SoxAce Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Cotts has to get the 5th starter's job. I know he's gonna pitch well there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 Rauch got hurt, case closed. He'll never be what everyone once expected him to be. Prospects get these projections when they are really young and when they don't meet them its turned into how big of bums they are You don't need to sell me on the "most prospects don't pan out" because such fundamental concept goes without saying. I do wonder just what makes Diaz more suited for ML job than Rauch. The Jon at least was once a great ML pitcher who when healthy made Minnesota hitters silly. Diaz has had a good mL career so far, but I fail to see how he is better. He had a great outing 2 days ago. But will it be enough for a 4.25-4.50 ERA in the majors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Cotts has to get the 5th starter's job. I know he's gonna pitch well there. Because he came out of the bullpen today for 2.1 innings and gives up 1 hit and zero runs he deserves a starter spot? Last year when Cotts imploded in New York Wright shut out the mid season-form Yanks for 7 innings. On another occasion last summer he pitched 7 innings for a save (don't see that too many times these days). Both Cotts and Wright are better suited in the bullpen. Until a viable substitue is found I would let Wright continue in the 5th spot because he has proven himself as a starter. (Atleast in 2002......) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 You don't need to sell me on the "most prospects don't pan out" because such fundamental concept goes without saying. I do wonder just what makes Diaz more suited for ML job than Rauch. The Jon at least was once a great ML pitcher who when healthy made Minnesota hitters silly. Diaz has had a good mL career so far, but I fail to see how he is better. He had a great outing 2 days ago. But will it be enough for a 4.25-4.50 ERA in the majors? Who knows, if people new that their wouldn't be much guessing in baseball. That person would be superior to any GM in baseball as well as any scout in baseball. Thats what makes it so hard. You just want to get as many quality players as you can so the odds are better that you get some really good players to develop. The other hard thing is, the Sox haven't had any incredibly high picks to get a guy like Prior, Mauer, or a Jared Weaver (This year's almost guarantee #1) so it puts you in a position where you really have to scout well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Because he came out of the bullpen today for 2.1 innings and gives up 1 hit and zero runs he deserves a starter spot? Last year when Cotts imploded in New York Wright shut out the mid season-form Yanks for 7 innings. On another occasion last summer he pitched 7 innings for a save (don't see that too many times these days). Both Cotts and Wright are better suited in the bullpen. Until a viable substitue is found I would let Wright continue in the 5th spot because he has proven himself as a starter. (Atleast in 2002......) You are so wrong. First of all, I didn't see most of the game because I was at a Easter banquet, but I saw Cotts stat line and read what he did. Don't you see, his control was absolutely on point. No I'm not saying it cause he did well today, but when he "imploded" last year, that was when he was wild in the strike zone and he was just learning ho to pitch, plus how Manuel handled the situation. Now that Ozzie is manager, Cotts is going to be more comfortable in games as far as knowing Ozzie has faith in him. Cotts is going to be a staller starter no way he deserves to be in the pen I can't believe you can even think that. Danny Wrong is another story because he has bullpen like stuff. He can only last 3-4 innings if that which he proved today. In 2002, ok he won 14 games tell me what was his era? in the 5's I do believe. I don't care if he pitched well in the second half or not, his "stuff" didn't impress me then and it doesn't now. He gives up way too many hrs to be a starter at all. He reminds me alot of Latroy Hawkins. Absolutely dreadful as a starter but pretty decent in the pen. I think it's best for him to be in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Its a different mindset upon a pitcher to start a game. Cotts failed in New York because he couldn't take the pressure, which translated into his wildness; not because of Jerry Manuel. Why take a pitcher out of role which he succeeds in? If Cotts pitches well as a long reliever then you better keep his ass in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Its a different mindset upon a pitcher to start a game. Cotts failed in New York because he couldn't take the pressure, which translated into his wildness; not because of Jerry Manuel. Why take a pitcher out of role which he succeeds in? If Cotts pitches well as a long reliever then you better keep his ass in that role. Billy Botch's role was meant to be a jock strap washer but they are still trying to make him into a closer. Come on now Oz. Give him his scrub brush and let him get back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Its a different mindset upon a pitcher to start a game. Cotts failed in New York because he couldn't take the pressure, which translated into his wildness Or because he just couldn't locate his pitches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Or it was because it was like his 4th start and he hadn't even pitched as high as AAA yet. Geeze, some people expect someone to come up and be Randy Johnson or Greg Maddux from the get go. It doesn't happen, pitchers still have to develop as they are up, every player does. You aren't just bam ready to produce, unless your name is Albert Pujols or Dontrell or Brandon Webb. Its very rare. If anyone is going to right off a young pitcher that made only 4 major league starts and only spent part of a season in AA and freaking dominated then all I'm going to say is its stupid. It was a given he had things to work on and his control is much better thus far this year then it was last year. Most importantly, his curveball is looking way better then it ever had. Him developing a third pitch is a huge key, plus he has the cutter as well (4th pitch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Or