president bush's speech

[baggio202]

what did you guys think???

[bjmarte]

Other than constantly saying nucular instead of nuclear, I thought it was excellent.

[MurcieOne]

Other than constantly saying nucular instead of nuclear, I thought it was excellent.

I thought it was to.... however........ through all that loaded language, he said were going to war.

 

Not sure whether or not Im with Dubya on this one.

[doubleM23]

:fyou Bush

[bjmarte]

Other than constantly saying nucular instead of nuclear, I thought it was excellent.

I thought it was to.... however........ through all that loaded language, he said were going to war.

 

Not sure whether or not Im with Dubya on this one.

Honestly sometimes I'm not sure either.

 

 

But then when I listen to him talk about it I believe he is doing the right thing.

 

 

I'm sure I'm going to take some flack for that!

[baggio202]

one of the parts that really struck me as something i didnt expect to here was hisn remamrks about hydrogen cars...also the money set aside for improving firefighting techniques..as an ex- wildland firefighter..i can tell you that is money that is long overdue..

 

the ey for his was against saddam will come from women...polls show that his support amongst men to go to war is stil las strong as ever...but its starting to drop off with women..so his speech about iraq should have been geared to the female audience...was he successful???...by that i mean do you think he did a good a job at speaking to the female audience??...not whether you agree or disagree with his stand on iraq...

[OfficerKarkovice]

I thought it was very good...and I thought the Democratic response was retarded. The guy tried to criticize GW on points that he had just talked about. He criticized the drilling in Alaska for oil and said we needed alternative choices for oil...this was right after Bush just said he will designate 1.2 billion dollars toward the research of hydrogen fueled cars to end the need for oil from foreign sources. I thought overall an excellent speach by GW.

[baggio202]

I thought it was very good...and I thought the Democratic response was retarded.  The guy tried to criticize GW on points that he had just talked about.  He criticized the drilling in Alaska for oil and said we needed alternative choices for oil...this was right after Bush just said he will designate 1.2 billion dollars toward the research of hydrogen fueled cars to end the need for oil from foreign sources.  I thought overall an excellent speach by GW.

lloked to me like bush said a few things the democrats wernt ready for...their response was like 10 minutes after his speech..so they have to write their response before the president speaks...they got caught off gaurd on that one...i didnt even expect bush to hit on the enviroment so much

[Cerbaho-WG]

I thought it was very good...and I thought the Democratic response was retarded.  The guy tried to criticize GW on points that he had just talked about.  He criticized the drilling in Alaska for oil and said we needed alternative choices for oil...this was right after Bush just said he will designate 1.2 billion dollars toward the research of hydrogen fueled cars to end the need for oil from foreign sources.  I thought overall an excellent speach by GW.

So, this is why, when Dubya JUST entered the White House, he killed the Supercar project. The supercar project, which was a joint combination on the Clinton Administration and several car companies (Ford, Daimler-Chrylser, and another), was a project aimed at cutting down foreign dependence on Oil. The goal of the Supercar project was 80 MPG. In the first days when Dubya entered office, he killed the Supercar project, even though Daimler-Chrysler engineers had reached a car that sustained 82 MPG.

 

So don't tell me this f***stick is looking for alternative sources of fuel. He's lying out of his ass.

 

Also, the God part sickens me. Maybe Bush should read up on the Treaty of Tripoli where George Washington said, and I quote:

 

the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

 

Way to go, George, drill this country into the ground slower, I thoroughly enjoy it.

[cwsox]

DoubleM23 and Cerbaho-WG speak for me tonight.

[bjmarte]

In the first days when Dubya entered office, he killed the Supercar project, even though Daimler-Chrysler engineers had reached a car that sustained 82 MPG.

Then why aren't they selling it?

[Chisoxfn]

I thought it was a pretty good speach. I've been questioning him a bit more lately, but I still support him. I liked how he brought up the oil situation as well as talked about alternatives for fuel.

