israel4ever Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Israel, I am not going to get in a debate with you over Israel. You will never admit that Israel has done anything wrong. It would be stupid for me to even try. You can't wake someone who is pretending to be asleep. You live in your fantasy world and please hold onto your dream that Israel is the perfect land with perfect leaders always doing the perfect thing. I would hate for that bubble to ever burst. They are the only country that writes their history perfect with perfect impartiality. Since they are 99.5% right, of course their books are correct. God has truly blessed Israel with such perfection. You have no basis for your resentment of Israel or me; except for the fact that you have a lot of hate in you. I don't hate you, I have pity for you and your blind racism towards Israel. All Israel (and I) want is the chance to exist in peace, without peolpe wanting to bring us down, solely based on racism. Maybe I do have utopian ideals; I believe that people should be allowed to exist freely, without the fear of annihilation...does that make me a bad guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 You have no basis for your resentment of Israel or me; except for the fact that you have a lot of hate in you. I don't hate you, I have pity for you and your blind racism towards Israel. I guess we are reading two different Texsox - I never got that impression from him at all. To each their own, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 Where were these Eurpoean countries when we invaded Iraq? The UK and Australia supported us, who else did? Canada harbors terrorist groups, openly let Hamas and Hezbollah campaign for funds...That's an ally??? As much as I love Israel, you hate Israel. The difference is, you have no reason to hate Israel, except MAYBE for that fact that it's a Jewish state! You are a hater! What a joke. I do not hate Israel. I see Israel as being in a difficult situation, with enemies all around. They will and have made mistakes. They are HUMANS. You don't seem to grasp that. You have zero objectivity. I see Palestinians sending 10 year old suicide bombers and it pisses me off to no end. These kids do not have the capacity to grasp what they are doing. But for you to think that Israel has a monopoly on perfect behavior is just silly. Because I believe Israel is capable of HUMAN mistakes, I hate Israel? What a stupid f***ing statement. Either I say Israel is perfect or I hate them? How f***ing stupid are you? Someone could say it is daytime in Israel and you will say it is night. and anyone who says it is daytime hates Israel. Are you saying that Britian and Spain are also allies? Did the Chancellor of Perfect make an error And what about the attack and spying? Please tell me how this was some plot by a few Americans to discredit Israel. I want to read how you deny these allegations. Hater? Because I find good on both sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 As far as I can tell, the memory hole is one of those, ultra-liberal, anti-American, anti-Israel websites that Sideshow loves! I don't put much credence into his (BIASED) opinions or his recommended readings! And the Houston Chronicle where it originally appeared? And the people they quoted where high ranking Gov't officials, are they lying. And if US officials ill lie, wouldn't you be happier living in Israel where officials never lie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 Same reason we're spying on them!!!! BTW, I believe Pollard should have been imprisoned, I also believe that the "secrets" he was to have stolen should have been shared with Israel. And would that reason be that they could turn on us? Or is your government making a mistake? And I am impressed, I would have bet big money that you would have denied the spying allegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 You have no basis for your resentment of Israel or me; except for the fact that you have a lot of hate in you. I don't hate you, I have pity for you and your blind racism towards Israel. All Israel (and I) want is the chance to exist in peace, without peolpe wanting to bring us down, solely based on racism. Maybe I do have utopian ideals; I believe that people should be allowed to exist freely, without the fear of annihilation...does that make me a bad guy? The only f***ing statement you make that really pissses me off is calling me a racist. You stupid f***. It is not being racist to see that people make mistakes. Please quote one of my so called racist statements? I would be the biggest hypocrit in the world if I was racist against Jews. Half my friends are Jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 What a joke. I do not hate Israel. I see Israel as being in a difficult situation, with enemies all around. They will and have made mistakes. They are HUMANS. You don't seem to grasp that. You have zero objectivity. I see Palestinians sending 10 year old suicide bombers and it pisses me off to no end. These kids do not have the capacity to grasp what they are doing. But for you to think that Israel has a monopoly on perfect behavior is just silly. Because I believe Israel is capable of HUMAN mistakes, I hate Israel? What a stupid f***ing statement. Either I say Israel is perfect or I hate them? How f***ing stupid are you? Someone could say it is daytime in Israel and you will say it is night. and anyone who says it is daytime hates Israel. Are you saying that Britian and Spain are also allies? Did the Chancellor of Perfect make an error And what about the attack and spying? Please tell me how this was some plot by a few Americans to discredit Israel. I want to read how you deny these allegations. Hater? Because I find good on both sides? 1. The 'attack" that Nixon was talking about was 30+ years ago, if it happenned at all. 2. I have NEVER seen you say one thing in support of Israel...you are always blasting Israel. Why would I get the idea that you are anti-Israel...I don't know! 3. HOW can you even think you are intelligent if you can find good on both sides of the Israel-Palestinian dispute? The "palis" don't want to coexist with Israel, never did, never will. They only want Israel's destruction!