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[Soxbadger]

Brandofan,

 

You are just an extreme doomsayer.

 

I can not remember when you have said one positive thing about the White Sox, and I guess I am just tired of your defeatist attitude saying the Sox can't and won't, especially as the season is only 6 games old.

 

First of all your argument centers around the fact that Rowand, Everrett, and Sullivan would of combined to win the Sox the division:

 

Everrett:

 

2003 CWS 73 256 40 77 14 0 10 41 22 36 4 3 .301 .377 .473 .850

 

Alomar:

 

2003 CWS 67 253 42 64 11 1 3 17 30 37 6 2 .253 .330 .340 .670

 

Sullivan:

 

2003 CWS 15 0 0 0 14.1 9 6 6 2 6 13 0 0 0 2 -- 3.77

 

The White Sox were:

 

Chicago White Sox AL C 86 76 .531 4.0

 

Thats 4 games back, in one additional month we were going to gain 4 games?

 

The White Sox were in first place last year, and it was with the additions of Sullivan, Alomar, and Everrett, that team got beat by the Twins.

 

It wasnt Jiminez, it wasnt Rowand, Alomar was our 2b and Everett CF when we lost to the Twins when we were in first place. If they were such a good team they would of got it done in September.

 

They were tired? The Twins made the same comeback and only added Shannon Stewart, they had a better record than the Sox after the All-Star break, and against the Sox they did not have a meltdown because they were to tired. If our players were not in good enough physical condition perhaps they were not as good of players we thought?

 

You keep comparing us to the Yankees, when there is no other Yankees. Not even the Red Sox can compete with them in terms of spending, so there is no other team that can foolishly fix their problems with money. I would rather be a $70mil salary with potential than a $90 mil team that is locked into huge contracts. The White Sox will never be able to fix their problems with money until we get a new owner, and even then unless we get a Snyder, Steinbrenner, Jones, we are still going to be bound to an average to above average player salary.

 

I mean sure, the White Sox would probably be favorites had they signed a bunch of free agents, but we have been down that road, and they always seem to pick the wrong players. Right now the Sox might as well take a new approach and see if they can get the right mix in the beginning and then address their needs at the All-Star break when you can trade unfufilled potential for great players on the cheap.

 

Last year everyone was so pissed at the prospects the White Sox gave up, now if only we would of gotten them sooner, which would of meant costing us even more in terms of money or talent.

 

There is no rhyme or reason to your arguments except for:

 

Money will buy a championship.

 

Yeah well, we are bound in reality where money cant just be found, and companies need to have money to spend money. The Yankees have the YES network, they make millions off of that. The Red Sox sell out every game at $125 a ticket.

 

But the White Sox who do not sell out, do not have a tv network, and do not even make as much as the Cubs, should spend like the Yankees.

 

The White Sox have a good team, and right now they are a very respectable 3-3. Do I wish they could be 6-0? Sure, but hey they could be 0-6, so 3-3 is not anything to be jumping off a cliff over.They will come home, and if they can get on a roll who knows, around All-Star break we could in first place.

 

And then we will have options, if Harris is really playing well and Jose is slumping maybe we will want to trade for a SS, or it could be the reverse. By then we will know how many pitchers we have, and if we need to add another reliver, etc.

 

::Shrugs::

 

It may not be the, lets spend $200 mil to win the World Series, but atleast it will give you a chance every single year, unlike if the White Sox were to lose with a $200mil payroll, and then unlike the Yankees they wont be able to spend that much again.

 

SB

[1549]

Its kind of sad that our leadoff hitter makes less than A-Rods left nut.

[1549]

Brandofan,

 

You are just an extreme doomsayer.

 

I can not remember when you have said one positive thing about the White Sox, and I guess I am just tired of your defeatist attitude saying the Sox can't and won't, especially as the season is only 6 games old.

 

First of all your argument centers around the fact that Rowand, Everrett, and Sullivan would of combined to win the Sox the division:

 

Everrett:

 

2003 CWS 73 256 40 77 14 0 10 41 22 36 4 3 .301 .377 .473 .850

 

Alomar:

 

2003 CWS 67 253 42 64 11 1 3 17 30 37 6 2 .253 .330 .340 .670

 

Sullivan:

 

2003 CWS 15 0 0 0 14.1 9 6 6 2 6 13 0 0 0 2 -- 3.77

 

The White Sox were:

 

Chicago White Sox AL C 86 76 .531 4.0

 

Thats 4 games back, in one additional month we were going to gain 4 games?

 

The White Sox were in first place last year, and it was with the additions of Sullivan, Alomar, and Everrett, that team got beat by the Twins.

 

It wasnt Jiminez, it wasnt Rowand, Alomar was our 2b and Everett CF when we lost to the Twins when we were in first place. If they were such a good team they would of got it done in September.

