Isreal4ever This one's for you.

[israel4ever]

Unless you can prove otherwise, I believe Queria has a great deal of power if not all of it.

 

This guy is not a figurehead that emerged from nowhere.  He has been second in command of PLO, and has alway worked very hard behind the scenes for peace.  In fact Israel has invited him to sit in on their parliement meetings several times.

 

I don't think Arafat would use someone with Queria's connections and convictions as a figurehead.

If he had any power, how come he can't rein in the militant groups?

[Texsox]

If he had any power, how come he can't rein in the militant groups?

Mayor Daley has power but he can't stop a street gang . . . For example.

[1549]

If he had any power, how come he can't rein in the militant groups?

Has any leader thus far been able to do that?

 

These militant groups are going to keep doing their thing until they see progress. Progress will not occur until Sharon begins to work with Queria on rebuilding and strengthening Palestine as a nation.

[israel4ever]

Since the White House and US State Department have condemned the assassination, why send money to Israel to continue assassinations?

 

The US has rebuilt every country we have ever leveled. Look at Japan. We nuked and rebuilt.  Look what we are doing for the Iraqi people.

 

I found this article, what do you think?

The White House's condemnation of Israel is one of the main reasons why I'd NEVER vote for Bush...he's a f***ing two-faced hypocrite.

 

If he had a chance to kill Bin Laden, he'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

He is one of those "do as I say, not as I do" types. I hate that s.o.b.!

[Pale Hose Jon]

Why send more money to the Palis? So Arafat can steal it?

 

Why rebuild pali towns? To "reward" them for their terrorist acts?

While the children of africa die of hunger, israel recieves more than one third of all US Foreign Aid. More than likley the missles used to kill the hamas leader were financed by the United States.

 

You say "Why rebuild palestinian towns?". Becuase you destroyed them. In 1945 did we just say f*** you nazis were not giving you s***. No, we provided them support through the marshal plan.

 

I do not condone terrorism but israel is dealing with terrorism in the wrong way. People often resort to terrorism because of a term called RELATIVE DEPRIVATION. This means the gap between what one has, and what one expects they should have. If you destory palestinan towns and do not reconstruct them then you are continuing the cycle of violence.

 

Whom is more likely to preform a terrorist act, a poor man living in the rubble of his home. Or the man who is living in his home without any tension?

 

Either way, Terrorism is bad And israel needs to change the way they deal with it

[israel4ever]

Has any leader thus far been able to do that?

 

These militant groups are going to keep doing their thing until they see progress.  Progress will not occur until Sharon begins to work with Queria on rebuilding and strengthening Palestine as a nation.

Past leaders couldn't do it because they didn't want to do it.

 

Every time a terrorist blows up innocent Israeli civilians, Arafat condemns the attack (in English) but praises them (in Arabic!).

[1549]

Past leaders couldn't do it because they didn't want to do it.

 

Every time a terrorist blows up innocent Israeli civilians, Arafat condemns the attack (in English) but praises them (in Arabic!).

Can you provide us with a translation of one of his 'Speeches of Praise'? (from a credible source).

 

If you cannot find a tranlation, at least a news report that says he has been doing this, because it is news to me.

[1549]

While the children of africa die of hunger, israel recieves more than one third of all US Foreign Aid. More than likley the missles used to kill the hamas leader were financed by the United States.

 

You say "Why rebuild palestinian towns?".  Becuase you destroyed them. In 1945 did we just say f*** you nazis were not giving you s***. No, we provided them support through the marshal plan.

 

I do not condone terrorism but israel is dealing with terrorism in the wrong way. People often resort to terrorism because of a term called RELATIVE DEPRIVATION. This means the gap between what one has, and what one expects they should have. If you destory palestinan towns and do not reconstruct them then you are continuing the cycle of violence.

 

Whom is more likely to preform a terrorist act, a poor man living in the rubble of his home. Or the man who is living in his home without any tension?

 

Either way, Terrorism is bad And israel needs to change the way they deal with it

Well said.

 

I feel exactly the same way.

[israel4ever]

While the children of africa die of hunger, israel recieves more than one third of all US Foreign Aid. More than likley the missles used to kill the hamas leader were financed by the United States.

 

You say "Why rebuild palestinian towns?".  Becuase you destroyed them. In 1945 did we just say f*** you nazis were not giving you s***. No, we provided them support through the marshal plan.

 

I do not condone terrorism but israel is dealing with terrorism in the wrong way. People often resort to terrorism because of a term called RELATIVE DEPRIVATION. This means the gap between what one has, and what one expects they should have. If you destory palestinan towns and do not reconstruct them then you are continuing the cycle of violence.

 

Whom is more likely to preform a terrorist act, a poor man living in the rubble of his home. Or the man who is living in his home without any tension?

