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  1. 1. What should the Sox do will Schoenweis?

    • Let him be the 4th man in the rotation (he'll figure it out)
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    • Let Cotts take over for him (Wright to 4)
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    • Let Rauch take over for him (Wright to 4)
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    • Trade for Kris Benson
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    • Trade for another pitcher (suggestions at bottom, please)
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    • Other
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greasywheels121 Grand Master

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I know I'll probably get some heat for this, but we need to start him in the #4 spot in our rotation to start the season. We really don't have many other accessible options. Lets see how he does through the first month of the season, and then we can start to look around for any possible replacements.

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Here's an article about everyone's favorite pitcher from Chisox.com; BTW they did a little renovating over at the site. It looks sharp, everyone should check it out....

 

Starting spot slipping away?

Schoeneweis struggles against Milwaukee

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com

 

TUCSON, Ariz. -- When Scott Schoeneweis entered the White Sox clubhouse Sunday after struggling through his toughest pitching performance of the spring, he was greeted with the news that the television picture from the Duke-Xavier Atlanta Regional college basketball final temporarily had been replaced by snow.

"That's par for the course," said Schoeneweis with a wry smile.

 

Not being able to watch his alma mater eventually put away the Musketeers and reach the Final Four was the least of Schoeneweis' problems. He allowed eight hits and six earned runs over 3 1/3 innings -- throwing 86 pitches -- before manager Ozzie Guillen lifted the left-hander with two men on and one out in the fourth.

 

Schoeneweis has struggled throughout Spring Training, allowing 32 hits and 20 earned runs in 19 1/3 innings covering five starts. His early efforts were problematic basically because he was working with two new pitchers, the changeup and cut fastball, and nothing else, as he tried to incorporate them into his overall repertoire.

 

But with a full arsenal of pitches at his disposal, the team wants better results from its projected fourth starter.

 

"I'm not the type of manager to talk about the team, but the last two outings, he was a little shaky," said Guillen of Schoeneweis. "We need to see him getting better. Today, he didn't throw the ball the way we want him to throw the ball. He knows."

 

Sunday's outing raised a few more eyebrows being that Milwaukee featured a lineup without starters Scott Podsednik, Geoff Jenkins, Junior Spivey, Craig Counsell and Chad Moeller. A point not lost on general manager Ken Williams.

 

One day earlier, Williams had issued a challenge to an unnamed player on the White Sox roster, an individual he was waiting "to pick up the pace a little bit" and who might get a roster surprise if he didn't. Williams still would not mention that particular player by name Sunday, making it appear that he was issuing more of a blanket challenge to his team for the last week of Spring Training.

 

It was not a proclamation that seemed to have made its way around the clubhouse prior to Sunday's game. But a few players, including the struggling Schoeneweis, understood the general manager's push.

 

"That sounds like he's trying to get everybody fired up," said White Sox catcher Sandy Alomar of Williams' comments. "When you keep it anonymous and don't give a name, it's probably a message for the whole team. That's calling everybody out."

 

"If that's a shot at me personally, I'll take is as a challenge," Schoeneweis said, although Williams didn't mention any name. "But I'm going to play this game as long as someone lets me, and I'm going to work hard to try to be successful and stick around. I just need to execute better and today I didn't do it."

 

Catcher Miguel Olivo mentioned that Schoeneweis' sinker was diving too far out of the strike zone, while his cutter was catching too much of the plate. Whatever the trouble, Schoeneweis can take solace in the fact that it's still Spring Training and none of these statistics end up on the back of baseball cards.

 

But if he doesn't start producing, Schoeneweis could find himself back in the bullpen and replaced by Neal Cotts. The young left-hander has earned rave reviews all spring from Guillen and will get a chance to start Monday against Kansas City and then come back a few days later to pitch out of the bullpen.

 

If Cotts steps up on to the staff, that could leave Jason Grilli with a trip to the minor leagues or even a trip back to Florida. Williams and Guillen both eluded to Grilli's situation as a Rule 5 selection after Sunday's game.

