baggio202 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 We've had several posts saying if we gave up Rauch, it would be too much. Baggs says the Phillies wouldn't make this deal. It sounds like a possibility to me, since it seems to be pretty even from the perspective that both sides would hate to give up that kind of quality. YAS..the difference is rollins is now a proven commodity...rauch is still a guy that has loads of potential but has accomplished nothing at the big league level....rollins has so much more worth then rauch right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 We've had several posts saying if we gave up Rauch, it would be too much. Baggs says the Phillies wouldn't make this deal. It sounds like a possibility to me, since it seems to be pretty even from the perspective that both sides would hate to give up that kind of quality. YAS..the difference is rollins is now a proven commodity...rauch is still a guy that has loads of potential but has accomplished nothing at the big league level....rollins has so much more worth then rauch right now I understand the Rollins has proven himself. But if the Phillies scouts are really high on Rauch, and you have to remember, they only have Millwood for one year, they just might do this. As the old saying goes... You can never have enough pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 We've had several posts saying if we gave up Rauch, it would be too much. Baggs says the Phillies wouldn't make this deal. It sounds like a possibility to me, since it seems to be pretty even from the perspective that both sides would hate to give up that kind of quality. YAS..the difference is rollins is now a proven commodity...rauch is still a guy that has loads of potential but has accomplished nothing at the big league level....rollins has so much more worth then rauch right now I understand the Rollins has proven himself. But if the Phillies scouts are really high on Rauch, and you have to remember, they only have Millwood for one year, they just might do this. As the old saying goes... You can never have enough pitching. do you think its a good deal for either team...ive heard of win -win trades...this looks like a lose -break even trade at best to me...if we were still in rebuild mode id be more open to it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 We've had several posts saying if we gave up Rauch, it would be too much. Baggs says the Phillies wouldn't make this deal. It sounds like a possibility to me, since it seems to be pretty even from the perspective that both sides would hate to give up that kind of quality. YAS..the difference is rollins is now a proven commodity...rauch is still a guy that has loads of potential but has accomplished nothing at the big league level....rollins has so much more worth then rauch right now I understand the Rollins has proven himself. But if the Phillies scouts are really high on Rauch, and you have to remember, they only have Millwood for one year, they just might do this. As the old saying goes... You can never have enough pitching. do you think its a good deal for either team...ive heard of win -win trades...this looks like a lose -break even trade at best to me...if we were still in rebuild mode id be more open to it.. I look at it this way .... We can get a young proven quality shortstop that will hold down the position for years. Rauch may become an ace, but we seem to have a lot of quality arms in the pipeline. It just might pay us to do this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 i would agree with that 100% if we wernt in this situation with colon??...are we going to resign him or is this a one year deal???... if this is really this teams best shot at a world series then i wouldnt make the trade because i think we need valentin to win it this year..plus rauch might very well be the best 5th option...valentin's the only left handed power hitter in the line up and his intangables speak for themselves.. now if i knew we were going to resign colon to like a 4 year deal and we would have him and buehrle anchoring the staff for the next half decade then id really consider making the trade...i guess it comes down to what future tack this franchise decides to take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Who the hell is that obese pitcher in your avatar, DaSoxrox? -Wsc425- I'm guessing its a sumo from Japan. He's either a famous sumo wrestler throwing out an opening day pitch or he's one of KW's latest prospects lurking somewhere in his own "area 51"....stay tuned.... he looks bigger than colon and d wells put together.......could possibly be a kw prospect... we know he likes those big guys on the mound thats for sure............ I like this guys capabities, 2-9, 45.00 era, sounds like a KW guy. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 He's either a famous sumo wrestler throwing out an opening day pitch or he's one of KW's latest prospects lurking somewhere in his own "area 51"....stay tuned.... Just by standing there he strengthens our defense up the middle - what could get by him? - so I say we sign him now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 As the old saying goes... You can never have enough pitching. which is why I do not give up Rauch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I don't like this trade for a few reasons: 1) I don't like the idea of the Sox starting the season with a 75% new infield, including two people (Jimenez and Crede) who have yet to play an entire season in the majors. 2) I'm not sure I'd trade Rollins for Jose straight up, not to mention throwing in our best pitching prospect (arguably). Sure, Jose's defense is pretty bad, but he plays hard, he can hit, and he can play a number of different positions. Rollins had a great rookie season, but was a disappointment last year, so the only things I give him an edge over Jose on are base stealing, which I don't think is necessary to win, and defense. Is trading one of your only reliable left-handed bats, plus your best pitching prospect worth getting a defensive upgrade? 