the "not in our name" group

[DonkeyKongerko]

Wait a second, maybe this is just my anger but youre not saying you support this guy are you? At one point you say you support him voicing his opinion but then you call his claims ridiculous. Which is it? Sorry if you feel Im putting you on the spot. Please just explain that in more laymans terms... Thanks...

I support the country that allows people to voice their opinions. I am all for the first amendment. In the end it was shown how ridiculous a number of his claims really were and offered some responses to them. So no I cannot say I support the "not in our name" group because it seems they use far too many appeals to emotion and pity which are the most common logical fallacies and usually a sign of a lack of a solid case.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Wait a second, maybe this is just my anger but youre not saying you support this guy are you? At one point you say you support him voicing his opinion but then you call his claims ridiculous. Which is it? Sorry if you feel Im putting you on the spot. Please just explain that in more laymans terms... Thanks...

I support the country that allows people to voice their opinions. I am all for the first amendment. In the end it was shown how ridiculous a number of his claims really were and offered some responses to them. So no I cannot say I support the "not in our name" group because it seems they use far too many appeals to emotion and pity which are the most common logical fallacies and usually a sign of a lack of a solid case.

U.N. sanctions that don't allow for the fixture of their water purification plants, refigeration plants, etc. The waterborn diseases like cholera, etc. along with malnutrition have f***ed the Iraqi civilians over. These diseases and not being able to have the materials to fix these problems (that our Gulf War I bombings caused because we targeted those areas) are killing thousands of Iraqi civilians.

 

Yes, Saddam is evil. But bombings? Bombings to get one person. I believe we found that didn't work in catching Hitler...that didn't work catching Osama bin Laden, so why would it work now? He's may be insane but he's not stupid.

 

And about him not wanting U.N. inspectors into his country to see every part of his military complex. Granted, I may be wrong but only one country has actually USED a nuclear device...and U.S. bombs are weapons of mass destruction as well and we've amassed quite the arsenal and we have a cokehead boozehound redneck for a President that is more than willing to use them. Why doesn't the U.N. inspect our weapons? Would we be outraged in that happened to us? That's why the Iraqis are pissed off.

Saddam can be taken out without massive bombings that kill civilians.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Who the f*** is this guy to call us a terrorist nation? Is this prick actually American? They should take him and the members of his f***ing group and gas the motherf***ers. Or they could just give me this guys address. Id take pleasure in paying this son of a b**** a visit. Id cut his f***ing eyeballs out with a f***ing pick ax and if he had a heart I would rip it out too! This pisses me off. Ya know what, you can leave, if ya dont like it here, get the f*** out! I recently heard about some Pakistani b****ass brothers who said they hate they US but they want to come to our good colleges. Ya know what, f*** you! We aint giving our education away to sons of b****es like you. Find these nazi muffins and chop off their mutha f***in heads! Im not gonna blame our schools. I go to school here but they aint molding me into thinking that we are a terrorist nation. Heck, if theyve molded me into anything, its a patriot. I love this country! Before we start the war in Iraq. We should start the war here. People like this need to shut the f*** up, and if they wont volunteer we need to volunteer the bastards anyways! This pisses me off!

 

BTW, no matter where I use the second person form here it is not directed at any of you. Just to avoid any confusion...

WHAT A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN!

 

I guess we all have to pledge allegiance to the war. Guess what? Dubya didn't win the election on 9-11 either!

If you don't like it, get the f*** out...the most anti-American statement ever. I know that Ashcroft and the Bush regime have used the Constitution for toilet paper but there is the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech for the pro-war Hawks to the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and their racist beliefs to the pacifists that don't like to see state sponsored murder.

If you wanna shut me up because I don't want to have my friends (I have 2 friends in West Point that may get shipped out and NUKE who is over in Kuwait right now) go fight and possibly die for cheaper oil prices and to confiscate weapons that the United States sold them in the first place? During the Iran-Iraq war, we knew that Saddam was gassing the Kurds and guess what Roman?.....WE PROVIDED HIM WITH THE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS!

If he was so bad, then why did we sell him the weapons? Hmmm....

