DonkeyKongerko Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I actually saw this on the whitesox.com board but wanted to ask what you all think. If baseball decides Giambi was juicing in 2000, should Frank Thomas get the MVP award? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Let's hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Rector Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Absolutly yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 ya i think frank deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 can they take the MVP away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 can they take the MVP away I don't know but that sure would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Hose Jon Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 No, I don't think it would be anything other than a diversion. Just say none won the award that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I actually saw this on the whitesox.com board but wanted to ask what you all think. If baseball decides Giambi was juicing in 2000, should Frank Thomas get the MVP award? Was Frank second in MVP voting? IIRC Carlos Delgado also had a hell of a year in 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 He was 2nd....Here's the exact votes.... 2000 AL MVP votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 This steroid talk is already boring me. If there is ever a list of all of the great players who've juiced, then plenty of awards will be taken away. I guess I'm in the minority who could care less whether or not a player juices or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I guess I'm in the minority who could care less whether or not a player juices or not. How can you not care that players are cheating? If every player was using these, then it wouldn't be a problem. But if only the ones that want THE EDGE and do it ILLEGALLY, like now, how can you not care that they are ruining our game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 How can you not care that players are cheating? Is it cheating if it isnt illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 It's unethical, baseball was just ignorant. Cue the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 ignorant or didnt give a s***? 2000 MVP Jason Giambi * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartePartay Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 ignorant or didnt give a s***? 2000 MVP Jason Giambi * Biggest Vas Defrens* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Biggest Vas Defrens* Those drugs were not on the banned substances list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 Ignorant to the problem in not banning steroids. As if baseball players somehow knew better or would never do steroids. In a sport where statistics are probably more prolific than any other in terms of determining a player's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Debate or no debate, and with all opinions on the issue aside- I think it is simply a disgrace to think in a sport where records, ability and talent mean so much that players like Giambi, McGwire and Bonds may have had to use supplements to pump themselves up. HR records were set by Ruth, Maris, Aaron, Mays and others without steroids and those are the records I prefer to remember. Those guys did it on talent and hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Maybe they knew and just didn't care. Casual baseball fans like to see guys hitting 500 foot bombs and throwing 100 mph, not fundamentals. The '98 HomeRun race, led by 2 potential roid-poppers, is what got a lot of fans back into baseball after they were turned off by the previous strike. The players union likes huge power numbers and the cash that comes with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Big Mac did not use illegal steroids. There is a difference here. People use legal over the counter supplements all the time. There is no reason McGwire should be included in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninetyfour Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 The '98 HomeRun race, led by 2 potential roid-poppers Yeah, McGwire hit 49 HRs when he was a rookie. All that he did was add a couple dozen pounds of beef to the equation, and the rest is history. He had the frame for it. Now, I don't know about Sosa, but you can argue that steroids or significant muscle addage via the weight room take away from your bat speed (Ruben Sierra being a prime example), and it seems to me that Sosa's bat speed actually increased over time. And Bonds? That is bat speed like I've never seen before in my life. I know that he uses a light bat, but whatever. It seems to me that steroids would only slow him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Regarding the original topic of this thread, if Giambi was juiced in 2000 then Thomas should be recognized as MVP. That would certainly enhance his HOF credentials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 I understand it was pretty much a don't ask don't tell policy in MLB until the regulations were instated in 2002. Still, if they KNEW players were juicing and failed to act in the name of money, this could leave a serious black mark on all of Major League Baseball. Also on a side note, I don't think pitchers take steroids. I remember reading somewhere that the risks far outweigh the reward for pitchers. It puts an enormous amount of strain on the arm I think, but maybe someone who knows more about this can fill in the details. BTW does anyone know the link to that blog site that had pictures of Bonds, Sosa, and Giambi's heads and analyzed them for possible steroid use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 There are a couple of problems with taking away the awards from Giambi. #1 even if he is found guilty of being on roids today. There would have to be proof that he was on them in 2000. #2 Can anyone prove that Frank Thomas or anyone else WASN'T on steroids in 2000 #3 Even if you could prove Giambi was juiced, did he know about it, and does that change the level of his guilt or innocence. I don't necesarily believe any of that, but those are just things to thing about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 There are a couple of problems with taking away the awards from Giambi. #1 even if he is found guilty of being on roids today. There would have to be proof that he was on them in 2000. #2 Can anyone prove that Frank Thomas or anyone else WASN'T on steroids in 2000 #3 Even if you could prove Giambi was juiced, did he know about it, and does that change the level of his guilt or innocence. I don't necesarily believe any of that, but those are just things to thing about #3 aside... your post is what it all comes down to. Unless there is iron clad proof.. nothing from the past will be changed, altered, taken away, given to someone else, etc, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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