Steff Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 He likes big butts and he cannot lie... Great... that one will be with me for a week or two.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Sad when an Indiana white boy tries to rap . . . Or when a Chicagoian tries to pass himself off as a Texan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Great... that one will be with me for a week or two.... gain a couple pounds during your vacation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Or when a Chicagoian tries to pass himself off as a Texan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 gain a couple pounds during your vacation? I wish. I must have sweated out 10 I didn't need to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 From Amnesty International's Web Site Condemnation for Palestine Suicide Bombers Israel, do you ever search before posting? I am trying to understand your stance but when you make statements like the UN has never condemned Palestine, or Amnesty International, and they have, you hurt your credibility. That is twice in two days. So are you either making stuff up, not researching your facts, or just flat out lying to us, with your "facts"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I wish. I must have sweated out 10 I didn't need to lose. BTW, what's this thread about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 That is twice in two days. So are you either making stuff up, not researching your facts, or just flat out lying to us, with your "facts"??? yus talkin' to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 yus talkin' to me? Not you...Israel4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 From Amnesty International's Web Site Condemnation for Palestine Suicide Bombers Israel, do you ever search before posting? I am trying to understand your stance but when you make statements like the UN has never condemned Palestine, or Amnesty International, and they have, you hurt your credibility. Again, I stand corrected. I am more than enough of a man to admit when I am wrong. If you do further research you will see a disproportionate number of Israeli condemnations than there are Palestinian condemnations, by the UN, Amnesty Intl, etc. I know that in an argument, when you use terms like "never" and/or "always", you open yourself up for a "beatdown". That's what I did, and you caught me on it. (Nice work!) I was trying to; 1) make a point about the disproportionate Numbe of condemnations; 2) see if Apu could back up ANY of his claims with...I don't know...A fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 That is twice in two days. So are you either making stuff up, not researching your facts, or just flat out lying to us, with your "facts"??? Actually I am certain APU would agree that Amnesty is the most anti-Israel Organization out there. Especially after reading that link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I'm glad I'm not Jewish. It seems like since you guys killed Jesus, everybody hates you. It's a tough cross to bear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Would it also help if Israel recognized the Palestinians right to exist? What it will take is for strong leaders on both sides to admit there is a better way, give a lot, and make it happen. I pray that can happen, but believe with each passing year it is less and less likely. Both sides are learning about the others sides cruelities and wrongdoings. Wether accurate or not. Unfortunately, leaders like that would be assissinated. Israel has never NOT recognized Palestines' right to exist, just not in ALL of Israel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 i4e i strongly support israel but we're just going to keep arguing about this because people feel strongly about it. I agree with what you're proving but some people simply feel the opposite way. There will always be people disagreeing, and no matter how hard one tries to convince the other side it won't happen. You are 100% correct Ish, and I'm done trying! If you look at the title of this thread, you can see where I was kind of goaded into responding. I'm not going to do it anymore. Some people are too stubborn, ignorant, stupid, etc., to try to see things in ways other than those in which they believe. I can't get to these close minded people, and I ain't gonna try anymore. Let 'em wallow in their "blissful ignorance"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Again, I stand corrected. I am more than enough of a man to admit when I am wrong. If you do further research you will see a disproportionate number of Israeli condemnations than there are Palestinian condemnations, by the UN, Amnesty Intl, etc. I know that in an argument, when you use terms like "never" and/or "always", you open yourself up for a "beatdown". That's what I did, and you caught me on it. (Nice work!) I was trying to; 1) make a point about the disproportionate Numbe of condemnations; 2) see if Apu could back up ANY of his claims with...I don't know...A fact! I'll be honest, I've been trying to refute many of Apu's claims and it is difficult. I am not saying they are factual, just harder to debunk. I didn't find just one UN or Amnesty International denouncement of Palestine, there are a bunch to wade through. Have they also condemned Israel? Yes they have. And the Physicians group you cited does seem to be a Palestinan only group. Of course they are touting Pro-Palestinian view points. As far as your earlier post regarding a newspaper poll. I'm not a rocket scientist but I have done and reviewed enough scientific research to know the difference. If I was the NRA and wanted to poll Americans on gun control, I would poll ranchers in Wyoming and produce results that matched what I wanted. If I was the AARP, I would survey retirement communities in Florida. If we polled Illinois residents about airport noise would the results be different in Rosemont and Sleepy Hollow? You cannot believe any newspaper poll with out knowing the methods used in their research. I have never seen one that was scientific based. If they phoned Palestinians, they just narowed their search to only those Palestinians rich enough to own phones, and you've told us most Palestinians live in poverty. If this was a self selected poll. (hello, are you a Palestinian?) anyone could have voted and confounded the results. If this was an internet poll, even worse. I reject a lot of surveys that are posted as pro Palestinian for the same reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Israel has never NOT recognized Palestines' right to exist, just not in ALL of Israel! Another sticky point in negotiations. Would it be ok if the Palestinians said Israel has the right to exist over there, but