 

I have always questioned him on the alternative fuel area, and he still has to prove me he's going to do it, but I like hearing him talk about it.

 

Pretty good speach. The democrats have been running for a while now. They dont' have a clue what to say, and most of the stuff they say really is killing them.

[DonkeyKongerko]

I liked the speech strictly as a comparison to other speeches. In general I don't really think Bush is a great speaker. Still, he did "tone down the rhetoric" as many pundits pointed out and did a good job of making a case for an international coalition regarding the Iraq issue. Hopefully this new approach is genuine and not simply a ploy to satisfy some of the critics calling for justification in Bush's war. Colin Powell is going to make his big case that we have all been waiting for next week to the UN. I can only hope the US can be in agreement with the UN's decision no matter what the outcome.

 

Some of the Medicare stuff sounded good since it will probably affect my parents sometime in the future. Money for prescription drugs is a big plus if it does not require people to join the HMO's which I really have no trust for at all. Other things I liked were the AIDS plan for Africa and the money for hydrogen cell research in the automobile industry. Certainly Bush is showing favor for the auto industry over the oil industry in the latter.

 

Governor Gary Locke gave some good remarks too. I can't imagine the pressure on one man to give a response from a closed room to the thundering applause of the most-watched presidential speech of the year. It was very contentious and I think the Democrats are trying very hard to differentiate themselves on a number of issues from the Republicans. This can only help to boost their platform after a very disappointing election. He pointed out some definite problems in the proposed taxcut; mainly that the benefits of the cut to the wealthiest 5% of the country outweigh those of the other 95%. I think there was some confusion over the healthcare issue as it wasn't really clear what requirements Bush is pushing for his prescription drug benefits. Unemployment is up 2 million since 2000 and the budget deficit is a glaring red mark on our president's record. Deficit spending can be good in moderation, but we must be careful we do not shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

I think the most serious domestic issue is the fact that something like 48 of the states of our country are in a severe budget crisis including the good old Land of Lincoln. Cutting taxes and spending in deficit seem only to fuel this crisis. I don't know how education can be helped when states are being forced to cut corners at every line. I feel bad for Blagojevich, I think his administration will be seriously handcuffed in the upcoming years unless a significant change is made to the problems in our states.

[baggio202]

I thought it was very good...and I thought the Democratic response was retarded.  The guy tried to criticize GW on points that he had just talked about.  He criticized the drilling in Alaska for oil and said we needed alternative choices for oil...this was right after Bush just said he will designate 1.2 billion dollars toward the research of hydrogen fueled cars to end the need for oil from foreign sources.  I thought overall an excellent speach by GW.

So, this is why, when Dubya JUST entered the White House, he killed the Supercar project. The supercar project, which was a joint combination on the Clinton Administration and several car companies (Ford, Daimler-Chrylser, and another), was a project aimed at cutting down foreign dependence on Oil. The goal of the Supercar project was 80 MPG. In the first days when Dubya entered office, he killed the Supercar project, even though Daimler-Chrysler engineers had reached a car that sustained 82 MPG.

 

So don't tell me this f***stick is looking for alternative sources of fuel. He's lying out of his ass.

 

Also, the God part sickens me. Maybe Bush should read up on the Treaty of Tripoli where George Washington said, and I quote:

 

the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

 

Way to go, George, drill this country into the ground slower, I thoroughly enjoy it.

maybe - just maybe - he didnt think that program was going to work..so he axed it and came up with one he likes better...it is his right as president

[Cerbaho-WG]

Baggio: THE STATISTICS WERE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF HIM. THE CAR REACHED 82 MPG. WHAT MORE f***ING PROOF DOES THIS DIPs*** NEED? The project had 8 years under its belt, and IT WORKED. If Gore had won, I might be driving a car that had 82 MPG. But with Bush, businesses get rebates for buying SUVs. Also, Bush mandated that every car's MPG should go up 1.5 MPG. Yeah, he's seeking out alternative fuel sources all right. Instead of drilling in Alaska, how about we drill up Dubya's ass to see how many more lies he has stashed up there.

