southsiderod Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I truly believe that this is still is a White Sox town even though the Cubs have made a sincere effort to dominate every single avenue to ensure that they get all of the national exposure.Before last year,the Sox held the all time season record for attendance for twelve years until it was broken this past season.They were the first team to draw two million in this town,and they averaged 2.5 million from 1990 to 1993 and without the Uncle JR led strike,they would have drawn at least 2.7 million in 94. In my opinion,the only way for the fan base to expand is the Sox must get to the World Series before the Cubs or Uncle JR and his merry clowns of investors or fellow owners put their egos to the side and realize that this game has passed them by and sell the team to an owner who Sox fans can trust,have faith in and is committed to winning,instead of the constant excuses,lies and small market mentality that this current Sox owner and organization have given for twenty three years. A new owner at the very least would create way more intrest and give Sox fans a reason of hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 we could only wish that JR would sell this team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I do not hope JR sells the team and those who live for that will be disapointed year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I do not hope JR sells the team and those who live for that will be disapointed year in and year out. What is it about JR's ownership that you are so enamored with? The man is all talk, no action. (i.e. "I would trade all of the Bulls championships for one World Series". What a crock of s**t!!!) There is no comittment to winning on Reinsdorf's part! He is ONLY committed to making a profit, that's it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 all JR does is feed us with lies in hopes of making some money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 all JR does is feed us with lies in hopes of making some money Amen brother!!! :fyou Reinsdorf!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 Amen brother!!! :fyou Reinsdorf!!! cheers to that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 all JR does is feed us with lies in hopes of making some money The famous 1.. "I would gladly trade 6 Bulls Championships just to get 1 Sox Championship." Or something like that... I'll add alittle :fyou Reinsdorf as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 I'm not surprised JR does not spend money, espeically on pitchers. The last time he went big on pitchers was Jamie Navarro, because he'd been told Navarro probably had a bright future in front of him, and he signed Navarro over Clemens, who he had been told was washed up. Seeing Clemens with 300+ wins, 4000+ strikeouts and still pitching with Houston tells you who was right, does it not? Seeing Navarro's name next to s***ty stats with some minor league team tells you who was right, does it not? It also tells you why JR does not give a lot of guaranteed money to pitchers, correct? I mean, the last time he spent big-time money on a pitcher, the pitcher called out his offense after a game b****ing them out because they gave him no run support after a 9-1 loss. Go figure. He also gave the richest contract in the history of the sport and the first 8-figure salary to one Albert Belle. And Belle actually did do some very good things for us in his second year, hitting I believe about 50 homers and driving in around 145 runs, both all-time White Sox records(and they still are, kind of funny considering the White Sox have been around 100+ years and Frank Thomas has been on the team for the past 13 years, but it's true). Of course, Belle was in a Baltimore uniform the year after that, and a year or two after that, he retired from the game because of his hip problems. In all reality, he has either just had someone running the team who threw JR's money in the garbage(Scheuler with Navarro as his main one, but then he sort of redeemed himself with the Navarro and Snyder for Eldred and Valentin deal...that one has worked out nicely for us, both in the short term and long term, and KW with overpaying Konerko, overpaying Koch, picking up Jose's $5 mill option, taking Choice and his $3-4 mill contract, etc...and those are off the top of my head. I'm sure I could find others if I tried hard enough). I'm not here to say to everyone "Go out and attend the park so JR can spend some money" because quite frankly, living in the upper-midwest and being about 1000 miles away from Chicago, I do not attend, so I'd be telling you to do something that I cannot myself do, and I really don't like to tell people to do things that I can't do. All I'm saying is is that it is not JR's fault. You can win with a $60 mill payroll. It takes some intelligent decision making from the front office regarding signings and trades, and some good scouting to bring in guys who will develop into atleast solid major leaguers or potential trade bait, and over the past several years, it has been proven that we, for the most part, have failed in the front office(with the exception of 2000, and even the White Sox catch a break now and then). Blame KW and the scouts and KW's assistants, and if you want, blame Mr. Chairman for hiring KW in the first place, but do not b**** at him for not spending, because he does spend. Just be happy we don't have Pohlad as an owner, a man who is worth over $2 billion and barely spends $50 million on his team, a team that has won the division two straight years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 JR doesn't spend as much money on Scouting as other teams either, at least where foreign players are concerned. Whenever there is a Cuban defector, or a Japanese or Korean ballplayer that is coming to play in the States, the Sox are NEVER involved with trying to sign them! Don't tell me about Shingo either...te guy is 35 years old and cant break 85 with his "fastball"! Great signing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 JR doesn't spend as much money on Scouting as other teams either, at least where foreign players are concerned. Whenever there is a Cuban defector, or a Japanese or Korean ballplayer that is coming to play in the States, the Sox are NEVER involved with trying to sign them! Don't tell me about Shingo either...te guy is 35 years old and cant break 85 with his "fastball"! Great signing! Well, that's a switch given how you're the biggest racist on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Be careful what you wish for. If JR does sell (won't happen anytime soon), there's a good chance the team could be moved. Especially if the Cubs continue to dominate the Chicago market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I truly believe that this is still is a White Sox town even though the Cubs have made a sincere effort to dominate every single avenue to ensure that they get all of the national exposure.Before last year,the Sox held the all time season record for attendance for twelve years until it was broken this past season.They were the first team to draw two million in this town,and they averaged 2.5 million from 1990 to 1993 and without the Uncle JR led strike,they would have drawn at least 2.7 million in 94. In my opinion,the only way for the fan base to expand is the Sox must get to the World Series before the Cubs or Uncle JR and his merry clowns of investors or fellow owners put their egos to the side and realize that this game has passed them by and sell the team to an owner who Sox fans can trust,have faith in and is committed to winning,instead of the constant excuses,lies and small market mentality that this current Sox owner and organization have given for twenty three years. A new owner at the very least would create way more intrest and give Sox fans a reason of hope. yes, because if JR sells this team, fans will all of sudden start going to the park, right? c'mon, people can criticize the org. all they way, the fans are just as responsible, if not more so, for the team's failures. whether JR owns the team or not, nobody is going to the games, the owner therefore won't put up the money and it will continue to go in circles year in and year out. And then, when there is a year where an owner spends money and creates a winner, Sox fans still won't show up and will make up another bulls*** excuse. that's just the way it is, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Bill Veeck was a god, small g. Jerry Reinsdorf is J. Reinsdork. IMO caseclosed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I truly believe that this is still is a White Sox town even though the Cubs have made a sincere effort to dominate every single avenue to ensure that they get all of the national exposure.Before last year,the Sox held the all time season record for attendance for twelve years until it was broken this past season.They were the first team to draw two million in this town,and they averaged 2.5 million from 1990 to 1993 and without the Uncle JR led strike,they would have drawn at least 2.7 million in 94. In my opinion,the only way for the fan base to expand is the Sox must get to the World Series before the Cubs or Uncle JR and his merry clowns of investors or fellow owners put their egos to the side and realize that this game has passed them by and sell the team to an owner who Sox fans can trust,have faith in and is committed to winning,instead of the constant excuses,lies and small market mentality that this current Sox owner and organization have given for twenty three years. A new owner at the very least would create way more intrest and give Sox fans a reason of hope. id have to disagree...just because the cubs have been marketing their team the right way since 1980..and the sox have been a PR disaster all through the riensey era...going to cablevison when about 25% of chicago was wired for cable killed the sox..meanwhile the cubs broadcast free in chciago over the air and go superstaion on cable...that was the beginning of the end.. it will take a good decade of outplaying and out marketing the acrubs to start winning fans back..or a world series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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