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[IlliniBob72]

No, he lived in the era when the King would not allow him to own a firearm or practice his religion or have a right to a trial by jury, etc.

What's your point? I never said things were great then. My point is that the potential for mass murder wasn't as great back then when the most dangerous weapon was a flintlock musket that could get off two shots per minute.

[southsider2k5]

What's your point? I never said things were great then. My point is that the potential for mass murder wasn't as great back then when the most dangerous weapon was a flintlock musket that could get off two shots per minute.

mass murder no, but the potential for abuse of ones right was exponentially greater then, because you didn't have any, or the government was incredibly weak to enforce them. I think that is what Eye was getting at.

[IlliniBob72]

mass murder no, but the potential for abuse of ones right was exponentially greater then, because you didn't have any, or the government was incredibly weak to enforce them.  I think that is what Eye was getting at.

That's fine. Listen, I am not in favor of wearing a barcode so the feds can keep tabs on me. I just hate seeing a quote thrown around smugly from a guy that lived in a time where the threat to human life was infinitely less than it is now. For example, about 2800 lives were lost on 9/11. How many American lives were lost in combat in the entire Revolutionary War? About 4400. A certain context needs to be added to that quote.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

The reason it has looked like that, is because I get sick of only seeing one side posted on here, much like good old Israel4ever with his rants.  If you have read my comments much more closely, there are many times where I say BOTH sides deserve lots of blame, and I wouldn't be voting for George Bush if someone else had fielded a moderate canditiate.  I have ranted on Bush many times.  There is no really need to lately because that is done plenty by many people on here.

That's exactly the reason, cw. For the most part, there is a heavy, HEAVY, bashing of Bush going on here all the time, while Kerry and others dont have much said about them. I dont agree with everything Bush says either, but the reason you dont see me coming out in saying it is like Southsider said, i too was getting sick of basically just one viewpoint coming out while the other was disregarded.

[Queen Prawn]

That's exactly the reason, cw. For the most part, there is a heavy, HEAVY, bashing of Bush going on here all the time, while Kerry and others dont have much said about them.

LMAO!

 

There's been heavy bashing coming from both sides in here as of late.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

LMAO!

 

There's been heavy bashing coming from both sides in here as of late.

as of LATE, yes. As of a few weeks ago? Not at all

[cwsox]

as of LATE, yes. As of a few weeks ago? Not at all

I am calling you on your inaccurate statement.

 

Fanof14 is right about recently and since this board began.

 

There have been many times when Apu was villified beyond belief and it was just apu and me being ripped by the other, your, side to the point where I wass told a year ago that people liked me wanted our troops to be killed in Iraq so we could "win" whioch was not only a morally indefensible statemen but my son is an active duty Marine so don't come crying here about your side being so picked on and "bashing" being one-sided. It is simply not true, not true at all.

 

When I first was made an admin I had peoeple ask me personally and via email to ban apu for his political views. I have never disclosed that before but it really disgusted me the intolerance. Then there was all the s*** that happened last October.

 

You just dislike that we don't roll over and go away.

 

Your side has already been well represented and vehement. Name a time when you think Mr Eye and IlliniBob, among others, have ever been silent in representing their beliefs. Name a day when s2k4 hasn't posted.

 

I think you need to put your Madonna album on and play Don't Cry for Me Argentina.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

When I first was made an admin I had peoeple ask me personally and via email to ban apu for his political views.  I have never disclosed that before but it really disgusted me the intolerance.

::Takes a bow::

[kapkomet]

I am calling you on your inaccurate statement.

 

Fanof14 is right about recently and since this board began.

 

There have been many times when Apu was villified beyond belief and it was just apu and me being ripped by the other, your, side to the point where I wass told a year ago that people liked me wanted our troops to be killed in Iraq so we could "win" whioch was not only a morally indefensible statemen but my son is an active duty Marine so don't come crying here about your side being so picked on and "bashing" being one-sided.  It is simply not true, not true at all.

 

When I first was made an admin I had peoeple ask me personally and via email to ban apu for his political views.  I have never disclosed that before but it really disgusted me the intolerance.  Then there was all the s*** that happened last October.

 

You just dislike that we don't roll over and go away.

