The Bones Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hence the need for a minimum as well as a maximum if a cap is instituted. But, you can't force people to spend money they don't have. Also, that could hurt baseball by not allowing enough flexibility to make moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 But, you can't force people to spend money they don't have. Also, that could hurt baseball by not allowing enough flexibility to make moves. Yep. It's not logical at this point. Too many contracts worth too much $$ out there already. A cap wont work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 But, you can't force people to spend money they don't have. Also, that could hurt baseball by not allowing enough flexibility to make moves. Then how does this work in the NBA or NFL? Don't they have both a max and a min? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Yep. I believe I read that the Yankees paid just under $60 million in that and luxury tax. doesnt that double this year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Yes.. the best offense in baseball in 2000 ended the year on this fine note.. Statistics: 2000 Postseason - Total Batting Statistics NAME G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS M. Ordonez 3 11 0 2 0 1 0 4 1 2 2 1 0 .182 .308 .364 .671 Carlos Lee 3 11 0 1 1 0 0 2 1 0 2 0 0 .091 .083 .182 .265 Jose Valentin 3 10 2 3 2 0 0 5 1 2 2 3 0 .300 .417 .500 .917 Ray Durham 3 10 2 2 1 0 1 6 1 3 3 0 0 .200 .385 .600 .985 Frank Thomas 3 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 .000 .308 .000 .308 Herbert Perry 3 9 0 4 1 0 0 5 1 2 2 0 0 .444 .500 .556 1.056 C. Johnson 3 9 0 3 0 0 0 3 0 1 1 0 0 .333 .455 .333 .788 Paul Konerko 3 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 .000 .100 .000 .100 C. Singleton 3 9 1 1 0 1 0 3 1 0 2 0 0 .111 .111 .333 .444 Harold Baines 2 4 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 .250 .250 .500 .750 Jeff Abbott 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 T. Graffanino 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 M. Christensen 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 Josh Paul 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 NAME G AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS White Sox 3 92 7 17 6 2 1 30 6 15 16 4 0 .185 .300 .326 .626 Being lucky rather than good only gets you so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 But, you can't force people to spend money they don't have. Also, that could hurt baseball by not allowing enough flexibility to make moves. If they can't spend 40M-50M on a team, they shouldn't be in the business. (Of course this is saying things are as they are today - higher contracts, etc.) With a minimum, couldn't it be written into the franchise agreement - something like "if said owner cannot meet the minimum they have to sell or something like that?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I don't think that will help either. All the "good" players will play for the ones who spend at the top. Teams at the low end will still be talent starved cause they won't be able to pay competetively. not to mention those 100 million signing bonuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Then how does this work in the NBA or NFL? Don't they have both a max and a min? I know the NFL has a cap which has seemed to be good for the league. I don't know if there is a minimum there though. I don't know crap about NBA so I will zip the lip on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 doesnt that double this year??? Not sure 420... let me see if I can find that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 If they can't spend 40M-50M on a team, they shouldn't be in the business. (Of course this is saying things are as they are today - higher contracts, etc.) With a minimum, couldn't it be written into the franchise agreement - something like "if said owner cannot meet the minimum they have to sell or something like that?" Fan.. in theory it's a great idea. But it's too late. If you set the max at $150 million.. do the Yankees take pay cuts..? If you set the min at $80 million does that mean that the Marlins would have had to give their team raises last year? The standard has been set. This sport is ruined as far as installing/enforcing a cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Good then since the best offense in baseball in 2000 finished that way we have hope for the 2004 best offense in baseball to finish the same way. I hardly call scoring 978 runs in a season all luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Fan.. in theory it's a great idea. But it's too late. If you set the max at $150 million.. do the Yankees take pay cuts..? If you set the min at $80 million does that mean that the Marlins would have had to give their team raises last year? The standard has been set. This sport is ruined as far as installing/enforcing a cap. Than what is the answer? No one said everyone would be happy with said changes, but there comes a time when change is necessary. No matter what change is instituted, someone will have a b**** fit and someone will love it. And with change come sacrafice and strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Fan.. in theory it's a great idea. But