BrandoFan Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 What, screwing over the environment the way it hasn't been screwed over in 30 years isn't important enough to crack the list? For Shame That's why I added "and other follies". I knew I left half the issues out. It was 2AM. Besides, I dont know much about those enviromental problems you speak of. Could you elaborate in detail when you have the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Berkshire Hathaway anyone? His annuel mission statements are highly coveted. The man is versed in everything, including the Bible. Fascinating dude. Are his headquarters still in that tiny office in some flyover state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted February 18, 2004 Author Share Posted February 18, 2004 Nuke, I also had a question for you: How come you have not come out and openly condemned Ann Coulter for her slanderous comments about Max Cleland regarding his military service? Just wondering. Maybe because I dont know what the hell you are talking about. Unlike you I dont have time to follow what every "pundit" has to say about everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 This was Coulter's statement: Max Cleland is the Democrats' designated hysteric about George Bush's National Guard service. A triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, Cleland is making the rounds on talk TV, basking in the affection of liberals who have suddenly become jock-sniffers for war veterans and working himself into a lather about President Bush's military service...if we're going to start delving into exactly who did what back then, maybe Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam. Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman or what Cleland sneeringly calls "weekend warriors."? Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam." Now, here's the truth of what happened to Cleland in Vietnam: As for the claim that a Silver Star winner is not a "war hero," Coulter said people "should stop allowing [Cleland to be] portrayed as a war hero" - despite the fact that, in a separate incident four days before he lost three limbs, Cleland won a Silver Star - one of the highest honors for combat courage the U.S. military gives out. The congressional citation which came with the medal specifically said that during a "heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack Captain Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions." The citation concluded, "Cleland's gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit and the United States Army." Coulter's claim that it was a non-combat incident was also false, as the 8/1/99 Esquire Magazine notes: "Cleland lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam when a grenade accidentally detonated after he and another soldier jumped off a helicopter in a combat zone." Peter Carlson of the Washington Post also wrote: "On April 8, 1968, during the siege of Khe Sanh, he stepped off a helicopter and saw a grenade at his feet. He thought he'd dropped it. He was wrong. When he reached down to pick it up, it exploded, ripping off both legs and his right hand. He was 25." He returned home to Georgia in December 1969. "I had no job, no girlfriend, no car, no hope," he says. "I figured this is a good time to run for the state Senate. And politics became my therapy, forcing me to get out of the house and be seen." In 1970, at 28, he became the youngest person ever elected to the Georgia Senate. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to head the Veterans Administration. In 1982, he was elected as Georgia's secretary of state. In 1996 he was elected to the U.S. Senate, defeating businessman Guy Millner in a very close race." That sounds like an "American Hero" to me. A role model for all people, an example that despite obstacles anyone can succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 His financier and comrade "Hanoi Jane" sat on a NVA air defense battery and took a note passed to her by a prisoner she visited to the guards resulting in the captive being beaten to death by the NVA and nobody ever prosecuted her. That means nothing. Dude, they shared the dais at a rally in 1970. TWO YEARS BEFORE the Hanoi incident. TWO YEARS BEFORE. What are potential politicians supposed to read minds before they share a podium with people years before they run for office? That's like saying that Donald Rumsfeld is guilty of treason because he met with Hussein as an agent of the US government years before Iraq became a rogue state in the eyes of the US government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 This was Coulter's statement: Max Cleland is the Democrats' designated hysteric about George Bush's National Guard service. A triple amputee and Vietnam veteran, Cleland is making the rounds on talk TV, basking in the affection of liberals who have suddenly become jock-sniffers for war veterans and working himself into a lather about President Bush's military service...if we're going to start delving into exactly who did what back then, maybe Max Cleland should stop allowing Democrats to portray him as a war hero who lost his limbs taking enemy fire on the battlefields of Vietnam. Cleland lost three limbs in an accident during a routine noncombat mission where he was about to drink beer with friends. He saw a grenade on the ground and picked it up. He could have done that at Fort Dix. In fact, Cleland could have dropped a grenade on his foot as a National Guardsman or what Cleland sneeringly calls "weekend warriors."? Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it while in Vietnam." Now, here's the truth of what happened to Cleland in Vietnam: As for the claim that a Silver Star winner is not a "war hero," Coulter said people "should stop allowing [Cleland to be] portrayed as a war hero" - despite the fact that, in a separate incident four days before he lost three limbs, Cleland won a Silver Star - one of the highest honors for combat courage the U.S. military gives out. The congressional citation which came with the medal specifically said that during a "heavy enemy rocket and mortar attack Captain Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions." The citation concluded, "Cleland's gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit and the United States Army." Coulter's claim that it was a non-combat incident was also false, as the 8/1/99 Esquire Magazine notes: "Cleland lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam when a grenade accidentally detonated after he and another soldier jumped off a helicopter in a combat zone." Peter Carlson of the Washington Post also wrote: "On April 8, 1968, during the siege of Khe Sanh, he stepped off a helicopter and saw a grenade at his feet. He thought he'd dropped it. He was wrong. When he reached down to pick it up, it exploded, ripping off both legs and his right hand. He was 25." He returned home to Georgia in December 1969. "I had no job, no girlfriend, no car, no hope," he says. "I figured this is a good time to run for the state Senate. And politics became my therapy, forcing me to get out of the house and be seen." In 1970, at 28, he became the youngest person ever elected to the Georgia Senate. In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed him to head the Veterans Administration. In 1982, he was elected as Georgia's secretary of state. In 1996 he was elected to the U.S. Senate, defeating businessman Guy Millner in a very close race." That sounds like an "American Hero" to me. A role model for all people, an example that despite obstacles anyone can succeed. There is a special place in Hell reserved for the Coultergeist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 what Karl Rove and the Republicans did to Max Cleland in the 2002 election was utterly reprehensible. Senator Cleland was seeking to have the employers of the then-proposed TSA covwered by collective bargaining and the same union rights as all other federal employees, opposed by Bush. For that, Rove and the Republicans ran ads with Cleland's and Osama bin laden's pictures together and said that Cleland was supporting terrorism. Senator Cleland was defeated after leading by a decent margin prior to those ads being run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 what Karl Rove and the Republicans did to Max Cleland in the 2002 election was utterly reprehensible. Senator Cleland was seeking to have the employers of the then-proposed TSA covwered by collective bargaining and the same union rights as all other federal employees, opposed by Bush. For that, Rove and the Republicans ran ads with Cleland's and Osama bin laden's pictures together and said that Cleland was supporting terrorism. Senator Cleland was defeated after leading by a decent margin prior to those ads being run. It was Rove and Karl's Konservative Kuties (I got that from a sign on Whitehouse.org and thought it was amusing ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Senator Cleland was seeking to have the employers of the then-proposed TSA covwered by collective bargaining and the same union rights as all other federal employees, opposed by Bush. For that, Rove and the Republicans ran ads with Cleland's and Osama bin laden's pictures together and said that Cleland was supporting terrorism. Senator Cleland was defeated after leading by a decent margin prior to those ads being run :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 :headshake I should have gone with the conventional :puke :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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