 

They were tired? The Twins made the same comeback and only added Shannon Stewart, they had a better record than the Sox after the All-Star break, and against the Sox they did not have a meltdown because they were to tired. If our players were not in good enough physical condition perhaps they were not as good of players we thought?

 

You keep comparing us to the Yankees, when there is no other Yankees. Not even the Red Sox can compete with them in terms of spending, so there is no other team that can foolishly fix their problems with money. I would rather be a $70mil salary with potential than a $90 mil team that is locked into huge contracts. The White Sox will never be able to fix their problems with money until we get a new owner, and even then unless we get a Snyder, Steinbrenner, Jones, we are still going to be bound to an average to above average player salary.

 

I mean sure, the White Sox would probably be favorites had they signed a bunch of free agents, but we have been down that road, and they always seem to pick the wrong players. Right now the Sox might as well take a new approach and see if they can get the right mix in the beginning and then address their needs at the All-Star break when you can trade unfufilled potential for great players on the cheap.

 

Last year everyone was so pissed at the prospects the White Sox gave up, now if only we would of gotten them sooner, which would of meant costing us even more in terms of money or talent.

 

There is no rhyme or reason to your arguments except for:

 

Money will buy a championship.

 

Yeah well, we are bound in reality where money cant just be found, and companies need to have money to spend money. The Yankees have the YES network, they make millions off of that. The Red Sox sell out every game at $125 a ticket.

 

But the White Sox who do not sell out, do not have a tv network, and do not even make as much as the Cubs, should spend like the Yankees.

 

The White Sox have a good team, and right now they are a very respectable 3-3. Do I wish they could be 6-0? Sure, but hey they could be 0-6, so 3-3 is not anything to be jumping off a cliff over.They will come home, and if they can get on a roll who knows, around All-Star break we could in first place.

 

And then we will have options, if Harris is really playing well and Jose is slumping maybe we will want to trade for a SS, or it could be the reverse. By then we will know how many pitchers we have, and if we need to add another reliver, etc.

 

::Shrugs::

 

It may not be the, lets spend $200 mil to win the World Series, but atleast it will give you a chance every single year, unlike if the White Sox were to lose with a $200mil payroll, and then unlike the Yankees they wont be able to spend that much again.

 

SB

If you are suggesting that Everett, and Alomar are the reason the Sox did not win the division...that is just stupid.

[Soxbadger]

That is the exact opposite of my post.

 

I am saying that even if we had gotten them 1 month earlier, it is unlikely it would of improved us a full 4 games, and prevented the collapse we experienced against the Twins.

 

 

SB

[1549]

That is the exact opposite of my post.

 

I am saying that even if we had gotten them 1 month earlier, it is unlikely it would of improved us a full 4 games, and prevented the collapse we experienced against the Twins.

 

 

SB

my bad

[BrandoFan]

Brandofan,

 

You are just an extreme doomsayer.

 

I can not remember when you have said one positive thing about the White Sox, and I guess I am just tired of your defeatist attitude saying the Sox can't and won't, especially as the season is only 6 games old.

 

First of all your argument centers around the fact that Rowand, Everrett, and Sullivan would of combined to win the Sox the division:

 

Everrett:

 

2003 CWS 73 256 40 77 14 0 10 41 22 36 4 3 .301 .377 .473 .850

 

Alomar:

 

2003 CWS 67 253 42 64 11 1 3 17 30 37 6 2 .253 .330 .340 .670

 

Sullivan:

 

2003 CWS 15 0 0 0 14.1 9 6 6 2 6 13 0 0 0 2 -- 3.77

 

The White Sox were:

 

Chicago White Sox AL C 86 76 .531 4.0

 

Thats 4 games back, in one additional month we were going to gain 4 games?

 

The White Sox were in first place last year, and it was with the additions of Sullivan, Alomar, and Everrett, that team got beat by the Twins.

 

It wasnt Jiminez, it wasnt Rowand, Alomar was our 2b and Everett CF when we lost to the Twins when we were in first place. If they were such a good team they would of got it done in September.

 

They were tired? The Twins made the same comeback and only added Shannon Stewart, they had a better record than the Sox after the All-Star break, and against the Sox they did not have a meltdown because they were to tired. If our players were not in good enough physical condition perhaps they were not as good of players we thought?

 

You keep comparing us to the Yankees, when there is no other Yankees. Not even the Red Sox can compete with them in terms of spending, so there is no other team that can foolishly fix their problems with money. I would rather be a $70mil salary with potential than a $90 mil team that is locked into huge contracts. The White Sox will never be able to fix their problems with money until we get a new owner, and even then unless we get a Snyder, Steinbrenner, Jones, we are still going to be bound to an average to above average player salary.

 

I mean sure, the White Sox would probably be favorites had they signed a bunch of free agents, but we have been down that road, and they always seem to pick the wrong players. Right now the Sox might as well take a new approach and see if they can get the right mix in the beginning and then address their needs at the All-Star break when you can trade unfufilled potential for great players on the cheap.