 

Either way, Terrorism is bad And israel needs to change the way they deal with it

All valid points.

 

But the Palis have to learn/understand why they live in abject poverty.

 

For years, the US and the EU have sent billions of dollars in aid to the Palestinians...but, Arafat and his cronies stole almost all of it. The parts of it they do distribute is given to the families of homicide bombers.

 

They are poor, becuase Arafat wants them poor. Then, he steers the blame towards Israel, creates hatred towards Israel, then turns them loose on Israel!

[israel4ever]

Can you provide us with a translation of one of his 'Speeches of Praise'? (from a credible source). 

 

If you cannot find a tranlation, at least a news report that says he has been doing this, because it is news to me.

I will attempt to do so tonight, when I have my resources at hand.

[1549]

I will attempt to do so tonight, when I have my resources at hand.

sounds good.

[1549]

All valid points.

 

But the Palis have to learn/understand why they live in abject poverty.

 

For years, the US and the EU have sent billions of dollars in aid to the Palestinians...but, Arafat and his cronies stole almost all of it. The parts of it they do distribute is given to the families of homicide bombers.

 

They are poor, becuase Arafat wants them poor. Then, he steers the blame towards Israel, creates hatred towards Israel, then turns them loose on Israel!

Well then we need to send in third party orginizations to rebuild.

 

I have a feeling that in the past we didn't just give Arafat a lump of cash and tell him to rebuild.

[israel4ever]

Please check out www.frontpage.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11685

 

Here is an excerpt...

 

In September 2003 one of Israel's senior research institutes - Public Opinion & Marketing Research of Israel - conducted a poll of 607 Palestinian adults, with a margin of error of +/- 4%. When asked which nation posed athe single greatest threat to world peace, 51% named Israel and 36% named the US, while Iran, North Korea and China were eached named by just 1% of respondents. Fully 74% of those polled said they supported Sadaam Hussein in the current war in Iraq, versus 10% who favored the US. When asked to characterize the people who crashed planes into the WTC on 9/11, respondents were equally divided as to whether they were terrorists or freedom-fighting martyrs. While only 13% of those questioned deemed Hamas a terrorist group, more than 80% identified it as an organization of freedom fighters. A mere 10% said they considered Palestinian bombings of Israeli buses and restaurants to be acts of terrorism. Only 13% thought it was improper when the PA had named a recent childrens' soccer tournament in honor of Abd Al-Al Baset Odeh, who killed 30 Israelis in a suicide bombing. When asked if Hamas and Islamic Jihad should give up their armed struggle against Israel if that nation "were to leave all territories, including East Jerusalem, and grant statehood to the Palestinians," only 26% answered affirmatively.

[1549]

Please check out www.frontpage.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11685

 

Here is an excerpt...

 

In September 2003 one of Israel's senior research institutes - Public Opinion & Marketing Research of Israel - conducted a poll of 607 Palestinian adults, with a margin of error of +/- 4%. When asked which nation posed athe single greatest threat to world peace, 51% named Israel and 36% named the US, while Iran, North Korea and China were eached named by just 1% of respondents. Fully 74% of those polled said they supported Sadaam Hussein in the current war in Iraq, versus 10% who favored the US. When asked to characterize the people who crashed planes into the WTC on 9/11, respondents were equally divided as to whether they were terrorists or freedom-fighting martyrs. While only 13% of those questioned deemed Hamas a terrorist group, more than 80% identified it as an organization of freedom fighters. A mere 10% said they considered Palestinian bombings of Israeli buses and restaurants to be acts of terrorism. Only 13% thought it was improper when the PA had named a recent childrens' soccer tournament in honor of Abd Al-Al Baset Odeh, who killed 30 Israelis in a suicide bombing. When asked if Hamas and Islamic Jihad should give up their armed struggle against Israel if that nation "were to leave all territories, including East Jerusalem, and grant statehood to the Palestinians," only 26% answered affirmatively.

I fail to see your point.

 

I cannot blame these people for having a blurred vision. They live in poverty, they are being told by people they trust that the US and Israel are to blame. They are told that the only way to happiness is the destruction of Israel.

 

The only way to change this is to end the poverty, fear, and resentment.

[Wong & Owens]

I like Hamas, especially with pita chips.

 

While all varieties of Hamas are exquisitely tasty, my personal favorite is roasted red pepper and garlic Hamas.

 

Hamas is made from chickpeas.

[Texsox]

Please check out www.frontpage.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=11685

 

Here is an excerpt...