not here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Actually I am certain APU would agree that Amnesty is the most anti-Israel Organization out there. Especially after reading that link. I could not care less what Apu "thinks". I know I have called (or impled) several people racist or anti-Semitic in prior postings, to those of you who I did so, I apologize...I was wrong. However, Apu makes no qualms about the fact that he hates Jews, Israel, Zionists, the IDF, Americans, America, the US Military, etc. To him I owe no apologies, nore will I ever offer any. I have no room in my life for idiots like Apu. He can go to Hell with Yassin and the rest of the terrorists, who's causes, Apu champions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I could not care less what Apu "thinks". I know I have called (or impled) several people racist or anti-Semitic in prior postings, to those of you who I did so, I apologize...I was wrong. However, Apu makes no qualms about the fact that he hates Jews, Israel, Zionists, the IDF, Americans, America, the US Military, etc. To him I owe no apologies, nore will I ever offer any. I have no room in my life for idiots like Apu. He can go to Hell with Yassin and the rest of the terrorists, who's causes, Apu champions! Actually, while not agreeing with Apu, I do not think he is an idiot. He is a skilled researcher and a fairly entertaining writer. He also seems to be able to keep his calm and wits about him. Perhaps he isn't as emotionally tied to this. I think he has done a fair job of pointing out attrocities that have been committed against Palestine as I4E has done a fair job of pointing out the attrocities that have been committed against Israel. If this was truly a one-sided argument it would have been solved a long time ago. Instead, it is a powder keg of issues that all reach to the very core of our being human. Security, faith, justice, anguish for loved ones, etc. As for APU's hatred of Jews, I4E has demonstrated his hatred of Palestinians, Arabs, and anyone who disagrees with his point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Another sticky point in negotiations. Would it be ok if the Palestinians said Israel has the right to exist over there, but not here? It might help if Palestinians said Israel had the Right to Exist in Arabic, to the Arab people, instead of just in English, to appease the West. It would also help if they did something about it, in addition to just talking. Maybe start with NOT teaching their childredn to want to hate and kill Jews, not teaching their children that Jews are the devil, that we are dogs and pigs. Not promising martyrdom to killers of Jews, not calling for "a million martyrs on Jerusalem". Not preaching "Palestine - From the River to the Sea". That would be a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Actually, while not agreeing with Apu, I do not think he is an idiot. He is a skilled researcher and a fairly entertaining writer. He also seems to be able to keep his calm and wits about him. Perhaps he isn't as emotionally tied to this. I think he has done a fair job of pointing out attrocities that have been committed against Palestine as I4E has done a fair job of pointing out the attrocities that have been committed against Israel. If this was truly a one-sided argument it would have been solved a long time ago. Instead, it is a powder keg of issues that all reach to the very core of our being human. Security, faith, justice, anguish for loved ones, etc. Problem is, I don't think many (if any) of the so-called atrocities Apu alleges Israel perpetrated against Palestine ever happenned. He cannot cite internationally recognized CREDIBLE news sources to back up any of his claims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 It might help if Palestinians said Israel had the Right to Exist in Arabic, to the Arab people, instead of just in English, to appease the West. Is the PLO Charter written in English or Arabic? Here is Arafat changing the charter to remove language regarding Israel's destruction. Link to news article I found this quote: On December 16, 2001, increasing international pressure persuaded Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to address the issues of terrorism. Speaking in Arabic on Palestinian television, Arafat called on the Palestinian people to end "all military activities" against Israel. He also said, "I renew the call to completely halt any activities, especially suicide attacks, which we have condemned and always condemned." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Problem is, I don't think many (if any) of the so-called atrocities Apu alleges Israel perpetrated against Palestine ever happenned. He cannot cite internationally recognized CREDIBLE news sources to back up any of his claims! How about the recent assassination that just about evefry country has denounced? Or do you not recognize your employer as a credible source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I4E, I cited internationally recognized human rights organizations, academic journals...every time I cite something you claim it is anti-Israel because it f***ing takes the time and has the balls to criticize the BLOOD SOAKED THUGS in the Likud party of Israel. I've cited plenty of sources that show the human rights abuses of Israel. I do believe it is you who doesn't cite any sources and makes outrageous claims in order to dismiss sources. Projection much? I4E, again, show me the quotes where I say that I hate all Jews. I'd really like to see this. You know, I'm asking a big task...for you to actually prove one of your baseless claims but I want f***ing proof if you're gonna say I hate ALL Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Is the PLO Charter written in English or Arabic? Here is Arafat changing the charter to remove language regarding Israel's destruction. Link to news article I found this quote: On December 16, 2001, increasing international pressure persuaded Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to address the issues of terrorism. Speaking in Arabic on Palestinian television, Arafat called on the Palestinian people to end "all military activities" against Israel. He also said, "I renew the call to completely halt any activities, especially suicide attacks, which we have condemned and always condemned." They haven't stopped, have they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Problem is, I don't think many (if any) of the so-called atrocities Apu alleges Israel perpetrated against Palestine ever happenned. This is dripping with irony. You sound exactly like the people who think the Holocaust didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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