baggio202 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 this was on the mlb board...no truth to it but just wondering what you guys think konerko and garland to the dodgers for iishi , edwin jackson and 2nd base prospect joe thurston (.334 at AAA last year0 and a low level prospect would you do it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 No, but I'd do it if they would accept Wright or Rauch, hell I'd give them Wright and Rauch (I for one don't think Rauch is a major league pitcher at least not a very good one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 No, but I'd do it if they would accept Wright or Rauch, hell I'd give them Wright and Rauch (I for one don't think Rauch is a major league pitcher at least not a very good one). no way would i give up garland for that. i would give up a prospect though. rauch, diaz, wright) basicly any of those but not garland he has done really well for his age, and will turn it on at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 no way we can give up garland, we're way too low on starters as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Ain't givin up on Garland, and even if we did, I'd want a betta starter than Ishii who's got control issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 its funny because the dodgers fans are jumping all over this guy for offering up jackson and thurston..i guess they are ranked pretty high up in the dodgers farm system...jackson turned 20 in sept last year and had a great month..he is the 3rd rated prospect in the dodgers org and 99th in all of baseball.. this thurston guy i cant find too much out about him other than he he had a hell of a year at AAA..334 39D , 13T ,12HR , 55 rbi and 22 sb's..set franchise record with 197 hits , which also led all of the minors... if this thurston guy is a legit prospect id make that trade..iishi , who is only 30 can replace what garland has done in the past...cause i really thinkl willie harris is gonna lay a big one this year and we will still need a lead off hitter / 2nd baseman... this trade swings in the sox favor imo because we save about 6 million in salary with konerko vrs iishi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 its funny because the dodgers fans are jumping all over this guy for offering up jackson and thurston..i guess they are ranked pretty high up in the dodgers farm system...jackson turned 20 in sept last year and had a great month..he is the 3rd rated prospect in the dodgers org and 99th in all of baseball.. this thurston guy i cant find too much out about him other than he he had a hell of a year at AAA..334 39D , 13T ,12HR , 55 rbi and 22 sb's..set franchise record with 197 hits , which also led all of the minors... if this thurston guy is a legit prospect id make that trade..iishi , who is only 30 can replace what garland has done in the past...cause i really thinkl willie harris is gonna lay a big one this year and we will still need a lead off hitter / 2nd baseman... this trade swings in the sox favor imo because we save about 6 million in salary with konerko vrs iishi Thurston will compete with Cora for the second base job ova there. I'd prefer Hanarran their 3rd main startin prospect, to giv us more depth in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 This Thurston guy could be a AAAA player for all we know. Defensively, he could resemble Roberto Duran (hands of stone) more than Roberto Alomar. I'm not all that familiar with Ishii other than he got hit with that line drive last year. Is he worth Konerko straight up? I kind of doubt it, but I'll wait for feedback form you guys. (Konerko haters, we know how you feel. ) I'm kind of looking at like that. PK for Ishii and then Garland for Jackson and Thurston. Let's the last guy we got that was a 20 year old phenom who could step into our rotation was, ummmm, Jon Garland! No thanks. I don't want to wait another 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 if this thurston guy is a legit prospect id make that trade..iishi , who is only 30 can replace what garland has done in the past...cause i really thinkl willie harris is gonna lay a big one this year and we will still need a lead off hitter / 2nd baseman... Thurston was supposed to be ready to step into the Majors last year and was a big reason they traded Grudz and Karros to the Cubs. He had a horrible spring and couldn't win the 2B job, which contributed to making that trade look so bad. His average in AAA last year dropped from .334 in 2002 to .290 last year. His SB's went from 22 to 1. Some may feel he is still a legit prospect, but last year was definitely disappointing for him. He was BA's #5 prospect for the Dodgers last year and dropped out of the top ten this year. Sometimes guys have setbacks and they bounce back, so anything is possible for "joey Ballgame" as he was called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Garland's a safe pick, but doesn't Jackson have more