[baggio202]

donkeykonerko..i liked your response i just want to hit on one issue...the democrats need to get off this 1% or 5% thing when they are always talking about any republican in regurds to tax cut...there is a good reason why it doesnt work...CNN did a poll on the top 1%...while its only 1%, 20 % of americans think they are in that top 1%..and another 19% believe they will be there someday...now broaden it to 5% and ill bet more than 50% believe they ware or will be in the top 5% someday...

 

i think the dems have to take a different tack when it comes to rebutting tax cuts..the 1% thing just doesnt work

[Cerbaho-WG]

In the first days when Dubya entered office, he killed the Supercar project, even though Daimler-Chrysler engineers had reached a car that sustained 82 MPG.

Then why aren't they selling it?

Because Bush cut funding on it. The car still needed more money to fine-tune it.

[Cerbaho-WG]

donkeykonerko..i liked your response i just want to hit on one issue...the democrats need to get off this 1% or 5% thing when they are always talking about any republican in regurds to tax cut...there is a good reason why it doesnt work...CNN did a poll on the top 1%...while its only 1%, 20 % of americans think they are in that top 1%..and another 19% believe they will be there someday...now broaden it to 5% and ill bet more than 50% believe they ware or will be in the top 5% someday...

 

i think the dems have to take a different tack when it comes to rebutting tax cuts..the 1% thing just doesnt work

The 1% doesn't work? How do you explain millionaires getting 42,000 dollars in tax cuts that were supposed to help the economy. Look, yesterday the Dow closed beneath 8000. George Bush just threw the National Surplus down the toilet, and you still refuse to recgonize it.

[Chisoxfn]

I heard something on the radio regarding who they consider the top 1% and it is people who make around 80,000 - 100,000 a year, most of whom consider themselves middle class people. Now I don't have anything to verify what I heard being correct, but if this is indeed what they consider the top 1% then they are way off, imo.

 

As far as the tax cut goes, I will stick to my ways that it helps everyone. Who says that those who pay more shouldn't get money back, while others should get plenty of money back?

 

I think if you work, and theres a tax cut, everyone deserves money back. in turn, if you make more, then your going to get more back and to me thats your given right.

[Cerbaho-WG]

I heard something on the radio regarding who they consider the top 1% and it is people who make around 80,000 - 100,000 a year, most of whom consider themselves middle class people.  Now I don't have anything to verify what I heard being correct, but if this is indeed what they consider the top 1% then they are way off, imo. 

 

As far as the tax cut goes, I will stick to my ways that it helps everyone.  Who says that those who pay more shouldn't get money back, while others should get plenty of money back?

 

I think if you work, and theres a tax cut, everyone deserves money back.  in turn, if you make more, then your going to get more back and to me thats your given right.

The rich DO NOT NEED 42,000 DOLLARS. Jesus f***ing Christ, how blind are you people? They probably use it as monopoly money for f***s sake.

 

Top 1% making 80-100 k a year? My family makes roughly 135,000 a year combined, and we got a 600 dollar tax rebate. Top 1%? more like 50%.

[DonkeyKongerko]

I heard something on the radio regarding who they consider the top 1% and it is people who make around 80,000 - 100,000 a year, most of whom consider themselves middle class people.  Now I don't have anything to verify what I heard being correct, but if this is indeed what they consider the top 1% then they are way off, imo.  

 

As far as the tax cut goes, I will stick to my ways that it helps everyone.  Who says that those who pay more shouldn't get money back, while others should get plenty of money back?

 

I think if you work, and theres a tax cut, everyone deserves money back.  in turn, if you make more, then your going to get more back and to me thats your given right.