 

And if you want to get rid of dissent, then come get me out of my motherf***ing dorm room and f***ing enlist me, beeyotch! How about reading some books by Howard Zinn, William Blum, James W. Loewen, Jerry Fresia, Bishop Sprague, etc. (check my web page for a more descript reading list) Your statement was by far the most ultra-nationalist fascist bulls*** that I have ever read. In Nazi Germany they killed off anybody who dissented against their regime...so, if anybody is the pro-Nazi fanatic...it seems to be you. So, get educated before you go off in a fascist Nazi philosophy blind rage. K thx. K thx indeed.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

have a discussion with Bill O'Reilly

Were we watching the same show? That guy didn't even get to finish a sentence before Mr. Bill came and starting interjecting with his bulls*** and asking yet another question that he wouldn't allow the guy to answer.

I am gonna e-mail Mr. Bill again with the same stuff and see if he reads them....i'll spam the s*** out of him til I get on the air.

[Chisoxfn]

They don't inspect our weapons because they don't have reason to. We aren't using weapons of mass destruction to make a point. Yes, we have them, we have plenty of them, but they are used to help in peace. I know it doesn't make sense, but sometimes things escalate and if you have to get something done, you need the force and firepower to do it quickly, so the other nation can't retaliate.

 

Thats what we did in the first Gulf War. We disabled there forces immediately and stopped them from launching potential nuclear weapons, which they did have at the time. They likely still have them.

 

Also, just because we give someone weapons, doesn't mean we should just forget about it. In hindsight it was a mistake, but Saddam did help the US with those weapons at one point, if I recall. I'm gonna go back and look through the book I got the info from tonight, so I make sure I'm accurate. I got a lot to learn compared to some of the people speaking on the subject, even though I may disagree with there opinions, they are bringing up great information as are many who I agree with.

 

Korea is definately a huge threat, they have a huge army and so many people starving over in that country that its a real mess. Still, I don't know much about that area, so I'll refrain from commenting on it until I know more.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

They don't inspect our weapons because they don't have reason to.  We aren't using weapons of mass destruction to make a point.  Yes, we have them, we have plenty of them, but they are used to help in peace.  I know it doesn't make sense, but sometimes things escalate and if you have to get something done, you need the force and firepower to do it quickly, so the other nation can't retaliate.

 

Thats what we did in the first Gulf War.  We disabled there forces immediately and stopped them from launching potential nuclear weapons, which they did have at the time.  They likely still have them.

 

Also, just because we give someone weapons, doesn't mean we should just forget about it.  In hindsight it was a mistake, but Saddam did help the US with those weapons at one point, if I recall.  I'm gonna go back and look through the book I got the info from tonight, so I make sure I'm accurate.  I got a lot to learn compared to some of the people speaking on the subject, even though I may disagree with there opinions, they are bringing up great information as are many who I agree with. 

 

Korea is definately a huge threat, they have a huge army and so many people starving over in that country that its a real mess.  Still, I don't know much about that area, so I'll refrain from commenting on it until I know more.

We are on the verge of attacking Iraq for the POSSIBILITY of having nukes...yet we know that Pakistan and North Korea have nukes....and N. Korea is part of the "Axis of Evil" so why aren't we bombing them?

 

And in 1998, at the end of the U.N. inspections, Scott Ritter said that they had over 95% compliance in turning over weapons to inspectors.

 

And for the U.S. using weapons to promote peace....explain to me again how killing civilians and killing people and devestating families on both sides is going to promote peace?!

[Chisoxfn]

We don't know if it will lead to peace, but i do know peace will never exist with a dictator like Saddam in charge. He isn't out there to help the people. Things have to change. I'm not saying war is the best answer, but I do think Saddam must go. Of course, theres not much you can do if the people of Iraq hate us so much, cause it will never be a sucessful mission if the citizens don't revolt and decide they want independence.

