Queen Prawn Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 The offense will score 100 runs a game. And before someone jumps on me.. And I thought 3 hrs was long for a game... :sleep heehee Sens win 4-1...and as much as this pains me to say...Go Caps!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Jose Contreras is far from a proven commodity. What did he do last year besides hog space on the DL for most of the year. He put up decent numbers, but nothing like the numbers a player getting a 4yr/32 million dollar contract should put up. Why do you think teams are so skeptical of signing Maels Rodriguez this offseason? The fact is that many pitchers that come from Cuba have less than spectacular and often disappointing careers. I think Contreras is a great talent, but he is far from a lock to 1) stay healthy all season and 2) perform at a high level all season. Great point. They are depending on a very good national league pitcher going to the American league and being just as dominant. This is not always the case. Vazquez could fall flat on his face in the American League. He is not proven in this league. Brown is old and an injury waiting to happen. He can't go a whole year. Leiber is coming off of surgery, can he really go the whole year? I have my doubts. Then you have to speculate in what you have with Contreras. The starting rotation is full of question marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 And I thought 3 hrs was long for a game... :sleep heehee Watch the slaughter rule come into effect.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Watch the slaughter rule come into effect.. I can remember watching a few MLB games wishing that was a rule the MLB used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 They are old and the pitching is suspect. 1. Lofton (loves playing for winning teams and getting on base at 380 clip) 2. Jeter 3. A-Rod 4. Giambi 5. Sheffield 6. Williams 7. Posada 8. Matsui Brown Mussina Vazquez Contreras Leiber Rivera Quantrill Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 100 seems about right on. Good offense wins championships? I thought pitching and defense have been proven to win championships. Where was the highest scoring offense last year? How did the Marlins win the Series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Jose Contreras is far from a proven commodity. What did he do last year besides hog space on the DL for most of the year. He put up decent numbers, but nothing like the numbers a player getting a 4yr/32 million dollar contract should put up. Why do you think teams are so skeptical of signing Maels Rodriguez this offseason? The fact is that many pitchers that come from Cuba have less than spectacular and often disappointing careers. I think Contreras is a great talent, but he is far from a lock to 1) stay healthy all season and 2) perform at a high level all season. IIRC he was in the minors for much of last year because the Yankees had no room for him. Regardless, teams are skeptical of Maels Rodriguez because he was supposed to have a 100+ MPH fastball and when he pitched in tryouts his fastball rarely touched 90. Contreras as a decent fastball and a nasty splitter. At the very least, he'll put up a 4.50 ERA, and that will be enough to get him 15-18 wins. And that $8 mill a year is worth it for the Yankees...keeps him off the Red Sox and has his numbers on the Yankees. He'd be a good #4 starter for any team, including the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 What is the average age of their team and what is the average age of other teams in baseball? In a life span they are not old. In baseball terms they are an old team. I don't think anyone will deny that. That is how you determine if the whole team is old. Sheffield, Giambi, Brown, Leiber, Lofton, Bernie Williams, Mussina, Rivera, Gordon. They are old. Rivera was hurt last year and has thrown a lot of innings, I am sure there will be a point when he is hurt again this year. Gordon has not put 2 back to back seasons together since his surgery. Good luck with him. Who are they going to add and how? No prospects. You can't make trades if you don't have anything that others want. There are teams that want money, but they want young players as well. They Yanks system is terrible. They have nothing. Good luck for them in trying to acquire anyone. They have nothing to trade. The average age is probably around 30-32 years old, which is not old...not young, but not old. I don't care if they are the oldest team in the league, they are plain and simply not that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I agree with the people who say the Yankees can still be beat... Now I'm not saying the A-Rod deal wasn't a tremendous addition, but NY has a lot of questions.... Starting pitching (their 4th and 5th starters aren't solid), 2nd base, outfield defense, 1st base defense (and I argue Giambi's health and my opinion that he was a major client of BALCO). So why the Yankees are undoubtly the team to beat on paper I still see a possibility of them not making the World Series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I agree with the people who say the Yankees can still be beat... Now I'm not saying the A-Rod deal wasn't a tremendous addition, but NY has a lot of questions.... Starting pitching (their 4th and 5th starters aren't solid), 2nd base, outfield defense, 1st base defense (and I argue Giambi's health and my opinion that he was a major client of BALCO). So why the Yankees are undoubtly the team to beat on paper I still see a possibility of them not making the World Series I think their chemistry also comes into play. As well as their leadership. If anyone can, it's Torre who could take a group of apes and turn them into world champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 The average age is probably around 30-32 years old, which is not old...not young, but not old. I don't care if they are the oldest team in the league, they are plain and simply not that old. To me if a team's average age is 32 then they are an old team. That is just my opinion. I think we just have a difference of opinion to what old is to each of us. I will jsut have to agree to disagree with you in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I agree with the people who say the Yankees can still be beat... Now