southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Just like in years past someone has always stepped up right? and we win all the time. Steff's point is not many pitchers eat up innings like that. Its good, it saves the pen even if the record was not great. So the question will be who will step up and give us 210 innings to replace bartolo? Will it be Schoney? Wright? Rauch? Any of the othr ove rhte hill broken down pieces of s*** that we signed for the minimum? I think not, therefore as I stated before a trade will need to take place...and it will. I'm sure that you didn't think Loaiza could do what he did last year either, but guess what, he did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I'm sure that you didn't think Loaiza could do what he did last year either, but guess what, he did! So as you called out earlier are you expecting the same of the other pieces of s*** we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Umm.. no. We had a pitcher last season who pitched 242 innings. He is no longer with us. We have not brought on board anyone who shows the potential to replace those innings. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. Maybe take Colon totally out of the picture. We lost an ace calibur arm. We have not replaced that arm. Where's the confusion? Here is the confusion. I feel as though you are talking in circles. At first you point out that he had 242 innings pitched last year and that will be missed. Then you say that you are not assuming he would have done the same thing this year. I believe you are saying exactly that. I don't think Colon will be missed because I don't think he will repeat those numbers. I think he will break down. I am assuming opposite of what you are assuming. That is all there is to it. It is opinion based. There aren't any facts that can back you or I up. You are going on past numbers. I am saying because of those past numbers he is overworked and overweight and will not be able to repeat those. Therefore he will not be missed because he will not be the same pitcher. That is all there is to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Oye.... Last year from our starters we got 975 innings. This year minus Colon and add Scott (hypothetical of course) - IF everyone does the same thing... 797 innings. That's 178 innings that have to be made up... By who??? Tylenol please..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Here is the confusion. I feel as though you are talking in circles. At first you point out that he had 242 innings pitched last year and that will be missed. Then you say that you are not assuming he would have done the same thing this year. I believe you are saying exactly that. I don't think Colon will be missed because I don't think he will repeat those numbers. I think he will break down. I am assuming opposite of what you are assuming. That is all there is to it. It is opinion based. There aren't any facts that can back you or I up. You are going on past numbers. I am saying because of those past numbers he is overworked and overweight and will not be able to repeat those. Therefore he will not be missed because he will not be the same pitcher. That is all there is to it. Well then.. you've missed the crystal clear point I have made and there's no further point in discussing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 So as you called out earlier are you expecting the same of the other pieces of s*** we have? Hmm, yes, I am expecting Garland to get better. I am expecting Shoenweis to get better. I am expecting more out of Cotts or Rauch.I am also expecting more production from Rowand, Maggs, Crede, Olivo, Harris, and Valentin. Are my expectations high or nieve? Maybe your right, however that is how I am. I am very optimistic heading into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Well then.. you've missed the crystal clear point I have made and there's no further point in discussing it. I guess not. Hey, at least you tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 So as you called out earlier are you expecting the same of the other pieces of s*** we have? The worst is, I don't see anyone ready to step up and pitch heavy innings. Rauch ... questions about his arm health. Diaz ... big questions on his durability. Cotts ... maybe, but still very green. Pacheco ... perhaps the best option in terms of health and experience. Grilli ... hasn't been healthy, better suited for long relief. Wright ... health question marks, better suited for pen. The thing with Colon is, yeah, he's fat and maybe his labrum is frayed ... but he pitched 242 last year and has a proven track record. We will miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I am done, I feel like I am talking to high school students. Steff nice to chat, when our manager begins pulling our fourth and fifth starters out in the fifth inning I am sure he will catch on. Oh lets not forget our beat up bullpen who many are coming off a year of injuries. We don't need our starters to chew up innings. South side, I am certian Steff doesn't care whether bartolo is the guy pitching 200 innings or someone else, her point is we need to make up the innings. It could be Greg Maddox, it could be Rauch hell it could be you. Her point is we need a person to take on thsoe innings. Its not that hard to do the math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 The worst is, I don't see anyone ready to step up and pitch heavy innings. Rauch ... questions about his arm health. Diaz ... big questions on his durability. Cotts ... maybe, but still very green. Pacheco ... perhaps the best option in terms of health and experience. Grilli ... hasn't been healthy, better suited for long relief. Wright ... health question marks, better suited for pen. The thing with Colon is, yeah, he's fat and maybe his labrum is frayed ... but he pitched 242 last year and has a proven track record. We will miss that. But Jim, did you expect Loaiza to pitch 226 innings last year? No one could have foreseen that! But it happened! Point is someone can do it. It is possible. Who knows? This is all specualtion and opinion based. There is no right or wrong here. Don't be mad at me becuase I am taking the positive approach not matter how nieve that may seem to you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I am done, I feel like I am talking to high school students. Steff nice to chat, when our manager begins pulling our fourth and fifth starters out in the fifth inning I am sure he will catch on. Oh lets not forget our beat up bullpen who many are coming off a year of injuries. We don't need our starters to chew up innings. South side, I am certian Steff doesn't care whether bartolo is the guy pitching 200 innings or someone else, her point is we need to make up