[Soxplosion]

Who the f*** is this guy to call us a terrorist nation? Is this prick actually American? They should take him and the members of his f***ing group and gas the motherf***ers. Or they could just give me this guys address. Id take pleasure in paying this son of a b**** a visit. Id cut his f***ing eyeballs out with a f***ing pick ax and if he had a heart I would rip it out too! This pisses me off. Ya know what, you can leave, if ya dont like it here, get the f*** out! I recently heard about some Pakistani b****ass brothers who said they hate they US but they want to come to our good colleges. Ya know what, f*** you! We aint giving our education away to sons of b****es like you. Find these nazi muffins and chop off their mutha f***in heads! Im not gonna blame our schools. I go to school here but they aint molding me into thinking that we are a terrorist nation. Heck, if theyve molded me into anything, its a patriot. I love this country! Before we start the war in Iraq. We should start the war here. People like this need to shut the f*** up, and if they wont volunteer we need to volunteer the bastards anyways! This pisses me off!

 

BTW, no matter where I use the second person form here it is not directed at any of you. Just to avoid any confusion...

WHAT A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN!

 

I guess we all have to pledge allegiance to the war. Guess what? Dubya didn't win the election on 9-11 either!

If you don't like it, get the f*** out...the most anti-American statement ever. I know that Ashcroft and the Bush regime have used the Constitution for toilet paper but there is the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech for the pro-war Hawks to the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and their racist beliefs to the pacifists that don't like to see state sponsored murder.

If you wanna shut me up because I don't want to have my friends (I have 2 friends in West Point that may get shipped out and NUKE who is over in Kuwait right now) go fight and possibly die for cheaper oil prices and to confiscate weapons that the United States sold them in the first place? During the Iran-Iraq war, we knew that Saddam was gassing the Kurds and guess what Roman?.....WE PROVIDED HIM WITH THE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS!

If he was so bad, then why did we sell him the weapons? Hmmm....

 

And if you want to get rid of dissent, then come get me out of my motherf***ing dorm room and f***ing enlist me, beeyotch! How about reading some books by Howard Zinn, William Blum, James W. Loewen, Jerry Fresia, Bishop Sprague, etc. (check my web page for a more descript reading list) Your statement was by far the most ultra-nationalist fascist bulls*** that I have ever read. In Nazi Germany they killed off anybody who dissented against their regime...so, if anybody is the pro-Nazi fanatic...it seems to be you. So, get educated before you go off in a fascist Nazi philosophy blind rage. K thx. K thx indeed.

Ok, Im a Nazi for saying I love this country, which you obviously dont? I support America to the end and someday Im gonna serve my country well. I dont want to take Jews and throw em out of the country and shoot em. I say we should take out guys like Miles Solay who insult this country and its people and shoot them. Miles Solay gave America a slap in the face and he should get lost. We exiled people for communism right? Lets do the same for these people...

[cwsox]

They don't inspect our weapons because they don't have reason to.  We aren't using weapons of mass destruction to make a point.  Yes, we have them, we have plenty of them, but they are used to help in peace.

I think we do use weapons of mass destruction to make a point. And the so-called Bush doctrine of September 2002 calls for first use of all means, including nuclear, all weapons of mass destruction at our disposal. And since the current administration keep reserving to itself the right to ignore the UN Security Council and do whatever it wants, that makes us very liable to use weapons of mass destrution at any moment..

 

Whether we have used them for peace or for preserving and expanding our hegemony is a very debatable point.

 

Just the US does it does not make it right.

 

And one loves their country no less when one points out what we are doing wrong.

 

And Psycho, indeed their are times and places and situations were if I on the other side of a US action, I could and would call the US a terrorist nation. And that bothers me as an American. In our history we are no pure unique things in the world.

 

And everyone, I think the discussion has been wonderful, people are speaking from their hearts, and we are disagreeing without vitriol and rancor. It is good when we as Americans can discuss the issues that confront our nation in such a reasonable manner. A lot of people couldn't do what you all are doing here.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Ok, Im a Nazi for saying I love this country, which you obviously dont? I support America to the end and someday Im gonna serve my country well. I dont want to take Jews and throw em out of the country and shoot em. I say we should take out guys like Miles Solay who insult this country and its people and shoot them. Miles Solay gave America a slap in the face and he should get lost. We exiled people for communism right? Lets do the same for these people...