3) I don't think Rollins puts the Sox over the top. At this point, any moves KW makes that give up potential future stars should be focused entirely on getting players that clearly put the Sox in a position to really do something this year Get a CF who can bat leadoff for Rauch, or a proven left-handed starter, but don't waste him on upgrading your defense at the expense of run production at one position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 If we get Rollins, how do we keep him away from Frank's ex-wife and girlfriend du jour? PS. I don't like the trade. We have to throw guys like Rauch into the fire to see what they have before we trade them. Every team in the bigs would love to have Rauch. We should get something more than a shortstop with Royce Klayton numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Rauch isn't going anywhere. The Sox are most likely going to be without Colon after next season (unless Reinsdorf pulls the dildo out of his ass). There's no way we should trade our best pitching prospect AND Valentin to get Rollins. I say keep what we got... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Rauch isn't going anywhere. The Sox are most likely going to be without Colon after next season (unless Reinsdorf pulls the dildo out of his ass). There's no way we should trade our best pitching prospect AND Valentin to get Rollins. I say keep what we got... I am gonna be heartbroken if we don't re-sign Bartolo......... reallllllly heartbroken..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Rauch isn't going anywhere. The Sox are most likely going to be without Colon after next season (unless Reinsdorf pulls the dildo out of his ass). There's no way we should trade our best pitching prospect AND Valentin to get Rollins. I say keep what we got... not to mention that kw loves jose almost as much as he loves lee.... so i dont see jose going anywhere unless hes holding lees hand out the door....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Rauch isn't going anywhere. The Sox are most likely going to be without Colon after next season (unless Reinsdorf pulls the dildo out of his ass). There's no way we should trade our best pitching prospect AND Valentin to get Rollins. I say keep what we got... not to mention that kw loves jose almost as much as he loves lee.... so i dont see jose going anywhere unless hes holding lees hand out the door....... Just heard on the radio that the white sox organization says Jose isnt going anywhere and that he is not a subject to any trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I think it stinks that we aren't moving Jose, but I'm glad we aren't moving Rauch. I'd like to package Jose and someone though for either a 2nd baseman or shortstop that could hit at the top of the order or in the 2 hole with Jimenez in the other slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 I think it stinks that we aren't moving Jose, but I'm glad we aren't moving Rauch. Can we move you instead of Jose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Jason stays, Jose goes (I love Jason's thoughts about packaging Jose for players we can use). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Jason stays, Jose goes (I love Jason's thoughts about packaging Jose for players we can use). Jose is in the last year of his contract. If the team is done in June, he'll be moved, if not then they ride it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Jason stays, Jose goes (I love Jason's thoughts about packaging Jose for players we can use). Jose is in the last year of his contract. If the team is done in June, he'll be moved, if not then they ride it out. I know we won't move Manos, but there is nothing I'd rather do then package him with Josh Stewart or another prospect to bring in a quality - to - very good 2nd baseman or short stop. I'd do that deal for Rollins or Luis Castillo (Marlins wouldn't do it I don't think) Jose is really hard to move, considering his ridiculous salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcginnis Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 i think that this trade would bennefit us if we gave up lee and ginter or jose and ginter but i would do everything possiable to not give up rauch. he is a great pitching prospect and we gave two of those away for practically nothing last year. lee could be filled with daubach or rowand if you move harris to cf please post your thoughts on this idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 i think that this trade would bennefit us if we gave up lee and ginter or jose and ginter but i would do everything possiable to not give up rauch. he is a great pitching prospect and we gave two of those away for practically nothing last year. lee could be filled with daubach or rowand if you move harris to cf please post your thoughts on this idea. Welcome Aboard Mcginnis. I think almost every here will agree with you on that statement. If they give up Jose and any of our 2nd level pitching prospects, they would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 mcginnis....the Phillies have no use for Lee whatsoever.....unless he pitches or if he plays 2B....LMAO. They have Burrell in LF and Thome at 1B....and for what it's worth, Abreu in RF and Bell at 3B. They don't want Lee and his overpriced ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 i would agree with that 100% if we wernt in this situation with colon??...are we going to resign him or is this a one year deal???... if this is really this teams best shot at a world series then i wouldnt make the trade because i think we need valentin to win it this year..plus rauch might very well be the best 5th option...valentin's the only left handed power hitter in the line up and his intangables speak for themselves.. now if i knew we were going to resign colon to like a 4 year deal and we would have him and buehrle anchoring the staff for the next half decade then id really consider making the trade...i guess it comes down to what future tack this franchise decides to take The unspoken intangible here is... what do the Sox scouting people think about Rollins, and do they know something about Rauch that would make him have less value later than he does now. Rollins' numbers dropped last year.... sophomore slump or the beginning of a trend? Either way, I don't think of this guy as another Clayton. But, after considering everything at this point, I would not make this deal. If Colon is a one shot deal, we need JV now and will need Rauch later. If they feel the need to acquire a SS of the future, then they know they screwed up on Harris and/or Jiminez. And I'm not sure they will dish out the bucks to keep Colon here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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