it was because it was like his 4th start and he hadn't even pitched as high as AAA yet. Geeze, some people expect someone to come up and be Randy Johnson or Greg Maddux from the get go. It doesn't happen, pitchers still have to develop as they are up, every player does. You aren't just bam ready to produce, unless your name is Albert Pujols or Dontrell or Brandon Webb. Its very rare. If anyone is going to right off a young pitcher that made only 4 major league starts and only spent part of a season in AA and freaking dominated then all I'm going to say is its stupid. It was a given he had things to work on and his control is much better thus far this year then it was last year. Most importantly, his curveball is looking way better then it ever had. Him developing a third pitch is a huge key, plus he has the cutter as well (4th pitch). I'm not questioning his development from last season. What I'm wondering is rather you feel he should be platooned in the 5th starters spot. As of right now I feel he should be kept in the long relief role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Right now I think is too early to make any moves. Wright kept the Sox in the game against one of hte most explosive offense in the majors. I realize the Yanks offense has struggled thus far, but that is still an incredibly difficult lineup to navigate through. Bottomline, the team was in the game and thats all I can ask from my 5th starter. In fact, I think Wright is capable of going out and shutting a team down a few games, which is something you can't say about a lot of 5th starters. As a whole, if your back end starter keeps you in the games, then thats enough for me. Right now I keep Cotts in the pen to help ease his transition to the majors. I want to see him get consistent innings. Now if after 4 starts from Scho or Wright, we see that one has just been awful (hopefully both aren't) and Cotts has pitched good, then I'd make the switch. Until then, I say leave things the way they are. One thing I've learned as I watch baseball more and more is, people have to be patient. Sometimes people are way too patient, but most of the time they are too impatient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 I'd support trading Wright except for the fact some team would turn him into a closer like Biddle in Montreal. Good thing we already have a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 . What I'm wondering is rather you feel he should be platooned in the 5th starters spot. Excellent idea, Tizzle. I think we could use Cotts against lefties and Danny against righties. Or is it vice versa? Seriously though....from what I've seen his pitching so far this year, I am pleasantly surprised. Not sure how that would translate to rotation perfomance, but anything could better that the meatballs Danny was lobbing there -- Bubba, Sheffield -- literally batting practice on hitter friendly counts, no less..... :puke So um yeah.....Go Neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Stop yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 Does anyone know if Wright's velocity and movement was back during spring training? At his most successful (late 2002), Danny was consisently in the 92-94 zone with two types of movement. I remember him making Delgado look silly on just a fastball. No it seems he has to rely on that subpar change-up more -- Bubba burned him on a 3-1 batting practice floater in the wheelhouse -- Wright telegraphed it too. Is he completely healthy from the elbow ailment is what I am saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Seriously though....Cotts may jam the gaydar alright, I'm sure Neal will enjoy reading (or hearing about) this about himself... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Does anyone know if Wright's velocity and movement was back during spring training? At his most successful (late 2002), Danny was consisently in the 92-94 zone with two types of movement. I remember him making Delgado look silly on just a fastball. No it seems he has to rely on that subpar change-up more -- Bubba burned him on a 3-1 batting practice floater in the wheelhouse -- Wright telegraphed it too. Is he completely healthy from the elbow ailment is what I am saying? During a spring traning game in which Wright was pitching, KW was in the booth with Hawk and DJ. He said Wright lost velocity on his fastball due to a new delivery in which he could "control" his pitches. I swear I've seen Wright hit 95 consistently over the last few years, and yesterday he was around 92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 During a spring traning game in which Wright was pitching, KW was in the booth with Hawk and DJ. He said Wright lost velocity on his fastball due to a new delivery in which he could "control" his pitches. I swear I've seen Wright hit 95 consistently over the last few years, and yesterday he was around 92. Yes, Danny's plan this offseason was to sacrifice velocity for control. It looks like he has neither now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 I'm sure Neal will enjoy reading (or hearing about) this about himself... :headshake Hey, I thought I'd reference Heather Lee's wonderful sig once more. Good times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Hey, I thought I'd reference Heather Lee's wonderful sig once more. Good times! If nothing else.. ignorant is a good description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 During a spring traning game in which Wright was pitching, KW was in the booth with Hawk and DJ. He said Wright lost velocity on his fastball due to a new delivery in which he could "control" his pitches. I swear I've seen Wright hit 95 consistently over the last few years, and yesterday he was around 92. I was sitting right behind home yesterday, and Wright had good movement. He was busting bats left and right. It was a little cold and he hasn't pitched in a while, that could have affected his command. All in all, he didn't have a bad outing. If they give him the ball every fifth day, he will do just fine. If his starts are going to be infrequent and inconsistent, they should move him to the bullpen, where I think he could really excel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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