DonkeyKongerko Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 ...he had another below average season by his standards like in 2003? Especially if Carlos, Frank, and maybe PK had very good seasons. Two below average seasons in a row is hard for anybody to ignore and could significantly lower his free agent value after '04. Does anyone think we would have a better chance of keeping Maggs if his value was seriously depreciated after 2004, or does he really just wanna get the heck out of Dodge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i didnt think he had an off year even by his standards... 606ab 95r 192h 46d 3t 29hr 99rbi .317ba .926ops other than his rbi's being down a little his other numbers are at his career average or better ..his 192 hits were a career high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 ...he had another below average season by his standards like in 2003? Especially if Carlos, Frank, and maybe PK had very good seasons. Two below average seasons in a row is hard for anybody to ignore and could significantly lower his free agent value after '04. Does anyone think we would have a better chance of keeping Maggs if his value was seriously depreciated after 2004, or does he really just wanna get the heck out of Dodge? Last season wasn't bad by any standard and in a contract year you know he's gonna be killing the ball all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 If he had a bad year, he'd probably take less money from the Sox. But he's not going to have a bad year so you can forget about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 I think Maggs will hit .325, 35 hr's, 135 rbi's this year. He's gonna make sure that he gets his 15 mill a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 He had a bad year in GIDP's and in going for HR glory when going for lesser hits would have been in the team's better interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 I think Maggs will hit .325, 35 hr's, 135 rbi's this year. He's gonna make sure that he gets his 15 mill a year... So, he's going to make an all out effort in 2004 so that he can become aslacker in the years ahead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i didnt think he had an off year even by his standards... 606ab 95r 192h 46d 3t 29hr 99rbi .317ba .926ops other than his rbi's being down a little his other numbers are at his career average or better ..his 192 hits were a career high The # 3 + 4 hitter in todays game should hit 100 or more RBI. There is no excuse not to unless he is injured for a significant amount of time or the offense is awful. In Magglios case neither of these situations fit. How the hell do you get 606 ABs and hit 29 homers in the middle of a good white sox line up and don't get at least 100 RBI? And he wants 14 million over 5 seasons? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Maggs definetly has to have a better year then last year if he wants that kinda of money, theres no doubt about that. If he has the same year as he had last year dont expect to many teams to be offering him 14 million a year. His free agent value could definetly increase if he has a great year, and i think thats what he will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 The # 3 + 4 hitter in todays game should hit 100 or more RBI. There is no excuse not to unless he is injured for a significant amount of time or the offense is awful. In Magglios case neither of these situations fit. How the hell do you get 606 ABs and hit 29 homers in the middle of a good white sox line up and don't get at least 100 RBI? And he wants 14 million over 5 seasons? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!! he was one rbi away!!....one rbi and you lose the premise for your whole arguement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 My contention is that he was down about 20 RBI from his average over the past four seasons 1999-2002. 2002 may have been a career year but his swinging for the fences and GIDP totals have to weigh into people's minds along with the 2003 decline in numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 The # 3 + 4 hitter in todays game should hit 100 or more RBI. There is no excuse not to unless he is injured for a significant amount of time or the offense is awful. In Magglios case neither of these situations fit. How the hell do you get 606 ABs and hit 29 homers in the middle of a good white sox line up and don't get at least 100 RBI? And he wants 14 million over 5 seasons? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!! :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 The # 3 + 4 hitter in todays game should hit 100 or more RBI. There is no excuse not to unless he is injured for a significant amount of time or the offense is awful. In Magglios case neither of these situations fit. How the hell do you get 606 ABs and hit 29 homers in the middle of a good white sox line up and don't get at least 100 RBI? And he wants 14 million over 5 seasons? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!! How about if the #1, #2 hitters esentially don't do their jobs? The top of our order sucked for most of the year. Maggs didn't have nearly as many RISP chances as years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 That's bulls***. D'Angelo Jimenez, Willie Harris, and Tony Graffanino were more than adequate, and they were always on base waiting to get driven in - how can you argue that? Those guys could flat out hit the s*** out of a baseball. Ty Cobb would bow to them. Yeah, they were always thrown out at a base, or too stupid to know how to act in the basepaths, but my argument still stands. Maggs sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 he was one rbi away!!....one rbi and you lose the premise for your whole arguement Yeah and so do all the people that didn't like Mark Grace because he never hit 100 RBI. He was 9 away one year, 8 another and 2 away yet again. The point is he didn't do it and he was the #4 hitter the entire season with over 600 at bats for a pretty damn good lineup with 29 HRs. He should have had 100 RBI. One away or not, he didn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 How about if the #1, #2 hitters esentially don't do their jobs? The top of our order sucked for most of the year. Maggs didn't have nearly as many RISP chances as years past. If you do want to go by that argument , then how do you explain both Thomas and Lee going over 100 RBI then? Lee was moved all over the lineup and still managed over 100 RBI. There is no excuse for Magglio not to have done it. Stop trying to make excuses for him. Chavez and Tejada both did it. Who was leading off on the top of the As lineup, Mark Ellis? This argument just doesn't hold water. I am by no means trying to say Maggs sucks.I am saying he better have a better year though or he can kiss his money good bye. I would not pay 14 million a year for the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 If you do want to go by that argument , then how do you explain both Thomas and Lee going over 100 RBI then? Lee was moved all over the lineup and still managed over 100 RBI. There is no excuse for Magglio not to have done it. Stop trying to make excuses for him. Chavez and Tejada both did it. Who was leading off on the top of the As lineup, Mark Ellis? This argument just doesn't hold water. I am by no means trying to say Maggs sucks.I am saying he better have a better year though or he can kiss his money good bye. I would not pay 14 million a year for the guy. I do agree that I wouldn't pay 14 million for him, but I would pay at least 11 or 12 million to one of the most consistant hitters in baseball. He has hit .300 30 100 for the last 5 seasons. He was off only this year by 1 homerun (for 30) and 1 rbi (for 100.) If maggs would had hit solo homer in the last game last year, you would lose the whole point of your arguement. Maggilo also missed time due to that elbow. He plays hard everyday, and comes up with clutch hits to help us. I'm glad he is on the sox this year. Hopefully, he can finish his career here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I do agree that I wouldn't pay 14 million for him, but I would pay at least 11 or 12 million to one of the most consistant hitters in baseball. He has hit .300 30 100 for the last 5 seasons. He was off only this year by 1 homerun (for 30) and 1 rbi (for 100.) If maggs would had hit solo homer in the last game last year, you would lose the whole point of your arguement. Maggilo also missed time due to that elbow. He plays hard everyday, and comes up with clutch hits to help us. I'm glad he is on the sox this year. Hopefully, he can finish his career here. Yes I would loose all premise to my argument, but the fact is he didn't do it. It is an accomplishment that shouldn't be too much to ask from a 11-14 million dollar a year player. That is all I am saying. He may have missed time but he still had over 600 ABs so it wasn't significant enough. Everyone plays hurt, it is a long season. I didn't see much of him coming through in the clutch last year. I remember a lot of double plays though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Very true, but I don't think Maggs was paid 11 to 14 million last year. He did earn that money.That was the first year that he looked like Konerko as far as DPs. He still hit a respectable average, hrs, rbis, etc.. Yes this year 14 million is alittle high, but I don't think he cannot deserve it. I see him having a good season this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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