I don't support American actions that kill people and are used for promoting business interests (Trust me, Roman, I am a history major and am single so I have nothing better to do than extra-curricular reading, so I have read a s***load on the subject)

 

You can serve your country and that is your choice. I insulted the U.S. because the shoe fit with our invasions of Grenada, the Dominican Republic, our funding of the Contras which helped to greatly increase the cocaine usage in America (Congress actually de-classified the documents of the CIA involvement of selling crack cocaine from the Contras during the '80s to help fund the war in Nicaragua because we gave them guns and they gave us drugs which we sold for cash). Take the pistol out and shoot me. Elimination of any dissenters...do you know about the "Night of Long Knives" from Nazi Germany? Hitler went out and had the SS murder all of his political opponents in one night.

 

You are such a Nazi! I should get you the swastika armband and grow the little mustache, man!

We screwed people over with McCarthyism in the 1950s. "Under God" was not in the pledge...Did you know that our pledge was actually written in the 1700s by a Socialist preacher. It was not until 1954 to make us different from the atheistic Soviets that we added "Under God to the pledge and "In God we trust" to our currency...McCarthyism was one of the low points for American politics. This guy ruined innocent peoples' lives and had no proof that people were communists. It became a witch hunt.

 

You might want to read the first amendment of the Constitution though, Roman,....seriously, take the head of your ass and read the Constitution. If you are going to protect the nation then you better know what kind of country you are going to protect.

 

If you really want to kill dissenters, then kill me....kill CWSox....kill all members of the churches that have come out against the war....kill the family members that lost loved ones in 9-11 that are fighting to not let Bush and Co to use their family members as a rouse to declare war anywhere...kill college students....kill teachers...at the anti-war and pro-peace movement is growing. grab a gun Roman, looks like you have some slaughtering to do, b****.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

And Roman, America was found on the freedom of speech and the freedom to express ones ideas. I don't need to pledge allegiance to the TWAT (The War Against Terror) to be patriotic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[baggio202]

the difference between going after saddam and going after milosivec is simple...it was which party was in charge...when clinton went after milosivec , these hollywood were quiet...if they , like they claim , hate war and killing why wernt they speaking against clinton??...because he is one of their own..

 

the main reason the democrats dont want war because they know they cant win....they know, despite allthese reposrts that we could lose thousoands of soildiers that iraq is an army in shables..and one of two things will happen..and both are bad for the democrats...one is alot worse than the other..

 

1. we go in and wipe out iraq and find that saddam was just a few months away from having necleaur capability..its completely over any dem who came out against the war..thats why you havnt heard anything from guys like lieberman that are planning on running for president..cause they will be slicing their own throat...

 

2. we go in and we find out what some have said in here...some anthrax here and there and a few unused scud...but nothing of substance...no one will care though...saddam will be out of power..it will have taken very little time to accomplish this and the question will be why did wel et this guy hang around for so long..and who was in charge for 8 years prior to bush??...clinton...

 

either way the dems cant win because this war will be like duke playing prarie view in basketball..over by the 5 minute mark...

 

while there are some that oppose this war for hjard core beliefs in no violence...i understand that and respect it..but every democrat was on board when clinton went after milosivec..so none of them in charge right now that supported clinton and his wars can use that as their reason..well they can but it would be disingenuous...

[Chisoxfn]

As far as nuclear weapons go, I never ever want to see them used. Bush may of said it, but I don't think he wants to use them. If he does, then depending on the circumstances I will strongly disagree with him and would not give him my vote in a couple more years.

 

I don't think its going to happen. Also, as far as the UN is concerned, they can kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!

[Mathew]

Since the middle of the century the U.S. has decided to make itself the international Robocop. Forgive if I am stepping on toes here but a good deal of it stems from the fact that most Americans have made God in their image. When the reciever bows after his touchdown, or the ballplayer look up after the home run, that is an example(not the best one but it is a baseball board). This causes the U.S. to resent other countries that do the same. There is much more to it, just another thought.