I'm not saying the A-Rod deal wasn't a tremendous addition, but NY has a lot of questions.... Starting pitching (their 4th and 5th starters aren't solid), 2nd base, outfield defense, 1st base defense (and I argue Giambi's health and my opinion that he was a major client of BALCO). So why the Yankees are undoubtly the team to beat on paper I still see a possibility of them not making the World Series Which is why I have continually said I don't think they will win the World Series....not with the team they will field on opening day anyways. They'll almost undoubtedly add 3-4 pitchers throughout the year and will win the series. BTW, 4-5 starters aren't solid? I'll take Jose Contreras as my #4 any day of the week...not at $8 mill, but he'll almost undoubtedly be better then Scott Showenweis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 I agree with the people who say the Yankees can still be beat... Now I'm not saying the A-Rod deal wasn't a tremendous addition, but NY has a lot of questions.... Starting pitching (their 4th and 5th starters aren't solid), 2nd base, outfield defense, 1st base defense (and I argue Giambi's health and my opinion that he was a major client of BALCO). So why the Yankees are undoubtly the team to beat on paper I still see a possibility of them not making the World Series Wasn't Giambi's health argued last year? I thought it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 To me if a team's average age is 32 then they are an old team. That is just my opinion. I think we just have a difference of opinion to what old is to each of us. I will jsut have to agree to disagree with you in this instance. So I guess Randy Johnsonis is ancient, and Barry Bonds is going to move into a retirement home next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Which is why I have continually said I don't think they will win the World Series....not with the team they will field on opening day anyways. They'll almost undoubtedly add 3-4 pitchers throughout the year and will win the series. BTW, 4-5 starters aren't solid? I'll take Jose Contreras as my #4 any day of the week...not at $8 mill, but he'll almost undoubtedly be better then Scott Showenweis. YOu will take a 39 year old Keinv brown as a 3 and Jon Leiber as a 5? OK. I wouldnt be too thrilled about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 So I guess Randy Johnsonis is ancient, and Barry Bonds is going to move into a retirement home next year. OK, you picked to of the greatest players to ever play the game. Are you comparing Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton to Barry Bonds? Are you comparing Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, Jon Leiber to Randy Johnson. I believe you are comparing apples to oranges here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 So I guess Randy Johnsonis is ancient, and Barry Bonds is going to move into a retirement home next year. And Sosa, Frank, Shilling, Pedro, Vlad...? Hell.. Maggs is getting up there, too. Better get him a wheelchair. It's individual, that's for sure. Look at Henderson... That guy just aint human! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 It's individual, that's for sure. Look at Henderson... That guy just aint human! Julio Franco as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 OK, you picked to of the greatest players to ever play the game. Are you comparing Bernie Williams and Kenny Lofton to Barry Bonds? Are you comparing Kevin Brown, Mike Mussina, Jon Leiber to Randy Johnson. Who said anything about comparing Williams and Lofton to Bonds? The only thing I'm comparing is ages, and both Williams and Lofton are younger then Bonds. You said 32 was old, and I gave you two great examples of players near 40(Johnson is over 40, Bonds is like 39) who are still kicking ass. Steff provided a few more. I believe you are comparing apples to oranges here. I think you believe wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Julio Franco as well.. How about Raines..? And Tony Gwynn... Some of them just had bodies that wouldn't quit. I'd toss a guess out there that it was because they took very good care of themselves. I can't imagine the Yanks don't do the same - with the extra help of their employers no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 It should be like in that movie, Logan's Run. At age 32, a player is sent hovering into the air, then vaporized. Warning: This method would not work on Jesse Orosco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 It should be like in that movie, Logan's Run. At age 32, a player is sent hovering into the air, then vaporized. Warning: This method would not work on Jesse Orosco. How the hell could we forget Jesse Orosco? Dan Plesac fits in that category as well. And Mike Morgan wouldn't be a bad choice either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Who said anything about comparing Williams and Lofton to Bonds? The only thing I'm comparing is ages, and both Williams and Lofton are younger then Bonds. You said 32 was old, and I gave you two great examples of players near 40(Johnson is over 40, Bonds is like 39) who are still kicking ass. Steff provided a few more. I think you believe wrong. Alright. That is fine. You are giving me some exceptions to the rule. I don't know about Raines, Gwynn, Julio Franco? Rickey Henderson? Just because someone played until this age does not mean they were good at that age. Give me a break. Vlad is not there yet, so I will not count him as he is younger than maggs. I think the Yankees are an old team by baseball standards. What is the average age of the league? If the average age is older than the Yanks team average then I will stand corrected. Until then I believe the Yanks are an old injury prone team. I am not arguijng this point with you anymore. You know my opinion on it there is no need to go any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 How the hell could we forget Jesse Orosco? Maybe because Orasco finally retired this season... That's why I didn't mention him earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 How about Thome? Danny Graves? Nolan Ryan? Ivan Rodriguez? Borowski? Aurilia? Damian Miller? Any other Sox fans here that don't know Tim Raines?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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