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Show me a shred of evidence!!!!! one example is how were we taught about the American Revolution? We were told that there were these awful taxes on the colonists and they were unfair and everything, correct? Well, in reality, the citizens of Britain were paying about three times as many taxes than the colonists were, so that notion of unfair taxation is so not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 1. The 'attack" that Nixon was talking about was 30+ years ago, if it happenned at all. Is that the attack that happened and Israel and US agreed on calling it an accident even though there was ample proof it was anything but an accident? (Trying to remember if this is the same incident that was history channel a few months back.) EDIT: Just researched it and it is the same incident I saw covered on the History Channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 You are a hater! Pot.. kettle..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 1. The 'attack" that Nixon was talking about was 30+ years ago, if it happenned at all. 2. I have NEVER seen you say one thing in support of Israel...you are always blasting Israel. Why would I get the idea that you are anti-Israel...I don't know! 3. HOW can you even think you are intelligent if you can find good on both sides of the Israel-Palestinian dispute? The "palis" don't want to coexist with Israel, never did, never will. They only want Israel's destruction!!! Then you are blind. Israel has been targeted throughout their history and have been justified in most of their actions. But by me saying most, you will say I hate Israel. Being HUMAN they have made mistakes. The Palistinians have also made mistakes. Both sides are right, and both sides are wrong on some things. But by me saying that the Palis could be even 1% right, you brand me a racist. Most of my opinions have come at the feet of friends of mine who have LIVED there. While your busy checking bags at O'Hare, they are living there or having their kids live there. So don't be f***ing lecturing to me about being racist. You have condemed an entire race of people and you call me a racist. :puke The only route to permant peace is by acknowledging both sides as HUMAN. Both sides. Do not mislabel my contempt for your posts as contempt for Israel or all Jews. As I recall you haven't been to Temple in a long time. Isn't it ironic you are calling me racist when I've been to Temple more this year then you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hey guys we can not go down this road again. I think we all know how pointless this is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 Same reason we're spying on them!!!! BTW, I believe Pollard should have been imprisoned, I also believe that the "secrets" he was to have stolen should have been shared with Israel. Back to the spy thing. Is it ok for China to spy on us, since we are presumably spying on them? No I can't offer proof, but then again you have no proof we are spying on Israel. Or is it only OK for Israel to spy on us? Where do your loyalties lie? The US or Israel? Should you be working for Homeland Security if you believe it is correct for Israel, or any country to spy on us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hey guys we can not go down this road again. I think we all know how pointless this is... Thank you. You are correct. That is why I am the humble mod and you are the Admin with not one, not two, but three trophies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 thats the problem with these debates... no one will ever be able to make the other agree so it really is pointless... too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Yes...and the Army has never lied before. Nuke, they said My Lai never happened either and tried to cover that up. When an organization is known for murdering women, children and civilians in a slaughter or even making up attacks (Gulf of Tonkin, anyone?) then I tend not to believe a damn word they have to say. I will respond to this nonsense now before reading the next 8 pages. This is a ridiculous argument. Bill Clinton lied under oath...am I to now disregard anything any Democrat says as lies because Democrats in the past have lied? And how is anyone to make a point to you, Apu, if you immediately dismiss any point that contradicts yours, even from sources that were there, as lies because it doesn't fit your mantra that everything the U.S. military does is evil? s***, the military must have murdered Jimmy Hoffa...if they deny it, they're just a bunch of liars anyway and can't be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 The only f***ing statement you make that really pissses me off is calling me a racist. You stupid f***. It is not being racist to see that people make mistakes. Please quote one of my so called racist statements? I would be the biggest hypocrit in the world if I was racist against Jews. Half my friends are Jewish. Ah...name calling. The last bastion of the unintelligent! Do your "Jewish friends" know that you constantly blast the State of Israel? Do they know you sympathize with those who desire the destruction of Israel and the Jews? Just wondering. Remember, you were the one that brought Israel into this discussion. I was making a point about a fellow poster who bad-mouths the USA 100% of the time. You were the one who sought to be the antagonist, and you are the weak, uninformed one who had to resort to name calling, obscenities, and accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Back to the spy thing. Is it ok for China to spy on us, since we are presumably spying on them? No I can't offer proof, but then again you have no proof we are spying on Israel. Or is it only OK for Israel to spy on us? Where do your loyalties lie? The US or Israel? Should you be working for Homeland Security if you believe it is correct for Israel, or any country to spy on us? Israel is an ally, China, I don't think so!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Read above, Tex...I said I believe that Pollardwas guilty of spying on the US and belonged in prison. Does that sound like I support Israel spying on the US, Braniac? Reading is fun-damental!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 everyone has lied at some point in their lives... no party or government is infallable. Though sometimes certain governments and parties my lie more than others. Our own beloved president has lied on numerous occasions. Just compare his state of the union addresses together before the war and after the war. I'd consider it worse to lie about a war than about who you're sleeping with... anyone else agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Ah...name calling. The last bastion of the unintelligent! Who called who a name first...? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 one example is how were we taught about the American Revolution? We were told that there were these awful taxes on the colonists and they were unfair and everything, correct? Well, in reality, the citizens of Britain were paying about three times as many taxes than the colonists were, so that notion of unfair taxation is so not true. I believe the isuue was "Taxation without representation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 Israel is an ally, China, I don't think so!!! It is ok for allies to spy on us? Amazing. Name calling. Why is it anyone that disagrees with you is racist? Most of my opinions are shared by my Jewish friends. In fact, I have had several friends read previous threads and they shake their heads in amazement that you could be so blindly ignorant of human behavior. It is their insight, from actually being there and seeing the problems, that I rely on. For some reason I find their opinions a hell of a lot more informed than yours. They are close enough to the situation on a daily basis and know the problems. They do not have blind faith in Israel's leadership. They know, again from first hand knowledge, the dangers of believing one side is without fault. The fact that I can see both sides of the debate means I am anti-Israel is just silly. Is everything in your life that way? If I search the Pale Hose forum will I read you not agreeing with everything the WS have done? Does that mean you are anti-Sox? You have disagreed with Bush; does that make you anti American? I think Israel is in one of the worst situations I can think of. Not of their making. I do not believe military might will bring a lasting peace. I have not "blasted" Israel. I sympathize with Israel, I do not sympathize with the concept of destroying Palestine in the process. I do not sympathize with killing innocent people. I do not believe sympathizing with innocent people over their fate, at the hands of leaders who cannot compromise because of fear or ignorance or whatever, means I am anti-Palestine or anti-Israel. I detest the murder bombers and suicide bombers that radical Palestinians have used. I also detest Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma City. If I sympathize with his family, does that make me un American? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 It is ok for allies to spy on us? Amazing. Name calling. Why is it anyone that disagrees with you is racist? Most of my opinions are shared by my Jewish friends. In fact, I have had several friends read previous threads and they shake their heads in amazement that you could be so blindly ignorant of human behavior. It is their insight, from actually being there and seeing the problems, that I rely on. For some reason I find their opinions a hell of a lot more informed than yours. They are close enough to the situation on a daily basis and know the problems. They do not have blind faith in Israel's leadership. They know, again from first hand knowledge, the dangers of believing one side is without fault. The fact that I can see both sides of the debate means I am anti-Israel is just silly. Is everything in your life that way? If I search the Pale Hose forum will I read you not agreeing with everything the WS have done? Does that mean you are anti-Sox? You have disagreed with Bush; does that make you anti American? I think Israel is in one of the worst situations I can think of. Not of their making. I do not believe military might will bring a lasting peace. I have not "blasted" Israel. I sympathize with Israel, I do not sympathize with the concept of destroying Palestine in the process. I do not sympathize with killing innocent people. I do not believe sympathizing with innocent people over their fate, at the hands of leaders who cannot compromise because of fear or ignorance or whatever, means I am anti-Palestine or anti-Israel. I detest the murder bombers and suicide bombers that radical Palestinians have used. I also detest Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma City. If I sympathize with his family, does that make me un American? 1) Pollard "stole" secrets that were supposed to have been shared with Israel. For the third time, I said that I believe he should have been punished for what he did. Does that sound like I support spying on the US? 2) I implied that you are a racist because in the short time I've been posting on Soxtalk, you have never said one positive thing about Israel, nor have you supported any pro-Israel ideas. You have also personally attacked me (unprovoked) on many occasions, and have not once agreed with any of my opinions, (is it because I'm a Jew/Zionist?). 3) I never resorted to name calling or obscenities; I only hoped to have an intelligent debate on an issue, (totally different from the one for which this thread was started, YOU BROUGHT ISRAEL INTO THIS DEBATE!). To refresh your memory (AGAIN!!!) I asked why people who ONLY find fault in America wwould continue to live here...what the f**k does that have to do with Israel, Tex? 4) Since you brought up Israel, let me just say this; I resent the fact that you (and others) put Israel and the "palestinians" on the same moral ground. The evidence is overwhelming/conclusive that the "palis" reject peace with Israel; the destruction of the "Jewish State" is still in the PA mandate. They are the "Nazis", they are the ones who reject Judaism and would summarily destroy it if given the chance. They are terrorist scum! Israel, on the other hand, is probably the best country in the Middle East for the average Arab to live in. Israeli Arabs are offerred the same freedoms as are Israeli Jews; they even serve in Knesset. So tell me, how are these two peoples morally equivalent? (See if you can do so without using obscenities and/or name calling.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Who called who a name first...? :headshake Texsox's words/opinions infer a definite bias against Zionists/Israel/Jews! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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