 

In September 2003 one of Israel's senior research institutes - Public Opinion & Marketing Research of Israel - conducted a poll of 607 Palestinian adults, with a margin of error of +/- 4%. When asked which nation posed athe single greatest threat to world peace, 51% named Israel and 36% named the US, while Iran, North Korea and China were eached named by just 1% of respondents. Fully 74% of those polled said they supported Sadaam Hussein in the current war in Iraq, versus 10% who favored the US. When asked to characterize the people who crashed planes into the WTC on 9/11, respondents were equally divided as to whether they were terrorists or freedom-fighting martyrs. While only 13% of those questioned deemed Hamas a terrorist group, more than 80% identified it as an organization of freedom fighters. A mere 10% said they considered Palestinian bombings of Israeli buses and restaurants to be acts of terrorism. Only 13% thought it was improper when the PA had named a recent childrens' soccer tournament in honor of Abd Al-Al Baset Odeh, who killed 30 Israelis in a suicide bombing. When asked if Hamas and Islamic Jihad should give up their armed struggle against Israel if that nation "were to leave all territories, including East Jerusalem, and grant statehood to the Palestinians," only 26% answered affirmatively.

Of course, as you have pointed out, Palastinians lie

 

Do you honestly believe any of the polls taken by newspapers? I cannot believe either side's unscientific polls.

 

And if I was a Palestinian why would I fear Korea, China, or anyone else? It is Israel that just sent a rocket. s*** I would fear anyone who tosses rockets at me for any reason over a country far away who has never done anything to hurt me.

 

Would Israelis state that Palestinians or China is a bigger threat to their peace? Has China ever sent a suicide bomber to sit next to them on a crowded bus?

 

And this is what is being taught to these people. If they are to believe their newspapers and other media, we are the threat. How are they to hear otherwise?

[1549]

What is your solution Israel4ever?

 

You believe that the Palestinians are corrupt, hating, deviant bastards that cannot be negotiated with, and will never change their feelings of hatred?

 

So what do you plan to do about it? Genocide?...Move Israel?...Blow up the earth?

 

We have all offered opinions on how this can be solved and you say they are all bulls***, so what can be done?

[israel4ever]

Of course, as you have pointed out, Palastinians lie 

 

Do you honestly believe any of the polls taken by newspapers? I cannot believe either side's unscientific polls.

 

And if I was a Palestinian why would I fear Korea, China, or anyone else? It is Israel that just sent a rocket. s*** I would fear anyone who tosses rockets at me for any reason over a country far away who has never done anything to hurt me.

 

Would Israelis state that Palestinians or China is a bigger threat to their peace? Has China ever sent a suicide bomber to sit next to them on a crowded bus?

 

And this is what is being taught to these people. If they are to believe their newspapers and other media, we are the threat. How are they to hear otherwise?

wHY WOULD THEY LIE TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK BAD?

[1549]

wHY WOULD THEY LIE TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK BAD?

When your living dirt poor in bombed out town with blood on your walls, and family members buried in your yard, I don't think image matters.

[israel4ever]

What is your solution Israel4ever?

 

You believe that the Palestinians are corrupt, hating, deviant bastards that cannot be negotiated with, and will never change their feelings of hatred?

 

So what do you plan to do about it? Genocide?...Move Israel?...Blow up the earth?

 

We have all offered opinions on how this can be solved and you say they are all bulls***, so what can be done?

Step 1) Remove Arafat from office, in any way necessary.

Step 2) The next (democratically elected) palestinian leader MUST recognize Israel's Right to Exist, and do EVERYTHING in his power to guarantee it. (Actions, not just words!)

Step 3) Disarm/dismantle all militant groups and factions.

Step 4) There must be a "proving period" (1 year) wherein there are NO violent acts by Palestinians vs. Israelis.

 

Then...you can start negotiations.

[israel4ever]

When your living dirt poor in bombed out town with blood on your walls, and family members buried in your yard, I don't think image matters.

They need to be made to understand that their "living" conditions are the way they are because of their own "leadership", not because of the Israelis!

[zach61]

I'm glad I'm not Jewish. It seems like since you guys killed Jesus, everybody hates you.

[Steff]

I'm glad I'm not Jewish. It seems like since you guys killed Jesus, everybody hates you.

[Texsox]

Step 1) Remove Arafat from office, in any way necessary.

Step 2) The next (democratically elected) palestinian leader MUST recognize Israel's Right to Exist, and do EVERYTHING in his power to guarantee it. (Actions, not just words!)

Step 3) Disarm/dismantle all militant groups and factions.

Step 4) There must be a "proving period" (1 year) wherein there are NO violent acts by Palestinians vs. Israelis.

 

Then...you can start negotiations.

Would it also help if Israel recognized the Palestinians right to exist?

 

What it will take is for strong leaders on both sides to admit there is a better way, give a lot, and make it happen. I pray that can happen, but believe with each passing year it is less and less likely. Both sides are learning about the others sides cruelities and wrongdoings. Wether accurate or not.

 

Unfortunately, leaders like that would be assissinated.

[southsider2k5]

Mayor Daley has power but he can't stop a street gang . . . For example.

What do you guys want from me?