 

Your side has already been well represented and vehement.  Name a time when you think Mr Eye and IlliniBob, among others, have ever been silent in representing their beliefs.  Name a day when s2k4 hasn't posted.

 

I think you need to put your Madonna album on and play Don't Cry for Me Argentina.

I, for one, ask things both ways. And let's face it. This is a message board. I can say, do, think, anything - but say it completely differently on here.

 

Hey, maybe Apu is a closet Republican! You wouldn't know the difference if the information he chose to provide was consistently against Bush... that's what he posts on here and so we all KNOW Apu. No we don't, we know the screen name. I would imagine if we sat down in a bar (or other setting) he'd be just fine to talk to. To ban him, or to have asked that, is shameful.

 

The point is it really doesn't matter what your political view is. He has just as much right to post his beliefs as do any of us who oppose his viewpoints. IT's CALLED DEBATE!

[cwsox]

The point is it really doesn't matter what your political view is. We all just as much right to post our beliefs as do any one else with different viewpoints. IT's CALLED DEBATE!

 

with a few changes, my apologies, but to make it more of a maxim, yes.

 

 

I think the tilt has been to the proBush side from the beginning but there have also been some incredible conversations/debates/discussion here to which many people have made wonderful contributions and from whom I have learned things or gained greater understandings of other things.

 

 

 

God bless us, all, everyone.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

I am calling you on your inaccurate statement.

 

Fanof14 is right about recently and since this board began.

 

There have been many times when Apu was villified beyond belief and it was just apu and me being ripped by the other, your, side to the point where I wass told a year ago that people liked me wanted our troops to be killed in Iraq so we could "win" whioch was not only a morally indefensible statemen but my son is an active duty Marine so don't come crying here about your side being so picked on and "bashing" being one-sided.  It is simply not true, not true at all.

 

When I first was made an admin I had peoeple ask me personally and via email to ban apu for his political views.  I have never disclosed that before but it really disgusted me the intolerance.  Then there was all the s*** that happened last October.

 

You just dislike that we don't roll over and go away.

 

Your side has already been well represented and vehement.  Name a time when you think Mr Eye and IlliniBob, among others, have ever been silent in representing their beliefs.  Name a day when s2k4 hasn't posted.

 

I think you need to put your Madonna album on and play Don't Cry for Me Argentina.

oh i'm sorry almighty one. I wasnt talking about the history of Soxtalk here. I didnt start posting regularly till late october (right after the big 'incident' occured that i still dont know what it was) or so and i had only been reading the board for a couple months prior. What i was referring to was the exact SAME thing that southsider was. There seemed to be a big bulk of those threads that came up at the same time which is why it made it seem that way. When u meant "not recently" i meant like a couple weeks ago. I wasnt whining or anything. YOU were the one that started crying about "us" republicans only being one sided. Also, YOU were the one making assumptions about us saying "you all see no imperfections in Bush". Have we come out and said that? No. Just b/c we dont join in your criticism of him while you support others does not substantiate that claim of yours. So sorry if i "offended" you.

[southsider2k5]

with a few changes, my apologies, but to make it more of a maxim, yes.

 

 

I think the tilt has been to the proBush side from the beginning but there have also been some incredible conversations/debates/discussion here to which many people have made wonderful contributions and from whom I have learned things or gained greater understandings of other things.

 

 

 

God bless us, all, everyone.

And honest to God here, it is refreshing to be able to debate with people who at least care about politics despite the cesspool is has become, and also can articulate intelligent opinions, no matter how wrong they are

 

And as to those who hate Apu (and I use hate on purpose) like I said a long time ago, I think people hate him so much because he out smarts them, not just out-yells them like some ignorants we have on here. I agree with almost nothing he saids, but as an Admin nobody better EVER email me and ask to ban him, EVER. A guy like him is what this country is founded on, and what makes this board great. People with different opinions are encouraged to articulate and express themselves.

 

And as to you cw, I like you much better when you are like your last post. Inclusive and thankful, despite it all. You have sounded so much more bitter than I have come to know. I pray all is well with you!

 

And as to Adam and IlliniBob and company, keep defending what you believe. I love the fact that there is support for the "other" side.