I agree. I think people who work more should get more back. The only problem is dividends are kind of a tricky issue. Alot of people in the working class don't receive any dividends and this is one of the biggest parts of the taxcut. So I like the idea of the taxcut (cuz i receive some dividends $$) but I think people should just understand exactly what is being cut.

 

My taxcut is going to be something like $4,000. Then again I lost quite a bit of money on paper thanks to a tumbling stock market. I think two companies I invest in are up for the year. I'm also in (not too much) on the sinking ship known as Lucent Technologies.

[bjmarte]

In the first days when Dubya entered office, he killed the Supercar project, even though Daimler-Chrysler engineers had reached a car that sustained 82 MPG.

Then why aren't they selling it?

Because Bush cut funding on it. The car still needed more money to fine-tune it.

If all it needed was fine tuning then why isn't Daimler-Chrysler willing to put up the money to fund the rest of it. I would think they would expect a big return out of an 82 mpg car.

[Chisoxfn]

I heard something on the radio regarding who they consider the top 1% and it is people who make around 80,000 - 100,000 a year, most of whom consider themselves middle class people.  Now I don't have anything to verify what I heard being correct, but if this is indeed what they consider the top 1% then they are way off, imo.  

 

As far as the tax cut goes, I will stick to my ways that it helps everyone.  Who says that those who pay more shouldn't get money back, while others should get plenty of money back?

 

I think if you work, and theres a tax cut, everyone deserves money back.  in turn, if you make more, then your going to get more back and to me thats your given right.

The rich DO NOT NEED 42,000 DOLLARS. Jesus f***ing Christ, how blind are you people? They probably use it as monopoly money for f***s sake.

 

Top 1% making 80-100 k a year? My family makes roughly 135,000 a year combined, and we got a 600 dollar tax rebate. Top 1%? more like 50%.

Ya, maybe they don't need 42,000 bucks, but whose to say they can't have it. Isn't America the place thats always stood for the masses being wealthy and having that shot at wealth.

 

If I make 500,000 a year (One day I will...one day ), then I'm going to want to get money back if theres a tax cut. I would be working my butt off, and I'd like to enjoy that money in any way possible. Hopefully, eventually building up a collection to buy the Sox.

 

I think if you make money, you earn a tax cut if everyone else is getting one, no matter how much money you make. You can't just say, oh your rich, we'll keep your money, just like you can't say your poor, so whats the point of giving you money, you'll still be poor.

 

Is it the perfect tax cut no, but its still solid, imo.

[baggio202]

donkeykonerko..i liked your response i just want to hit on one issue...the democrats need to get off this 1% or 5% thing when they are always talking about any republican in regurds to tax cut...there is a good reason why it doesnt work...CNN did a poll on the top 1%...while its only 1%, 20 % of americans think they are in that top 1%..and another 19% believe they will be there someday...now broaden it to 5% and ill bet more than 50% believe they ware or will be in the top 5% someday...

 

i think the dems have to take a different tack when it comes to rebutting tax cuts..the 1% thing just doesnt work

The 1% doesn't work? How do you explain millionaires getting 42,000 dollars in tax cuts that were supposed to help the economy. Look, yesterday the Dow closed beneath 8000. George Bush just threw the National Surplus down the toilet, and you still refuse to recgonize it.

did you read my post at all..my post you quote to rip bush says nothing about tax cuts...what i said is the democrats have to find a new strategy besides the 1% thing because it doesnt work...people dont buy it...

 

one thing ive learned in my time on this earth is there is always more than one right way to do a job...just because you dont agree with bush's tax cut doesnt mean he is a f***ing moron and anyone who agrees with him too...christ how closed minded are you???..i thought you came from the party of tolerance??....

 

whether you agree with bush's tax plan or not there are 100's of economists that do..people with much more education in this area then probably anyone posting here...just as there are 100's that dont...and the only way we find out whether he is right or not is to give his plan a chance and see what happens...

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

i dont mix politics with pleasure so i have no comment on the subject..........