 

"We will have more to talk about with regards to Jason Grilli in the next 24 to 48 hours," said Williams, who would need to make a move with the Marlins in order to keep Grilli, if he doesn't make the 25-man active roster.

 

"He's a kid that I want, but we don't know how many pitchers we're going to carry right now," Guillen added of Grilli. "His situation is pretty tough, but hopefully we'll get something done to keep him here."

 

If Schoeneweis remains on schedule, he will faces Milwaukee again Friday in the second-to-last Spring Training contest at Tucson Electric Park. He understands the pressure to produce and Williams' challenge for the team to be sharper as it gets closer to the season.

 

But he also feels confident throwing all of his pitches, the designed result from his earlier Spring Training plan that would make him a more complete starting pitcher than in the past with Anaheim. He holds firm to the belief that it's better to get these troubles out of the way now, instead of during the regular season.

 

"I'm going to still work hard to be part of this rotation and assume that I am until I'm told differently," Schoeneweis said. "I think I've been pretty good about working hard and trying to do things to be successful and help this team out.

 

"Right now, it's not working. I don't think I'm going to bail on it. I don't think there needs to be an extreme overhaul. The main thing is I need to pitch better."

 

Williams will afford Schoeneweis the chance to stay in the rotation. How thin Schoeneweis' margin for error has become is the question at hand.

 

"He'll get every opportunity, but we need to start seeing results," Williams said of Schoeneweis. "We need to see more out of him. It's as plain and simple as that.

 

"I understand there are certain things you are working on in Spring Training and he has definitely done that and done that very well. There are a lot of times where you have to be forgiving with the overall performance at the end of the day.

 

"As we get closer to the season, it becomes time to start refining your repertoire and it has to translate into success," Williams added. "It's especially true against a paired down lineup such as the one that was out there (for Milwaukee) today."

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SkokieSox Mentor

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Throw him and wright into bullpen and have cotts and rauch take 4-5

Why does Wright have to suffer for Schoney. He at least has shown he deserves a spot. I am more proned to send Schoeny to AAA and to see if he can get his repetoire working down there. He just started working on it during ST, because Coop showed him what he wanted then. Maybe he just needs more time, but not during the season in the majors. No learning at our expense. Also, then we can keep Grilli in the long relief role and not offer him back to the Marlins. I will be pissed if we are forced to give him back due to Schoney. Let him get it together in the minors. If he becomes lights out, then he can replace Cotts, unless he himself is lights out. Otherwise, he can become a lefty specialist, but again, not at Grilli's expense.

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Pale Hose Jon Experienced

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Why does Wright have to suffer for Schoney. He at least has shown he deserves a spot.

I don't think he is suffering. I was told that he would make a great bullpen guy. I think we hae our best chance to win when we have those two young guys in the rotation and wright and showy in the pen :headbang

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hammerhead johnson Grand Master

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Jose Canseco could post a better ERA than 13.72. Sweet Jesus. Hell, I'd probably be able to do better, and all that I have is a 60 MPH fastball.

 

I don't want to hear anything about new pitches. He needs some time in the minors if he wants to go that route. Or how about just one new pitch instead of two. WHY TWO NEW PITCHES? Who learns two new pitches in a month? Sounds goofy as hell from where I'm sitting.

 

We have so much pitching talent in this organization, you know? Bring up a kid. Surprise me for once. Where are our Brandon Webbs at?

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SoxAce Grand Master

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Sorry haven't been posting in a couple days. Been out parting, hangin out with my friends. Did I miss anything? :D I see we changed Soxtalk alittle, and see we actually made a f***ing trade.. Anything else I miss?

BTW....Give the starter spot to Cotts! :headbang :headbang

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witesoxfan Grand Master

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Just as a publicity stunt, we should trade Schoenweis for a position player and put the position player in the rotation, just to see how it works out.

 

 

 

And seriously, just leave him. If he sucks, moves will be made to help make our rotation not suck.

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