it's too late. If you set the max at $150 million.. do the Yankees take pay cuts..? If you set the min at $80 million does that mean that the Marlins would have had to give their team raises last year? The standard has been set. This sport is ruined as far as installing/enforcing a cap. I would think they would have to announce that a cap would be enforced 5 years from whatever date. This would give teams enough time to make arrangements, and there could also be some exceptions in certain circumstances for being over the cap after the 5-year period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I would think they would have to announce that a cap would be enforced 5 years from whatever date. This would give teams enough time to make arrangements, and there could also be some exceptions in certain circumstances for being over the cap after the 5-year period. The being enforced in 5 years seems right. Having exceptions does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Than what is the answer? No one said everyone would be happy with said changes, but there comes a time when change is necessary. No matter what change is instituted, someone will have a b**** fit and someone will love it. And with change come sacrafice and strategy. Fan.. I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 The title of this thread (subtitle at least) implies that Yankee fans aren't real fans, which I would disagree with, just wanted to point that out. Did anyone else catch that? Because obviously this trade didn't ruin baseball for Yankee fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 They need to spread some money around before they think about implementing a salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I would think they would have to announce that a cap would be enforced 5 years from whatever date. This would give teams enough time to make arrangements, and there could also be some exceptions in certain circumstances for being over the cap after the 5-year period. There would have to be simply based on yesterday's signing.. Otherwise the cap doesn't go into effect until after all existing contracts are complete. Which will do no good.. baseball will be ruined by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 The title of this thread (subtitle at least) implies that Yankee fans aren't real fans, which I would disagree with, just wanted to point that out. Did anyone else catch that? Because obviously this trade didn't ruin baseball for Yankee fans. I didn't really know what this person was implying. Yank fans are pretty knowledgable and they are definately real baseball fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I didn't really know what this person was implying. Yank fans are pretty knowledgable and they are definately real baseball fans. Yeap, they sure are. In fact I am having dinner tonight with one of the biggest Yankee fans I've ever met...Then again, he is neither annoying nor an arrogant asshole so I dunno whether he can really be called a Yankee fan. I think what sets him apart from other Yank fans is that he actually feels my pain as a White Sox fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 And it's just coincidence when 11 players IMPLODE ALL at the SAME TIME... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well then if we go the other way and look at the BA of the Cardinals last year as the best offensive team in baseball then that is even better. They didn't even make the playoffs. Sounds good to me. The best offense in baseball for 2004 not even making the playoffs? According to some around here that would be the Yanks. Since they just acquired ARod to give them the best offense in baseball. I would be for that. However, I do remember most talking about the 2 best offenses in baseball last year. It was always the Braves and the Red Sox as being the best. Both were the leader in runs scored in their respective leagues. I think runs scored is what the majority of people go by when comparing offenses. People who go by batting average to compare offenses would be in the minority. Just a guess. Why don't we take a poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 The being enforced in 5 years seems right. Having exceptions does not. I was thinking along the lines of, the Sox sign player Mike Jones to a 6-year deal in year 3 of this 5 year transitional period. Two years after signing the deal, Mr. Jones goes motorcycling with Jay Williams and Aaron Rowand and gets his legs severed. I think the Sox should not have the remainder of his contract count against the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I was thinking along the lines of, the Sox sign player Mike Jones to a 6-year deal in year 3 of this 5 year transitional period. Two years after signing the deal, Mr. Jones goes motorcycling with Jay Williams and Aaron Rowand and gets his legs severed. I think the Sox should not have the remainder of his contract count against the cap. Ok, I understand waht you are saying now. That seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I would be fine with an 80 Mill MAX and 50 Mill MIN. AND the rev sharing to put NFL to shame. Think big people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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