 

Last year everyone was so pissed at the prospects the White Sox gave up, now if only we would of gotten them sooner, which would of meant costing us even more in terms of money or talent.

 

There is no rhyme or reason to your arguments except for:

 

Money will buy a championship.

 

Yeah well, we are bound in reality where money cant just be found, and companies need to have money to spend money. The Yankees have the YES network, they make millions off of that. The Red Sox sell out every game at $125 a ticket.

 

But the White Sox who do not sell out, do not have a tv network, and do not even make as much as the Cubs, should spend like the Yankees.

 

The White Sox have a good team, and right now they are a very respectable 3-3. Do I wish they could be 6-0? Sure, but hey they could be 0-6, so 3-3 is not anything to be jumping off a cliff over.They will come home, and if they can get on a roll who knows, around All-Star break we could in first place.

 

And then we will have options, if Harris is really playing well and Jose is slumping maybe we will want to trade for a SS, or it could be the reverse. By then we will know how many pitchers we have, and if we need to add another reliver, etc.

 

::Shrugs::

 

It may not be the, lets spend $200 mil to win the World Series, but atleast it will give you a chance every single year, unlike if the White Sox were to lose with a $200mil payroll, and then unlike the Yankees they wont be able to spend that much again.

 

SB

You literally missed half the points/arguement I was making. There is no use carrying this on.

 

Oh and Sox finished 4 games behind is very misleading -- they were 2 games AHEAD with 2 weeks left in the season. A swing of just 2 more games (meaning the lead is 4 instead of 2) would have likely made all the difference in the world as it would have made Twins more desperate to win at least 4 of the remaining 5 head to head matches -- I've seen it happen in pennant races all the time.......And it's my contention that the lead wouldn't be just 4 games but more along the lines of 7-8 had the necessary (and cheap, too, so you might as well knock that silly "but Sox are not Yankees" s***) moves been made back in May. You disagree, fine.

 

I am a pessimistic doomsayer, blablablblacakes....How many wins did YOU predict this year, badger?

[da_bears86]

11. Jerry Hairston 1,650,000

12. Vic Darensbourg 1,400,000

 

 

who r these two? and y r they paid so damn much?

[Soxbadger]

Brandofan,

 

Your argument already has fallen apart because now you are relying on the fact that attaining these players earlier would of some ensured that we were 4 games ahead, and even more threatening to the argument is you assume that 4 games back instead of 2 would of been insurmountable by the Twins, who as long as they played as good as they did last year still would of tied us.

 

We had a 2 game lead, it was the White Sox who choked.

 

It was the very players you say would of lead us to victory that could not even beat the Twins head up. We had to play the Yankees, the Twins, the Royals, while the Twins played Detroit.

 

The reality is, we could of lost the division by more games, just as easily as we could of tied or won it.

 

You have failed to give me any sort of this amount of spending= this amount of wins, because there is no magic number.

 

You have failed to recognize that there are plenty of teams that outspend the Sox and have finished worse, you have failed to even touch on the subject that some times spending money could result in even more failure, Jamie Navarro.

 

Your whole argument rests on, the White Sox may have won 2 more games had they gained these players earlier, and the Twins may have done worse. Thats two almost completely independent variables. Also you have failed to even try and explain the economic aspects of your plan, and how you would bounce back from failure, because there was a possibility that regardless of how well the Sox played and who they acquired they still might of lost to the Twins. Also there is some point where we were going to lose talent in the equation, unless you are saying that we should of up front bought more talent...

 

Which then would of relied on the fact during the offseason we knew we were going to eventually trade for Colon, and have a realistic chance at the AL Central...

 

Also, you dont need to quote my entire post, I understand that your responding to me.

 

SB

[YASNY]

Both of you guys make good points. The thing is that you don't know what is going to happen until you put that talent/money on the field. I will say this much, though. The Sox lost the division in 2003 for the failure of upper management to turn loose of $1 million more than they had shown a willingness to spend.

[BrandoFan]

Both of you guys make good points.  The thing is that you don't know what is going to happen until you put that talent/money on the field.  I will say this much, though.  The Sox lost the division in 2003 for the failure of upper management to turn loose of $1 million more than they had shown a willingness to spend.

As bad as 2002 was, at least we could blame Hurt's tricept tear and Ritchigate; afterall Twins had a good team, with Mays, Hunter and literally half the team busting out for career years....Sox rolled over and died, it was sad but tolerable.

 

2003 on the other hand....a year that had ALL the making of going down as one of the most memorable in franchise history.....It was a disgrace, a spit in Sox fans' collective face.

 

50 Mill on OD......:headshake :puke

 

 

[/belaboring the point that needs to be seared on Chairman's slanted forehead]