Sox1422 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Just reported that talks between the Sox and the Dodgers are back on. The deal would be Odalis Perez for either Konerko or Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 In all honesty, I'd rather see Thomas dealt then Konerko. I got a feeling deep down, the reports are true and Thomas probably causes a lot of tension in the clubhouse. I think Konerko will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Just reported that talks between the Sox and the Dodgers are back on. The deal would be Odalis Perez for either Konerko or Thomas. Perez for Konerko and his 17 Mill over 2 years? Yes. Perez for Thomas? I won't go to a single game in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Perez for Konerko and his 17 Mill over 2 years? Yes. Perez for Thomas? I won't go to a single game in 2004. What the f*** is with people bulls***ting about trading Thomas. Not gonna happen. If it does I'll eat my crow. But it's NOT going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 If the Sox trade Frank Thomas for Odalis Perez, and Thomas hits 40 homers, they will get absolutely crushed in the media. I am not high on Perez. He has good stuff, but seems to be a clubhouse cancer. Taking into account he pitches in the NL at a definite pitcher's park, his stats last year were brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Trading Thomas would be a serious mistake. Honestly, Perez isn't that good to trade Konerko or Thomas. Just give it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox10 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 In all honesty, I'd rather see Thomas dealt then Konerko. I got a feeling deep down, the reports are true and Thomas probably causes a lot of tension in the clubhouse. I think Konerko will be back. i agree i think konerko will be back this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox1422 Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 I couldn't agree more. I know starting pitching is a bit of a weakness, but trading either of these two guys for a mediocre pitcher is not the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 It would not surprise me in the least if Thomas is traded. KW has had a hard on for getting rid of Frank for a long time now. I also think that is why Ozzie was hired to start this BS with Frank and get him to want to leave. It just wouldn't surprise me if it were Frank they were tryin to push out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 What the f*** is with people bulls***ting about trading Thomas. Not gonna happen. If it does I'll eat my crow. But it's NOT going to happen. Now that we know that 2002 was tricept-related.... Now that he only makes 6 Mill.... Trading a HOF'er, one of the few people on this team worth watching......for volatile Perez who can put up a 5.50 ERA just as easily as 3.50 one? This organization is insane. We already know what happened the last time we got rid of a star player whom Kenny disliked for an overrated project..... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elcaballo45 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Im at the point where i dont want to lose either of them, because i know whatever one leaves will love the LA area so much that they'll play there ass off and we'll wonder why we traded them. Odalis isnt that special anyway, hes inconsistant, and gets rocked a lot. If i remember right, we scored like 8 runs on him last year at LA, so if we were rocking him, he cant be that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 If it's Perez for Thomas we should at least get a prospect thrown into da deal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 OK, I will go out on a limb here ... Thomas will be the one traded to the Dodgers. There has been too much smoke about relationship problems with KW, and some people have stated that he's given approval to a trade to the Dodgers. When I say that, I mean "approved" in terms of his contract (10/5 guy). As for my opinion on this, I am a Sox fan and a traditionalist, in addition to being a student of sports history. From that perspective, I would be saddened to see Thomas being traded from the only team he's ever played for. That being said, it's also my opinion that no player should be untouchable. If someone is willing to offer enough for a player, it would be foolish to not listen. But if it's just Perez for Thomas, I'm against that. Talk about pressure for Perez, wow. The smoke is beginning to clear though. 1). Dodgers ownership situation resolved. 2). Dodgers need a big right handed bat. 3). Dodger owner states intention to make a big splash. 4). Frank Thomas apparantly at odds with Sox management (not owners). 