate their children to behave as God intended for extrinsic reasons (the divine carrot and stick of salvation/damnation) cheat them out of learning how to find their own internal motivation for being good and loving people – because a life spent otherwise truly would be hopelessness. I have no fear of 'putting the souls of myself or my children in jeopardy' because if there is a God, I can guarantee you God is NOT the flawed caricature that fundamentalists molded him to be (as Ian Anderson said: "He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays", right?). How can someone truly believe that a person who leads a good and loving life at the end is going to be damned because they didn't fawn over God and offer their life and works up to His Glory? Pettiness and the jealousy are human contrivances that only lazy-thinking fundamentalist Christians would ascribe to an omnipotent savior. If one can be eternally saved, I believe (much as cw has suggested in threads here and elsewhere) it is by grace, through the things you do and the way you treat each other in life, not by drooling and fawning over God and publicly offering it up to Him so your neighbors can hear it every 90 seconds. That is not to say I think there's anyone up there running the show, just that if there is, He/She/It would have better things to do than throw my arse in the fire like a petty child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 hmmm, I was just saying that I thought despite our religious labels, it's cool that our morals/beliefs are similar. I was also trying to compliment your character... don't know what the paragraphs were about. you're welcome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 hmmm, I was just saying that I thought despite our religious labels, it's cool that our morals/beliefs are similar. I was also trying to compliment your character... don't know what the paragraphs were about. you're welcome? Then I read you right, PA, and I added the other paragraphs by way of explanation that I think morality and spirituality can be separated, and one can be pursued without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Your posts are getting boring guys... someone call someone gay and heat it up.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Your posts are getting boring guys... someone call someone gay and heat it up.. How about you stay out of this fat ass? Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Then I read you right, PA, and I added the other paragraphs by way of explanation that I think morality and spirituality can be separated, and one can be pursued without the other. ok, ok...I think I've got you now. spirituality removed, you're a model for morality. s'all I was saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 How about you stay out of this fat ass? Better? Oh man.. you are so getting your ass kicked tomorrow!!! First this... Then this biooottccchhh !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 dude, you guys are so gay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Oh man.. you are so getting your ass kicked tomorrow!!! First this... Then this biooottccchhh !!! And then after I do all that to you, here is Steff in the corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 ok, ok...I think I've got you now. spirituality removed, you're a model for morality. s'all I was saying. Possibly would be, if not for the occasional chicken plookery. Hey, nobody's perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 like I said Fanof14, i'm not a ready user of many or any slurs like that. I just know that's the one that sticks out in my mind. I'm sure that 25 years ago, you wouldn't have seen "#4" definition in Websters, thusly my question of liguistics and semantics. can a word evolve in meaning and usage?? I believe the word Gay, as in homosexual derives from the french word gaiol(sp?) which I think means queer or odd. MEANINGLESS TRIVIA WARNING First time gay(in a homosexual way) was used in a movie? Cary Grant, in Bringing Up Baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 As a "normal person," I deeply resent the suggestion that gay-bashing is acceptable "normal people" behavior. Here, here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Re, the word 'gay': It certainly seems an easy transition (and yes, living languages are evolving all the time) from exuberant and happy to the stereotypical image we have of a gay man. It was probably used as a thinly veiled reference to give a recognizable nod to the "love that dared not speak its name." It ruins references like the "Gay (18)90s" (no 5th grader can keep a straight face I'm sure), and Hanna-Barberra actually changed the last line of the Flinstone's theme song from "We'll have a gay old time" to "We'll have a grea-a-at time" in rerecording the song. As for not being a "brother" I assume you are referring to my secular grounding as opposed to a spiritual leaning. If that's the case, then yes I am pretty much that way intrinsically and purposefully. The tired argument of the religiosos that you have to believe in a divine higher authority because otherwise you will be a lost, morally barren person stuck in a life of hopelessness is a crock. Really, who better to try to make this world the best place it can be than those of us who are not banking on any next world? Christians who indoctrinate their children to behave as God intended for extrinsic reasons (the divine carrot and stick of salvation/damnation) cheat them out of learning how to find their own internal motivation for being good and loving people – because a life spent otherwise truly would be hopelessness. I have no fear of 'putting the souls of myself or my children in jeopardy' because if there is a God, I can guarantee you God is NOT the flawed caricature that fundamentalists molded him to be (as Ian Anderson said: "He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays", right?). How can someone truly believe that a person who leads a good and loving life at the end is going to be damned because they didn't fawn over God and offer their life and works up to His Glory? Pettiness and the jealousy are human contrivances that only lazy-thinking fundamentalist Christians would ascribe to an omnipotent savior. If one can be eternally saved, I believe (much as cw has suggested in threads here and elsewhere) it is by grace, through the things you do and the way you treat each other in life, not by drooling and fawning over God and publicly offering it up to Him so your neighbors can hear it every 90 seconds. That is not to say I think there's anyone up there running the show, just that if there is, He/She/It would have better things to do than throw my arse in the fire like a petty child. That is a very clever man (or woman). I can only marvel at those so much more elloquant than myself, yet admirably sany and resonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Obviously it is. If I say that site is offensive, you say, "Oh be quiet, it's not offensive." You expect a level of respect that you are not willing to give. It is hilarious to me how you can not see the irony that on one hand you are railing against "hate speech" with an eminem avatar, and on the other hand telling people to grow thicker skin. You get so twisted up in your own double talk so often, and continually get called on it, but somehow ignore it. I dunno, that's some kind of gift. When you start talking about how "hate speech" will not be accepted you are basically warning people that if it's offensive you better not post it. Or if you don't believe it is, you better at least understand when others think it is. Of course, this doesn't apply to you, you have free reign. You, the one who said you were too good for this site, and that it didn't deserve you, are now trying to protect it with bulls*** warnings and hypocrisy so thick that nobody can understand what's what. I can see that even writing this much means I am too involved, and that continually dealing with a higher-level hypocrite will just serve to piss me off, and that's something I don't need. no response??? hmmm....interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rauch611 Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 This can be debated over and over again, but honestly, why should we care? Its pointless. After all, whatever happens in the past doesn't mean anything, its not like anyone was hurt by this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 This can be debated over and over again, but honestly, why should we care? Its pointless. After all, whatever happens in the past doesn't mean anything, its not like anyone was hurt by this... Yeah, but he sure walked funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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