[Mathew]

As far as nuclear weapons go, I never ever want to see them used.  Bush may of said it, but I don't think he wants to use them.  If he does, then depending on the circumstances I will strongly disagree with him and would not give him my vote in a couple more years.

 

I don't think its going to happen.  Also, as far as the UN is concerned, they can kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!

The most likely occurence of nuclear war in our situation is a bomb landing in Tel Aviv. This would be followed by a quick multi target response from the Israilies and you can bet that they would not wait for U.S. help or permission. Chernobyl is a dead sterile 350 km radius of concrete and ever aid worker fireman and helicopter piolot who came into that radius is dead. That was a small spill, life is over as we know it should their be an attack.

[Cerbaho-WG]

the difference between going after saddam and going after milosivec is simple...it was which party was in charge...when clinton went after milosivec , these hollywood were quiet...if they , like they claim , hate war and killing why wernt they speaking against clinton??...because he is one of their own..

 

the main reason the democrats dont want war because they know they cant win....they know, despite allthese reposrts that we could lose thousoands of soildiers that iraq is an army in shables..and one of two things will happen..and both are bad for the democrats...one is alot worse than the other..

 

1. we go in and wipe out iraq and find that saddam was just a few months away from having necleaur capability..its completely over any dem who came out against the war..thats why you havnt heard anything from guys like lieberman that are planning on running for president..cause they will be slicing their own throat...

 

2. we go in and we find out what some have said in here...some anthrax here and there and a few unused scud...but nothing of substance...no one will care though...saddam will be out of power..it will have taken very little time to accomplish this and the question will be why did wel et this guy hang around for so long..and who was in charge for 8 years prior to bush??...clinton...

 

either way the dems cant win because this war will be like duke playing prarie view in basketball..over by the 5 minute mark...

 

while there are some that oppose this war for hjard core beliefs in no violence...i understand that and respect it..but every democrat was on board when clinton went after milosivec..so none of them in charge right now that supported clinton and his wars can use that as their reason..well they can but it would be disingenuous...

Are you f***ing INSANE? Milosevic was committing GENOICDE. HE WAS WIPING A NATIONALITY OFF THE MAP! And you compare this because Saddam killed a few thousands Kurds? Just shutup, you have absolutely no clue what you are spewing.

[Soxplosion]

OK, Im sorry apu if I insulted you. This Solay guy slapped me and every American in the face. My dads friend was a firefighter who didnt come home on September 11. As for the war in Iraq, now that I think about it there may not be so much of a point in this war. My moms friend is a doctor who could go with the Marines invading Iraq. And to think that our Marines will die to catch a guy whos no real threat. I dont think NKs a threat either. They all stay in there countries and well leave eachother alone. But TWAT is more justifiable. Today I read about the Bubonic Plague for an advanced history class and the disease was spread by a rat. The rat traveled in every possible way, boat, caravan etc. In modern times, Al Qaeda is that rat. You dont know where they will be next or where they will strike. Bin Laden and his thugs must be stopped. Saddam and NK wont harm us here. But bin Laden can. And we must stop him. I really do think that war in Iraq is inevitable but I just hope if Bush does go to war he wont do anything stupid and like destroy the planet.

 

So I guess this Solay guy does have the right to voice his opinion but I also think he has the right to leave. If he chooses not to do so then he can atleast stop complaining about this country and having to be part of this country.

 

And why does everyone hate Bush so much? I like Bush. If Im eligible by the next ballot hes getting my vote. I thought most other Americans liked him too but now everyone seems to hate him. Why? Hes darn better than that lying scumbag Clinton. Im only 15 so I really wont understand if he did something with the economy. So apu, could you please tell me why you dont like Dubya? Is it the fact that hes a republican or something?

[Soxplosion]

the difference between going after saddam and going after milosivec is simple...it was which party was in charge...when clinton went after milosivec , these hollywood were quiet...if they , like they claim , hate war and killing why wernt they speaking against clinton??...because he is one of their own..