the innings. It could be Greg Maddox, it could be Rauch hell it could be you. Her point is we need a person to take on thsoe innings. Its not that hard to do the math I have agreed with that and I have said that I believe somone out of our ragtag bunch will. It is my optimistic point of view. I understand it is hard to do the math, but who cares about that. Someone will do it! Who thought Loaiza would have done what he did last year? Don't write off the season already. It is only February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Its not that hard to do the math Sure it is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 But Jim, did you expect Loaiza to pitch 226 innings last year? No one could have foreseen that! But it happened! Point is someone can do it. It is possible. Who knows? This is all specualtion and opinion based. There is no right or wrong here. Don't be mad at me becuase I am taking the positive approach not matter how nieve that may seem to you guys. I am optimistic too, and yes, all the innings will ultimately be pitched. It is possible, and I would even go so far to say it is very possible, someone will step up ala Loaiza. And I hope they do, just like you. But no one has the track record. Until someone does it, all they have is potential. Call me practical, but I prefer someone with a track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcollapse Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 officialy posted on mlb http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ex.jsp?c_id=cws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 officialy posted on mlb http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ex.jsp?c_id=cws Ah cool. Thanks. I even did a google search and couldn't find anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Why is that the top story on the site? Who gives a sh*t about Robert Person....I know I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Why is that the top story on the site? Who gives a sh*t about Robert Person....I know I don't. Hey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Why is that the top story on the site? Who gives a sh*t about Robert Person....I know I don't. In all seriousness, what has happened in the last week to be the headline? Hell what has happened since Soxfest? Nothing. This is a slow news time, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 In all seriousness, what has happened in the last week to be the headline? Hell what has happened since Soxfest? Nothing. This is a slow news time, nothing more. Good point, but then again, with this news its just going to make fans complain more about the lack of a 4th and 5th starter this club has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcollapse Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 this news its just going to make fans complain more about the lack of a 4th and 5th starter this club has... i don't think robert person could lead to 7+ page debate here on soxtalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Oh STFU Brando.. I'm the LAST person writing off anything. Well, you DID write off quite a bit of s*** on your tax return. And of COURSE having Bartolo and Uncle Tom "technically" wouldn't hurt, you're right. But at what friggin' price? Hopefully: ....Mark Burhle proves me wrong and has a "Burhle" season. Last year sure as hell wasn't it. ...Cliff Politte has a one of his "good" seasons as well. ...Danny Wright is healthy and allowed to unleash that fury in relief duty. ...Billy Koch actually pitcher like he's pitches throughout his career. ....Kelly Wunsht logs more innigs and Shingo frustrates the balls off ALC hitters with his deceptive delivery, location, movement and change of speeds. ....Garland actually discovers that he is a MAN afterall. ...Munoz is rested and ready to kick ass. ...one of Shoenweiss with his cutter, Rauch, homocottsual, Grilli and Pacheco gives another solid starter. If all that happens, nobody is going to miss Colon and Gordon. If SOME of it happens, then they will be missed by not too badly. Our offense will make up for it. So.... No need to give up this early, Girlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. Maybe take Colon totally out of the picture. We lost an ace calibur arm. We have not replaced that arm. Colon is NOT, nor has EVER (ok, in 2002) never been an ACE! Holy mother of asjkfhsjfsdifsvsvs......The guy with career ERA of almost 4.00 pitching in a WEAK-hitting ALC......No way. Last year his ERA was 3.90 in a very weak-hitting ALC, which is still very solid but FAR, FAR from ACE. Now that he's gotten PAYED big-time, what's the incentive for him to bust his ass? He'll continue to get bigger and one of these days, David Wells-esque health problems will come a-knocking-- and unlike Boomer, Bartolo doesn't have the secondary pitches or control to be effective if got forbid he losses a 2-3 mph off of his fastball. Too much money, too much risk for a HIGH-3.00 ERA pitcher. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 . Colon is NOT, nor has EVER (ok, in 2002) never been an ACE! Holy mother of asjkfhsjfsdifsvsvs......The guy with career ERA of almost 4.00 pitching in a WEAK-hitting ALC......No way. Last year his ERA was 3.90 in a very weak-hitting ALC, which is still very solid but FAR, FAR from ACE. Now that's gotten PAYED big-time, what's the insentive for him to bust his ass? He'll continue to get bigger and one of these days, David Wells-esque health problems will come a-knocking-- and unlike Boomer, Bartolo doesn't have the secondary pitches or control to be effective if got forbid he losses a 2-3 mph off of his fastball. Too much money, too much risk for a HIGH-3.00 ERA pitcher. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 . Colon is NOT, nor has EVER (ok, in 2002) never been an ACE! Holy mother of asjkfhsjfsdifsvsvs......The guy with career ERA of almost 4.00 pitching in a WEAK-hitting ALC......No way. Last year his ERA was 3.90 in a very weak-hitting ALC, which is still very solid but FAR, FAR from ACE. Now that he's gotten PAYED big-time, what's the incentive for him to bust his ass? He'll continue to get bigger and one of these days, David Wells-esque health problems will come a-knocking-- and unlike Boomer, Bartolo doesn't have the secondary pitches or control to be effective if got forbid he losses a 2-3 mph off of his fastball. Too much money, too much risk for a HIGH-3.00 ERA pitcher. YMMV. Ehem... he pitched MORE innings and was better than everyone else.. he WAS an ACE on this team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 There are entirely too many smilies in your reponse, methinks. You wish to offend Voodoo's Majesty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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