upside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 As much as I like Konerko and Garland, I'd love to acquire Edwin Jackson. So I would have to say I would be all for this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 As great as it would be to get Jackson and/or Miller I don't see the Dodgers trading either mostly because they don't have to, and if they were available there'd be 29 teams offering up trade deals for them. I mean don't ya think Torii Hunter would all of a sudden be available? Or Nomar, or Andruw Jones, or Chipper Jones? Hidalgo is already available and Houston is willing to send money with him. Does Brett Boone become available, or Chavez from the A's, or Soriano in NY or Sweeney in KC or Lowell in Florida? Where does the soon to be FA Maggs stack up then? And for Konerko? Puhlease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 i would do that deal. mainly because i don't think garland will ever be anything more than a number three and i think ishii is a three or four and edwin is projected as a one or two. that said i hope jon has a great year and takes a couple steps forward in consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 This Thurston guy could be a AAAA player for all we know. Defensively, he could resemble Roberto Duran (hands of stone) more than Roberto Alomar. I'm not all that familiar with Ishii other than he got hit with that line drive last year. Is he worth Konerko straight up? I kind of doubt it, but I'll wait for feedback form you guys. (Konerko haters, we know how you feel. ) I'm kind of looking at like that. PK for Ishii and then Garland for Jackson and Thurston. Let's the last guy we got that was a 20 year old phenom who could step into our rotation was, ummmm, Jon Garland! No thanks. I don't want to wait another 3 years. I would do Ishii for Konerko. Ishii is a very solid 3rd pitcher and I think Coop would make him a little better. He gets himself in trouble, but he k's a heck of a lot of batters. Come to think of it, there are some similarities between Ishii's numbers and Cotts minor league numbers in the terms that walks were really his biggest concern. Ishii or Perez, only difference is Perez is a little younger and probably has more upside, but Ishii has shown a pretty good ERA and seems durable although he throws a ton of pitches and kind of has trouble getting deep into games. I think if you get Ishii and Thurston then its a good deal (For Konerko). Or Perez and Thurston. And Baggs, I Think your going off a year ago's stats cause I don't think Thurston did that good this past year in AAA. Last year he was annoited the Dodgers starter and struggled in spring training (Grudz demanded to be traded when he wasn't going to be given a shot at 2nd base; hence the Hundley deal that helped the Cubs so much). Thurston is very fast, could be Willie Harris Jr (Not quite as quick) but he's supposed to be very solid. Would be a great backup plan and the guy is supposed to be a darn good hitter. For whatever its worth the Dodgers have kind of fallen out of love with him (last year they were raving about him) and people believe he will be dealt as a "throw in". And Edwin Jackson is probably one of the 10 best pitching prospects in all of baseball as well as Miller. Hanrahan is also very very good. If by the start of spring training we have Perez or Ishii as our 4th starter, Garland as our 3rd (only reason I'd do this is to break up the lefties Buehrle and Perez/Ishii) and then Jackson/Miller as our 5th I'd be very happy. I know the Sox would probably be tempted to give Scho the gig, but I also see no harm in having him as a long relief lefty and a back up plan. Scho did do solid out of the pen and has some good stuff. And if this cost the Sox Thomas or Konerko then I'd be perfectly content at the end of the day. I know the Sox offense will be more then capable of fielding a winning team whether they have Thomas or Konerko (sign Travis Lee as the replacement, or Randall Simon; Neither are as good, but they are quality left handed bats; I prefer Lee cause he can also play OF and has a better eye). Knowing that the Sox would have strong 5 man rotation (All of their pitchers, I guess other then Elo have the ability to get much better, even Buehrle has that ability but I don't really know how Elo could do better, I'll be pumped if he puts up what he did last year and I have confidence that he can). And Baggs, Jackson is fantastic. Miller is a hard throwing lefty for those unfamiliar while Jackson is a hard throwing righty who looked very sharp late last season. I still think it would be difficult to get something like this for Thomas or Konerko, but maybe the Dodgers really are desperate and if they get Maddux it could happen. I'd guess the Sox would have to give the Dodgers someone like Rauch or a position player, hell, whatever they want, I'd give them Borchard to finalize the deal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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