Jim Fainter Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Last July or so, KW got rid of some of our vets, who, in his perception, didn't have a future with the Sox, so he showed them the door -- Durham, Lofton, Alomar, Howry, Clayton. Now there were issues that could be discussed ad nauseum, and they have, like did we get enough for Ray? or why did we insist on paying all of their salaries?? etc. But I could still see a strain of logic behind the maneuvers. Except for Howry. He wasn't drastically overpaid, he was a decent set up guy, he was still fairly young, he had come off shoulder surgery and was fully recovered, he threw hard, we didn't get a whole lot for him. And now we pick up 34 year old Rick White, the creator of line drives? I don't get it. If we call up Boston and offer to trade White even up for Howry, they would laugh at us. Someone out there in Sox Land, please enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 I agree. Heh, I was at Camp where there was no paper, nothing from the outside. I got home and was as shocked as the rest of us. Anywho, Durham and Howry shouldn't have left. That was a bad idea out of Kenny Williams' skull. (He has no brain anymore, I refer to him as having a skull now.) Howry was a great guy, and did good stuff. That was s*** wat KW did. Durham was awesome, we now have a little more "inexpirienced" medicore player there. Yes I agree with you on the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 I agree. Heh, I was at Camp where there was no paper, nothing from the outside. I got home and was as shocked as the rest of us. Anywho, Durham and Howry shouldn't have left. That was a bad idea out of Kenny Williams' skull. (He has no brain anymore, I refer to him as having a skull now.) Howry was a great guy, and did good stuff. That was s*** wat KW did. Durham was awesome, we now have a little more "inexpirienced" medicore player there. Yes I agree with you on the rest. i would have kept durham and howry too..especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off And then having a rotation of Buehrle, Garland, Wright, Rauch and maybe Stewart? Because Durham got a contract that is worth about as much as Colon's, and we definately would not have even considered Colon. Or KW would have been pressured into getting Russ Ortiz and would have given them a top prospect and some decent major league talent. Our lineup would look better with Ray-Ray at 2B....but not necessarily our whole team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off And then having a rotation of Buehrle, Garland, Wright, Rauch and maybe Stewart? Because Durham got a contract that is worth about as much as Colon's, and we definately would not have even considered Colon. Or KW would have been pressured into getting Russ Ortiz and would have given them a top prospect and some decent major league talent. Our lineup would look better with Ray-Ray at 2B....but not necessarily our whole team. so youre gonna cry poor again with one of the more solvent teams in MLB???...we would have still gotten colon...selig and steinbrenner saw to that...the all star game is in chicago..selig and reinsey are best buds..selig runs the expos but wants them contracted or moved...put it all together...we were getting colon..even KW couldnt have screwed that up...this is our shot...durham should have been here for it mlb is starting to look more like WWE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted January 25, 2003 Author Share Posted January 25, 2003 Yeah, but I was talking about Howry. Ray had the big salary that was not going to be renewed. As much as I disagree with the Durham trade, I can at least see some logic to it. But Howry????? and now we have the line drive maker, Ricky White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Howry is going to mamke over 2.5 mil this season, thats why the Sox's got rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off While I agree with you Baggs on this team looking better with Durham at 2B, I would have to disagree with your assessment of him as a lead-off man. Durham never did that well at the lead-off position of the batting order..... he always had better percentages at number two or, for a time in 2001, the number 3 hole in the line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 the only thing i didnt like about durham is he thought he was a power hitter at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 I agree. Heh, I was at Camp where there was no paper, nothing from the outside. I got home and was as shocked as the rest of us. Anywho, Durham and Howry shouldn't have left. That was a bad idea out of Kenny Williams' skull. (He has no brain anymore, I refer to him as having a skull now.) Howry was a great guy, and did good stuff. That was s*** wat KW did. Durham was awesome, we now have a little more "inexpirienced" medicore player there. Yes I agree with you on the rest. i would have kept durham and howry too..especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off Or if we still had Durham he could play center and Jiminez could play second. Then our team would be complete, for 2003 atleast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Durham could be a disaster playingin CF...position changes that are that drastic can ruin careers....and you can look no further than the man in charge of the moves for the White Sox. Kenny Williams was moved from outfield to 3B by Hawk Harrelson if I've heard and understood correctly...after one good year of play, Kenny Williams became a s***ty ball player. Durham will probably be fine...but it doesn't mean that the risk isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Durham could be a disaster playingin CF...position changes that are that drastic can ruin careers....and you can look no further than the man in charge of the moves for the White Sox. Kenny Williams was moved from outfield to 3B by Hawk Harrelson if I've heard and understood correctly...after one good year of play, Kenny Williams became a s***ty ball player. Durham will probably be fine...but it doesn't mean that the risk isn't there. good point on moving him cubkilla..i agree that durham might not have been a prototypical lead off man for us ..but he is a hell of a lot better than what we have now..which is an unproven jimenez...myself i liked ray in '01 when he hit in the 3 spot...man he seemed to really crank it up a notch that year..42 doubles 10 triples and 20 homers...thats serious extra base power...combine that with his stolen bases and he was on 2nd base or farther by his own doing about as much as anyone in baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 27, 2003 Share Posted January 27, 2003 I agree. Heh, I was at Camp where there was no paper, nothing from the outside. I got home and was as shocked as the rest of us. Anywho, Durham and Howry shouldn't have left. That was a bad idea out of Kenny Williams' skull. (He has no brain anymore, I refer to him as having a skull now.) Howry was a great guy, and did good stuff. That was s*** wat KW did. Durham was awesome, we now have a little more "inexpirienced" medicore player there. Yes I agree with you on the rest. i would have kept durham and howry too..especially durham...think about how much better we would look right now with him on 2nd base and leading off I'll agree with you on that Baggs. Durham would be sweet hitting in the 2 hole behind Jimenez or leading off in front of Jimenez. Then I'd dump Manos. As far as the Lofton deal goes...it was brilliant and the one good thing I can say about the Ray deal is it gave other guys an opportunity to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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