 

And to everyone else, this is what sex, lies, and politics is about. This is a rough and tumble place to hang out, be prepared to get muddied up. But just remember, this is a message board, and nothing said here is worth grudges, anger and hate.

 

Peace to all, and I am off of my soapbox

Southsider!

[IlliniBob72]

Well, since it's been thrown out there that people have asked for Apu to be banned and that I have butted heads with him on a few occasions in the past, I feel I need to say that I have never suggested he be banned.

 

And don't worry SS2K, I'll always be here advocating for truth, justice, and the American way.

 

I, too, feel I can see the wrong done by the GOP. I don't understand the uproar about homosexual marriage. Why does anyone care, really? And there are other things that I don't want to waste time listing. I'm a history buff, so I have a hard time getting worked up by what others find outrageous. While others get their undies in a bunch over what they consider a war for oil, I realize that if it were the case (which it isn't), it certainly wouldn't be without historical precedent. Nations have waged wars over economical factors for centuries. Hell, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor over an oil embargo. Apu also has listed many examples of American interventions in other countries affairs. Again, I yawn at this because I understand that that is what global power politics is all about. It may not be fair or ideal, but it is what it is. Again, it's been going on for centuries. Nations have supported other nations, no matter how odious their leaders or their policies, solely because it benefited themselves.

 

I also believe in the inherent goodness of our leaders. Our worst presidents, like Carter, Hoover, or Buchanan, were guilty of incompetence, not malice. While I believe that Kerry is a jackass, I don't believe that what he wants to do as President is out of mailcious motives. To say that the war waged on Iraq was for the profits of Haliburton is accusing the administration of pure evil. The main characters of the accusation, Cheney and Rumsfeld, have served this country longer than some of us have been alive, and I think such an accusation is unfair and outrageous. If there comes to light incontrovertible (sp?) proof that the war was waged solely for profit, I will join the chorus calling for their ouster.

 

I also try to put myself in the position of having to make the really important decisions. It's easy to sit in a dorm room in 2004 and spout off about how supporting the mujhadeen in Afghanistan in the 1980's was a royal screwup, but how did the idea of letting the Soviets take over Afghanistan unimpeded sound? Would Pakistan or India be next? Or how about letting radical Islamic government spread to Iraq? Then onto Jordan or Saudi Arabia? I try hard not to play Monday Morning Quarterback too often.

 

Well, I'm rambling now and am having a hard time concentrating with the Michigan-Oregon game on right now so I'll wrap this up. Bottom line is that I don't feel I'm a Bush defender as much as a defender of a guy that's doing what he feels is best for the country under unprecedented circumstances. Unless I hear a better gamplan, which I haven't, I will continue to fight what I feel is unfair and really overboard criticism.

[Spiff]

I think you need to put your Madonna album on and play Don't Cry for Me Argentina.

you are a disgrace, you condescending little prick.

[YASNY]

I have not seen any opbjectivity from the republican whiners about how every body is so mean and nasty to poor Georgie or any criticisms of the perfect realm of G W.

 

 

Is this really necessary? For someone who gets offended at perceived insults, you don't mind dishing out the real thing.

[YASNY]

you are a disgrace, you condescending little prick.

This kind of crap is TOTALLY unnecessary. So much for healthy, intelligent debate.

[Spiff]

This kind of crap is TOTALLY unnecessary.  So much for healthy, intelligent debate.

You know what else is unnecessary? Him talking down to people all the f***ing time. Look at this thread, he baits people (Chisox Sonix by name) into getting pissed off and then when they do he says OH GO CRY ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. f*** that I'm tired of him acting all high and mighty just to feel better about himself.

[Texsox]

I wish that this country could get a legitimate 3rd party, just for this reason.  All of the canditiates have to follow the party line on all of the issues, and it is just ignorant.    Why can't canditates pick and choose the issues?  Because their parties hold them for ransom with the necesary funding to get elected.  And there in, is another reason I hate the way we finance campaigns now.

I agree with your view of the problem. However, could you imagine the gridlock trying to reach a majority in a three party system? Could you imagine the deal making to get X passed? We would be adding Y and Z to everything.

[Texsox]

you are a disgrace, you condescending little prick.

Does that mean you don't like Madonna?