moochpuppy Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 This 6-3 start is better than what I thought they would do but I'm very nervous about how the pitching has been. I know the Sox offense is stellar but they can't keep up this pace and won't be able to bail out the pitching day in and day out. BTW, Fartolo has a 0.64 ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Yeah, the pitching has been making me nervous as of late. It seems that either the starters are on or the relief is on, but they can't seem to both be on for the same game. Hopefully they are just shaking off some rust... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsoxs1 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Sure the pitching has been suspect at times but it also has been good. Yesterday Marte and Jackson had solid outings. Garland and Burhele have had good and bad outings. As long as we keep winning now, I think we will be fine. Cause if we still start hitting and are pitching is consistent we will be a force in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Well I am a bit more concerned now with the starting pitching but I still think Buehrle and Loaiza will be fine too. Garland, Wright and Schoney still make me concerned. The bullpen seems to be improving. I am comfortable will Jackson, Politte, Marte and Wunsch. Haven't seen enough of Takatsu to really make a judgement. He gave up a 2 run shot in NY but then got the next 3 out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I think the first 3 series were hard because of the line-ups faced. I think NY and KC are top 5 line-ups, so since we won 6 out of 9 of those I feel OK. Espically since only 3 were at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 The sox, right now, are a top 5 team in the entire league, while I don't think they'll continue pulling out these miracle wins, they are going to be very good for a very long time this season, I'm not worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 If I remember correctly, as a GENERAL rule, the first month of the season or so usually belongs to hitters, as most pitchers take longer to get into game shape than hitters do. After the first month, it's a pitchers league thru mid-August, when pitchers start tiring a bit, all the hitters have seen them at least once, and then hitters have the advantage for the rest of the regular season. I read this somewhere, and whoever wrote it backed it up with some solid numbers, plus it makes logical sense. Wish I could remember where I saw it though. In any case, my point was that Buehrle, Loaiza, Edelweiss, Garland, et al should get sharper over the next month and a half, as Juan Uribe cools off from an 8 for 11? 9 for 12? start. The fact that most of our pitchers haven't been all that bad up to this point, while facing arguably the two best lineups in the AL, gives me a lot more optimism about the staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 BTW ghost, was Sammy's hair on roids in your avitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Not nervous. Starters are going to do well, I think. Wright will shape up, maybe even Shoenweis. Things are going to be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 FYI: Diaz and Rauch have pitched well for Charlotte, especially Diaz. Diaz is 2-0 and has allowed 4 hits in 13 innings with 10 Ks and one walk. No homers either. We will see Mr. Diaz in Chicago -- sooner, not later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I am all for seeing Diaz. Maybe the rotation will end up being Buehrle, Loaiza, Garland, Cotts and Diaz. Putting Schoney and Wright back to the pen respectively. I would like the pen and starting staff much more with those moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 BTW ghost, was Sammy's hair on roids in your avitar? Yes, Sammy's hair was on roids. The rest of his body caught up to it around 1997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I am all for seeing Diaz. Maybe the rotation will end up being Buehrle, Loaiza, Garland, Cotts and Diaz. Putting Schoney and Wright back to the pen respectively. I would like the pen and starting staff much more with those moves. That I would not mind, except for the two youngsters in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 This 6-3 start is better than what I thought they would do but I'm very nervous about how the pitching has been. I know the Sox offense is stellar but they can't keep up this pace and won't be able to bail out the pitching day in and day out. BTW, Fartolo has a 0.64 ERA. Am I pissed that we let Colon go for nothing? Sure am. But I think we're gonna be ok. Much like 2000 the bats are there, save for the Big Skirt, to bail out the starters whenever they get into trouble. This should be an entertaining season and a winning one also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 hey, we'll get one or two draft picks for the Big Fart -- and he didn't do enough to deserve a four-year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 hey, we'll get one or two draft picks for the Big Fart -- and he didn't do enough to deserve a four-year deal. Nah, he was only money when we needed him, won 15 games with a lackluster offense and sucked up big time innings. We dont need anybody like that starting for THIS team do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I aint never scared, I aint never scared, I aint never scared, I aint never scared, I aint never scared, I aint never scared, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Nah, he was only money when we needed him, won 15 games with a lackluster offense and sucked up big time innings. We dont need anybody like that starting for THIS team do we. No kidding... 242 innings pitched.. we'll make that up easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 let's see if the physical fitness nut is healthy to pitch 200-plus innings for all FOUR years of his deal. My guess: No way. Didn't say he wasn't a good pitcher. Said he wasn't worth a four-year investment, considering his age, how many innings he has already thrown and his total lack of attention to conditioning. that's all. It's a business, not Little League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 After watching this team for the last 3 years, how can anybody in their right mind NOT get nervous at some point. I'll breath a sigh of relief when we are at least 7-8 up on the dwindling Twins/Royals. I think Sox fans haven't earned the right to be arrogant about this team just yet. Coming off 2000, Sox couldn't go anywhere but UP and it was great. Since 2001? Not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 After watching this team for the last 3 years, how can anybody in their right mind NOT get nervous at some point. I'll breath a sigh of relief when we are at least 7-8 up on the dwindling Twins/Royals. I think Sox fans haven't earned the right to be arrogant about this team just yet. Coming off 2000, Sox couldn't go anywhere but UP and it was great. Since 2001? Not so much. But being arrogant is so much FUN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 After watching this team for the last 3 years, how can anybody in their right mind NOT get nervous at some point. I'll breath a sigh of relief when we are at least 7-8 up on the dwindling Twins/Royals. I think Sox fans haven't earned the right to be arrogant about this team just yet. Coming off 2000, Sox couldn't go anywhere but UP and it was great. Since 2001? Not so much. Being optimistic isn't being arrogant. Letting things play out isn't being arrogant. I'm just trying to be patient with this team - I won't be nervous about this team until some other team starts pulling away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I like what I've seen from Garland, E-Lo, Shoe and Buerhle actually. I think our problem with pitching is part managerial. It just seems that Ozzie hasn't learned to read our pitchers as well as he could. Garland's last outing, for example. It seemed like he pitched 6 very good innings, giving up just 2 runs. In the seventh he seemed tired, getting behind in counts and the only strikes he was throwing were getmeovers. I don't think Ozzie read JG until the damage was done and it was 6-5. Shoe recovered from a tough first inning in NY to pitch five solid ones against a very good Yankees squad. He'll be fine. Wright, I'm concerned about. He's getting behind nearly every at-bat, and making simple mistakes, maybe his spot isn't in the starting rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I'm concerned about the #5 starter spot, and a little concerned about the #4 spot too. I think bullpen depth can be added, and maybe a real good 2Bman or CFer, but right now, I am happy with our team and the way it's been playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Being optimistic isn't being arrogant. Letting things play out isn't being arrogant. I'm just trying to be patient with this team - I won't be nervous about this team until some other team starts pulling away. You don't need to sell me on the virtues of optimism; go back to the off-season prediction thread and see how many games I was looking forward to Sox winning. And then see how many wins my detractors were predicting. Enough said. But arrogance about the team is just that. Sox have done jack s*** in the last 4 years (since June 2000) when it mattered; there was always a slew of excuses and "mitigating" factors. So pardon me if I actually expect something out of Harris, Rowand, Crede, Wright and Koch...RIGHT NOW and not tomorrow. There is no excuse for not taking 2 out of 3 this series in Tampa. If Sox can't beat Paul Abbott and Victor Zambrano in April what chance to they stand of beating Shilling and Pedro in October? Yankees have earned the right to a slow start; Sox HAVEN'T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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