5). Thomas supposedly ok's deal to Los Angeles. All I'm saying is, it fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Ok guys, in about 5 minutes Bruce will be on to talk about the trade. Tune in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Just reported that talks between the Sox and the Dodgers are back on. The deal would be Odalis Perez for either Konerko or Thomas. I highly doubt either of these trades happen. Who reported this Levine? Cough cough bulls*** cough cough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcollapse Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 away from la perez's numbers were pretty bad. to trade for him straight up for either konerko or thomas would be a bad move. It would not surprise me in the least if Thomas is traded. KW has had a hard on for getting rid of Frank for a long time now. i agree here, the talk comes up every spring and for some reason it seems like kw really wants to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 To tell the truth I am not a big fan of Frank, but to trade him away for just Perez is insane. He may have struggled the past few years but last year wasn't bad. 40hrs and 100+ RBI. They would have to get atleast a prospect along with Perez for Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Konerko + Diaz + Wright for Perez I could see. Thomas + Pacheco for Jackson and Mota I'd do. Thomas for Perez, who isn't that cheap OR that good? NO! Thomas can't play 1B aanymore, will break down. Mark my words. His last 2 HEALTHY seasons, Frank averaged 975 OPS. His name is worth tickets AND publicity, whether negative or not doesn't matter. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Lets see, if the Sox move Thomas for Perez and a decent prospect or something along those lines and then they sign Travis Lee to provide some left handed pop and to be the DH, then I'm all for it. I am a huge Thomas fan and he could very well put up good numbers, but Perez is a quality left handed starter that would make the rotation better and I just think it may be a big case of addition by subtraction. The guy hit .278 last year with 19 hr's, and a .348 OBP. And who knows at 28, he's right in the prime of his career and those numbers could really take off. More importantly, it gives the Sox a left handed bat with some pop in the middle of the order. Get a solid enough of a prospect (No, not Jackson, etc...although if they got someone like that...way more power to the Sox ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Oh and BTW.....Danny and Rauch will be excellent relief men, mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Bruce believes trading Frank Thomas is a win/win situation for Sox and Dodgers. Says Frank needs to rekindle his career and Perez would provide us with a ligitimate LHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 I can agree with that win/win. Its best for Frank to get away from Ozzie and KW. Good for the Sox because they would get another decent starter they need. We will see how it all shakes out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Lets see, if the Sox move Thomas for Perez and a decent prospect or something along those lines and then they sign Travis Lee to provide some left handed pop and to be the DH, then I'm all for it. I am a huge Thomas fan and he could very well put up good numbers, but Perez is a quality left handed starter that would make the rotation better and I just think it may be a big case of addition by subtraction. The guy hit .278 last year with 19 hr's, and a .348 OBP. And who knows at 28, he's right in the prime of his career and those numbers could really take off. More importantly, it gives the Sox a left handed bat with some pop in the middle of the order. Get a solid enough of a prospect (No, not Jackson, etc...although if they got someone like that...way more power to the Sox ). Joel Hanrahan, Franklyn Gutierrez or James Loney is prob da best we can hope for for a prospect. No way we get Miller or Jackson unless we add sumthin with Thomas like Cotts or Borchard. Lee would add sum nice LH pop as well, think he made bout $650,000 with da Devil Rays last year rite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Frank needs to rekindle his career? Does Levineline even watch baseball? That's right, he was the guy who said last May that Frank was through, and Konerko and Daubach should get all the playing time at 1B and DH. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bruce Levine is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Lets see, if the Sox move Thomas for Perez and a decent prospect or something along those lines and then they sign Travis Lee to provide some left handed pop and to be the DH, then I'm all for it. I am a huge Thomas fan and he could very well put up good numbers, but Perez is a quality left handed starter that would make the rotation better and I just think it may be a big case of addition by subtraction. The guy hit .278 last year with 19 hr's, and a .348 OBP. And who knows at 28, he's right in the prime of his career and those numbers could really take off. More importantly, it gives the Sox a left handed bat with some pop in the middle of the order. Get a solid enough of a prospect (No, not Jackson, etc...although if they got someone like that...way more power to the Sox ). Travis Lee is a 750 career OPS player who'll be making only 4 Mill less than Frank Thomas will be.....and who might not perform that well playing on a team which is actually in a pennant race, with Frank's fans riding his ASS mercilessly should he, godforbid, get into a smallest of slumps. I see KW Propaganda Machine has finally convinced Sox fans that Frank is expendable. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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