WillieHarris2 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Griffey hasnt had a good since 2000 i mean come on this guy is prone to injury and you cant even come close to judging billy koch like that. He had one bad year, and maybe if he has another bad year you could say he's becoming the next griffey but for now its way to early to be calling koch the next griffey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 While it would be interesting, the sox just can't take a change on griffey and didn't this rumor come up a couple months ago too? I will come up in a couple months too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Griffey hasnt had a good since 2000 i mean come on this guy is prone to injury and you cant even come close to judging billy koch like that. He had one bad year, and maybe if he has another bad year you could say he's becoming the next griffey but for now its way to early to be calling koch the next griffey. the reason griffey hasnt had a good season is because of injuries...even last year he hit 13 homers in 166 at bats...over a full season that comes to 45 homers or so...' the question isnt his talent..i believe he still has the same ability he had 5 years ago...its can he stay healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Is there a possibility that Cincy would be able to eat 3 million ( A fourth ) of Griffey's salary every year for the rest of his contract? Has a thing such as that ever been done before, and would there be a good possibility that that situation could happen? It's an honest question because I'm not too familiar with trading contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Is there a possibility that Cincy would be able to eat 3 million ( A fourth ) of Griffey's salary every year for the rest of his contract? Has a thing such as that ever been done before, and would there be a good possibility that that situation could happen? It's an honest question because I'm not too familiar with trading contracts. Not Cincy, no. Can't see them doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Why shouldn't we get Griffey? We can get a lot out of guys who are on their last legs and whose careers are over. Just look at George Foster, Steve Carlton, Jerry Reuss, Charlie Hough, Greg Luzinski, Tom Seaver, George Bell, and Todd Ritchie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Reitsma can be out 5th starter. It was a few years ago when he had a breakout season as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Why shouldn't we get Griffey? We can get a lot out of guys who are on their last legs and whose careers are over. Just look at George Foster, Steve Carlton, Jerry Reuss, Charlie Hough, Greg Luzinski, Tom Seaver, George Bell, and Todd Ritchie. Interesting that you'd add Seaver in there Past as I like the parallel's to Maddux. Seaver was about the same age as Maddux now when we got him and was our best pitcher we had for 2 yrs winning 31 games and of course giving us that memorable 300th win in Yankee Stadium(if Maddux could do they same in Wrigley on the 4th of July, man........). Actually, Seaver should be held up as the example FOR signing Maddux for 2 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Konerko's numbers will be back this year, and Koch can only improve from last year. He definitely won't be the dominating closer or anything; it'll be impossible for him to get all his speed back. However, I would much rather keep the two instead of taking the chance on Griffey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Konerko's numbers will be back this year, Why do people keep saying that? Once the emotional problems/existential angst jeanie is out, it's tough to put him back in. I expect Paulie to be his schtzophrenic (ok, bipolar) self in 2004, only without the depressing lows of 2003: 800 OPS/85 RBI is what we're looking at. Of course 20+ GIDP. Base-clogging. "Doubles" down the line off his glove. The works. We're paying him 8.5 Mill per until 2006. Frankly, I liked him more when he was making 2.5 Mill and could actually hit a slider. and Koch can only improve from last year 4.80 ERA is a step up from 5.60 one. A 94mph straight-as-arrow fastball is better than a 92mph one. Sure. Does it make it worthwhile paying him 6.30 Mill? Griffey won't happen, so don't worry about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I never said anything about them earning what they make though. I just said they would perform back to their normal levels. I agree that both of their contracts are terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 To me, Griffey Jr. is an enigma. When he was in Seattle, he was one of the best 3 players in baseball, and rarely suffered injuries. He goes to Cincinnati, and all of a sudden, he's a china doll. Some people say the stress of playing in his hometown affected his numbers, but stress doesn't explain how he keeps getting season-ending injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 To me, Griffey Jr. is an enigma. When he was in Seattle, he was one of the best 3 players in baseball, and rarely suffered injuries. He goes to Cincinnati, and all of a sudden, he's a china doll. Some people say the stress of playing in his hometown affected his numbers, but stress doesn't explain how he keeps getting season-ending injuries. Lack of flexibility-strenghening conditioning and far from ideal fundamentals (on slides, dives, etc) coupled with some REALLY bad luck is what did him in. You can get away with it to a degree when in your teens-early-mid 20s, but once you're 30+, muscles, ligaments and joints need special maintanence. Griff's laziness caught up with him. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Brando, That sounds like the old scouting report on Kevin McReynolds. He had a ton of natural talent, but was admittedly lazy and never worked out. When he hit his 30's, his numbers declined dramatically. When asked about his decline, I can remember reading a quote from a Mets scout that said, "He's never been a worker. He could get away with that when he was 22, but not 32." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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