 

the main reason the democrats dont want war because they know they cant win....they know, despite allthese reposrts that we could lose thousoands of soildiers that iraq is an army in shables..and one of two things will happen..and both are bad for the democrats...one is alot worse than the other..

 

1. we go in and wipe out iraq and find that saddam was just a few months away from having necleaur capability..its completely over any dem who came out against the war..thats why you havnt heard anything from guys like lieberman that are planning on running for president..cause they will be slicing their own throat...

 

2. we go in and we find out what some have said in here...some anthrax here and there and a few unused scud...but nothing of substance...no one will care though...saddam will be out of power..it will have taken very little time to accomplish this and the question will be why did wel et this guy hang around for so long..and who was in charge for 8 years prior to bush??...clinton...

 

either way the dems cant win because this war will be like duke playing prarie view in basketball..over by the 5 minute mark...

 

while there are some that oppose this war for hjard core beliefs in no violence...i understand that and respect it..but every democrat was on board when clinton went after milosivec..so none of them in charge right now that supported clinton and his wars can use that as their reason..well they can but it would be disingenuous...

Are you f***ing INSANE? Milosevic was committing GENOICDE. HE WAS WIPING A NATIONALITY OFF THE MAP! And you compare this because Saddam killed a few thousands Kurds? Just shutup, you have absolutely no clue what you are spewing.

Wait a sec. Is there any difference between killing Kurds and killing Bosnians? No! Saddam and Milosevic are both killing people and its wrong. Milosevic is finished but Saddams still there. So its ok if ya kill a Kurd but killing a Bosnian just makes you the devil? Please dont tell me your saying this.

[cwsox]

As far as nuclear weapons go, I never ever want to see them used.  Bush may of said it, but I don't think he wants to use them.  If he does, then depending on the circumstances I will strongly disagree with him and would not give him my vote in a couple more years.

 

I don't think its going to happen.  Also, as far as the UN is concerned, they can kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!

J, twice since last September this administration has gone out of its way to state it would use nuclear weapons on a first-strike basis: in the Bush Doctrine of last September, a very intentional release given it is intended as Bush's official policy, and then a few months in a Dept. of Defense statement that specificaly rejected Mutually Assured Destruction as US nuclear policy and adopted First Strike.

 

I do believe that if Bush launches a first strike, the last thing any of us will think will probably not be about voting in the next election - more like, "wow what a flash....."

 

By the way, that is why Bush's hands are somewhat tied in North Korea. If NK has nuclear weapons, or even if they don't, they have missiles very easily capable of hitting South Korea everywhere and killing 10s of millions.

 

But the use of force in Iraq, nuclear or otherwise, will undoubtedly result in retailiation against the US, probably by terrorism, repeatedly. I know that Bush thinks if he says "Don't mess with Texas" enough it will scare others away but it won't. And when terror retaliation comes against the US, Bush will be hiding as he did before and Cheney will be hiding as he did before and you and I will be kissing our asses goodbye and I'll never get to see if the Sox win the series this year.

 

(But Bush is stupid, the terrorists will find him, all they have to do is follow the liquor delievery truck convoy bringing the twins their daily alcohol and the Bush hideout will be found.)

 

The UN is the best secular hope we have for the world. We are not alone in this world; other peoples live here too, and in fact, there are a hell of a lot more of them than us. If we don't talk together - what?

[baggio202]

As far as nuclear weapons go, I never ever want to see them used.  Bush may of said it, but I don't think he wants to use them.  If he does, then depending on the circumstances I will strongly disagree with him and would not give him my vote in a couple more years.

 

I don't think its going to happen.  Also, as far as the UN is concerned, they can kiss my ass!!!!!!!!!

J, twice since last September this administration has gone out of its way to state it would use nuclear weapons on a first-strike basis: in the Bush Doctrine of last September, a very intentional release given it is intended as Bush's official policy, and then a few months in a Dept. of Defense statement that specificaly rejected Mutually Assured Destruction as US nuclear policy and adopted First Strike.

 

I do believe that if Bush launches a first strike, the last thing any of us will think will probably not be about voting in the next election - more like, "wow what a flash....."

