Texsox Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hmm, a little tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Its close between the Sox and Twins, but I went with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZZ-fest 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Twins lost alot out of their pitching staff. So I definitely think they had a worse off season. We'll be able to tell at the end of the year though. We really didn't do a whole lot, but besides Colon, we didn't lose anybody worth a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 25, 2004 Author Share Posted March 25, 2004 Twins lost alot out of their pitching staff. So I definitely think they had a worse off season. We'll be able to tell at the end of the year though. We really didn't do a whole lot, but besides Colon, we didn't lose anybody worth a ton. flash, everett, alomar, and graffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 No doubt the Twins. Guardado, Hawkins, Pierzynski and Milton are bigger loses than Colon, Gordon, Alomar, Graffanino, and Everett. IMHO. Sox still have alot more to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZZ-fest 2004 Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 flash, everett, alomar, and graffy Being a fan, I would say that it sucks to lose those guys. Being a realist, I say those aren't devastating losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 Being a fan, I would say that it sucks to lose those guys. Being a realist, I say those aren't devastating losses. Flash is. Our pen wasnt awesome last year. Marte and Flash got used a ton last season. He is a huge loss. We have to hope Politte and Koch can come back after poor 2003 campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 I went Twins on this. Steve has brought up their losses(Hawkins, Guardado, Milton, Pierzynski, and one Steve did not mention, Dustan Mohr went to SF as well), and while Milton and Mohr made very limited contributions to their club last year, the others still hurt quite a bit. They have been replaced though. The Sox lost Colon, Gordon, Everett, Alomar, Sullivan, Graffy, and if you want, Daubach too. However, the only key losses were Colon and Gordon. Gordon has been replaced and then some(our pen last year was Wunsch, Marte, Gordon, Koch, White, and I believe Glover going into opening day last year...this year, Wunsch, Marte, and Koch return from last year, and Politte being the only lock for the team really, then we pick 2-3 from a group of Jackson, Grilli, Adkins, Shingo, Ginter, and possibly others as well. You give me any combination of those 5 to fill ou the pen, and I like it more then our pen last year. However, the key loss from last year is Colon. He put up less then stellar stats(15-13 3.87), however, we have to replace his 242 innings. I think those are easily replaced. Garland will probably throw 200 innings this year, Buehrle will throw 230-240 again this year, Loaiza will throw anywhere from 180-190 or 220-230...we'll have to see. Also, Scho will probably throw 180-200, and Wright will throw 180-200, and those innings that we get from Wright will probably be enough just from our #5 spot to replace Colon's 242 innings. Add to that the new man in charge brings in an attitude that is second to none in how good it is, and I don't think our offseason was all that bad, even with the very few moves we actually made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 I went Twins on this. Steve has brought up their losses(Hawkins, Guardado, Milton, Pierzynski, and one Steve did not mention, Dustan Mohr went to SF as well), and while Milton and Mohr made very limited contributions to their club last year, the others still hurt quite a bit. They have been replaced though. The Sox lost Colon, Gordon, Everett, Alomar, Sullivan, Graffy, and if you want, Daubach too. However, the only key losses were Colon and Gordon. Gordon has been replaced and then some(our pen last year was Wunsch, Marte, Gordon, Koch, White, and I believe Glover going into opening day last year...this year, Wunsch, Marte, and Koch return from last year, and Politte being the only lock for the team really, then we pick 2-3 from a group of Jackson, Grilli, Adkins, Shingo, Ginter, and possibly others as well. You give me any combination of those 5 to fill ou the pen, and I like it more then our pen last year. However, the key loss from last year is Colon. He put up less then stellar stats(15-13 3.87), however, we have to replace his 242 innings. I think those are easily replaced. Garland will probably throw 200 innings this year, Buehrle will throw 230-240 again this year, Loaiza will throw anywhere from 180-190 or 220-230...we'll have to see. Also, Scho will probably throw 180-200, and Wright will throw 180-200, and those innings that we get from Wright will probably be enough just from our #5 spot to replace Colon's 242 innings. Add to that the new man in charge brings in an attitude that is second to none in how good it is, and I don't think our offseason was all that bad, even with the very few moves we actually made. I forgot about Mohr, but if you look at it this way, he and Nathan cancel each other out IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I think the sox was just a little better than the twins because of the addition of the addition of Ozzie Guillen as manager, or should I say the subtraction of Jerry Manuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 For what it's worth, the Twins also lost Denny Hocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 For what it's worth, the Twins also lost Denny Hocking. There goes their chance at a 3-peat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I'm not sure if I had some bias in this or not, but I went Twins w/ the losses in their bullpen and rotation. But where's the Tigers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Definitely Twinkies, but the sox are in 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Let me check on their off-season won/loss pct. and I'll get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Do you really mean "worst" off season, or do you mean "worse?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Do you really mean "worst" off season, or do you mean "worse?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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