 

By the way, that is why Bush's hands are somewhat tied in North Korea. If NK has nuclear weapons, or even if they don't, they have missiles very easily capable of hitting South Korea everywhere and killing 10s of millions.

 

But the use of force in Iraq, nuclear or otherwise, will undoubtedly result in retailiation against the US, probably by terrorism, repeatedly. I know that Bush thinks if he says "Don't mess with Texas" enough it will scare others away but it won't. And when terror retaliation comes against the US, Bush will be hiding as he did before and Cheney will be hiding as he did before and you and I will be kissing our asses goodbye and I'll never get to see if the Sox win the series this year.

 

(But Bush is stupid, the terrorists will find him, all they have to do is follow the liquor delievery truck convoy bringing the twins their daily alcohol and the Bush hideout will be found.)

 

The UN is the best secular hope we have for the world. We are not alone in this world; other peoples live here too, and in fact, there are a hell of a lot more of them than us. If we don't talk together - what?

this is the same rhetoric that was used against reagan 20 some years ago..damn near word for word...

 

we will not use nukes..it will not happen...we have no intention of using nukes..

 

btw..president bush is giving saddam every chance to come clean...there is even a proposal on the table that would allow saddam to leave and live out his life in exile should he leave peacefully and let the UN set up a more democractic governemnt - i dont agree with this myself - this guy should not be able to live out his life after the crimes he has committed...but it does show that he is giving saddam other options than war...now its up to saddam..

[cwsox]

1. Ok, Im a Nazi for saying I love this country, which you obviously dont? I support America to the end and someday Im gonna serve my country well.

 

2.  We exiled people for communism right? Lets do the same for these people...

1. Psycho, you can better than that. We all love our country. That is not at issue. What we think our country should do in this situation and in its total relationship to the world is at issue.

 

By the way, I am one of those who definitely want the draft re-instated, for everyone, and f*** no, no student deferments anymore. I want every one there to have their ass on the line and that may begin to influence their thinking. And I want everyone to be involved in government service, no more f***ing free rides for those who are too busy scheming to get their first million and whine about being too busy or better than othrs - everyone serves. Everyone. Why should my son the Marine or the grads of West Point (so to speak) be the only ones with their asses on the line? Everyone serves. Write to your congressal representative and tell her/him to support Rep. Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft, a universal draft.

 

2. If you are referring to the post WW1 Palmer Raids, I am impressed. Our deportation of people then was one of the most shameful times in American history since the Alien and Sedation Act under John Adams.

[Soxplosion]

Here are the two major reasons I think we should not attack Hussein at this moment:

 

1. He poses no immediate threat to US soil. He is killing Kurds but there are so many countries where the governments are killing people. Rwanda, Somalia and so many others. We cant go to all these places. So just let em go. Let em do what they want. Maybe its not right. But with this robocop idea of the US our young soldiers will die for missions that really dont need to be accomplished. I wish Saddam would sit back and behave but thats not realistic. Saddam and all other leaders like him are evil and only God can determine their fate. As for the terrorists, they do pose an immediate threat to us. Fighting back is just and everyone can do so, some like the US can just do better than others like the minority groups of Rwanda.

 

2. Attacking Iraq will only bring terrorism. Terrorists are the direct threat to us, like I said and they should be eliminated. So far weve actually done a pretty good job. Al Qaeda used to be a force in Afghanistan but now it is not. Afghanistan has some degree of authority now do to our actions over there. Al Qaeda still does exist but it is much smaller and its not as easy for them to carry out attacks. They are also in hiding. But attacking Iraq will provoke them to leave their caves. Hunt those who need to be hunted, which is Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda needs to be destroyed, Iraq does not.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm fully against the draft. I don't want to have to go to war and lose out on my education. I respect each and every person that represents our country in the military. If I was called, I'd of course go, because thats my duty. You are probably right though, the draft shouldn't count out people just because they are students, cause whose to say they are any better then the same person the same age that isn't in college. College isn't for everyone.

 

In all honesty, I think all the politician suck to a point. Right now its just the lesser of all evils and thats how its going to be for a long time. The good thing is, all the political discussion and things, should slowly make this nation better, but I won't be happy until there is world peace. This war crap is a bunch of bulls***. Why can't everyone let everyone be and forget about it. Some countries are absolute s***holes, where people get murdered or just can't even find food. A lot of the time the US sticks there nose in, and many of the times they screw up when they do so, but the heart is there.

 

Many countries don't have the heart to do things like that. I'm damn proud to be an American, and I strongly believe every poster here thats in America is damn proud to be an American. As for Matthew, let me just say Oh Canada..I'm sure he's damn proud to be Canadian

 

One thing all of the posters here can't forget is that we can't go out and call eachother names. I know these political topics get very heated, but lets not take things too far and hurt someone else. Lets keep these posts on track to the point. I hate seeing someone get squashed or called out. This is America, and were all entitled to our points of views, whether how ridiculous they could be or how right on they could be. We all can decide on our own what our opinion is of other posts, but lets battle back with words and not attacks

 

Holds up two fingers; Vote for Me

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1. Ok, Im a Nazi for saying I love this country, which you obviously dont? I support America to the end and someday Im gonna serve my country well.

 

2.  We exiled people for communism right? Lets do the same for these people...

1. Psycho, you can better than that. We all love our country. That is not at issue. What we think our country should do in this situation and in its total relationship to the world is at issue.

 

By the way, I am one of those who definitely want the draft re-instated, for everyone, and f*** no, no student deferments anymore. I want every one there to have their ass on the line and that may begin to influence their thinking. And I want everyone to be involved in government service, no more f***ing free rides for those who are too busy scheming to get their first million and whine about being too busy or better than othrs - everyone serves. Everyone. Why should my son the Marine or the grads of West Point (so to speak) be the only ones with their asses on the line? Everyone serves. Write to your congressal representative and tell her/him to support Rep. Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft, a universal draft.

 

2. If you are referring to the post WW1 Palmer Raids, I am impressed. Our deportation of people then was one of the most shameful times in American history since the Alien and Sedation Act under John Adams.

I dont really want a draft but if we do I just hope its for the war on terror and not a war in Iraq. I dont really want to draft people who would be cowardly and unmotivated to fight. Our military is big enough and more people like myself are aiming to join in the future. We dont need people out there against there will. People like your son and hopefully me in the near future will be out there because we want to not because someone said so. JMHO...

 

And what were the Palmer Raids? I dont know what that was. I just know we exiled like Charlie Chaplin and others for Communism and I thought why dont they do that to people who hate our country like Solay. But its a stupid thought, this guy Solay just burst my bubble, forget it...

[baggio202]

1. Ok, Im a Nazi for saying I love this country, which you obviously dont? I support America to the end and someday Im gonna serve my country well.

 

2.  We exiled people for communism right? Lets do the same for these people...

1. Psycho, you can better than that. We all love our country. That is not at issue. What we think our country should do in this situation and in its total relationship to the world is at issue.

 

By the way, I am one of those who definitely want the draft re-instated, for everyone, and f*** no, no student deferments anymore. I want every one there to have their ass on the line and that may begin to influence their thinking. And I want everyone to be involved in government service, no more f***ing free rides for those who are too busy scheming to get their first million and whine about being too busy or better than othrs - everyone serves. Everyone. Why should my son the Marine or the grads of West Point (so to speak) be the only ones with their asses on the line? Everyone serves. Write to your congressal representative and tell her/him to support Rep. Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft, a universal draft.

 

2. If you are referring to the post WW1 Palmer Raids, I am impressed. Our deportation of people then was one of the most shameful times in American history since the Alien and Sedation Act under John Adams.

i agree with you 100% on the draft (go figure huh)...i also agree with alot of your reasonings (now that might really surprise you)...right now the military is a great ,great place for people who are economically disadvatange to get the resources they need to help themselves move up economically...but they shouldnt have to bargin with their lives will a lot of others who are well off reap the benefits..

 

everyone should do their part to serve this country...giving 2 years of your life to support this country is nothing compared to all the benifits we recieve living in a free society....